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bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 8:55:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace?

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 9:13:35 AM)
Full disclosure - I was not too familiar with Breeland before he came here … but if you read up on him the book says he’s just okay in coverage … enough to take over the starter position for multiple teams (WASH GB KC MN) either by injury or by designation (like us). My sense is he’d be a decent backup who over his career has tackled well, come up with big turnovers (even shile getting abused by good WRs), and has an odd assortment of injuries and weed infractions. He has not looked good in coverage … I think he can play a little better - its a shame that Dantzler regressed from last year and didnt play well enough in TC / preseason to start … I have a feeling Breeland would be flippin’ popular in here as a backup pressing for more playing time. Thats his MO wherever he’s gone. As it is, nobody has impressed at DB - but if either Breeland or Dantzler can rise to the very average play of PP and Alexander we’ll be okay if not fine … as long as Hunter and Griffith stay healthy.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 9:20:53 AM)
In other words, I dont agree that Breeland is rhe worst CB in the league … I think he has struggled (like Dantzler). can’t say why or if he’ll play better more consistently Can’t say if the second half Sunday was a turning point in the D’s and secondary’s development … it could be.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 9:48:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? Total agreement. What more is he going to give us on returns than ISM? IR him for good, for godsakes ... he's a two year development project, that development coming over the offseason, not sitting at 53 sponging up a roster spot.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 9:56:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? Total agreement. What more is he going to give us on returns than ISM? IR him for good, for godsakes ... he's a two year development project, that development coming over the offseason, not sitting at 53 sponging up a roster spot. For a team that often has guys like Chad Beebe and Bisi Johnson on the active roster, a guy with 4.3 speed will be refreshing. I'll guess he'll be in for a screen pass in the near future.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 10:41:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? More explosive 3rd down back than Abdullah if needed. Tons of speed. Jim beat me to it.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 10:43:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Would our safety play, be any better if they could rely on.. oh.. cornerbacks to cover their assignment, and tackle? Obviously. Fn Breeland has made a few plays, but his coverage skills are Wasswa Serwanga, bad. There was some talk on Zone Coverage about going after Sherman. Does he have anything left and would he hurt team chemistry? If he has anything left I sign him. Sounds like he is signing with TB.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 10:45:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? Total agreement. What more is he going to give us on returns than ISM? IR him for good, for godsakes ... he's a two year development project, that development coming over the offseason, not sitting at 53 sponging up a roster spot. For a team that often has guys like Chad Beebe and Bisi Johnson on the active roster, a guy with 4.3 speed will be refreshing. I'll guess he'll be in for a screen pass in the near future. For starters, he's a running back, not a WR. He sounds very much like Michael Bennett as a RB. From his NFL.com draft profile: Weaknesses One-speed runner. Takes forever to gather and cut on wide stretch plays. Dances up toward the line when trying to read the front. Lacks instincts and vision to see a move ahead. Inside runs are missing feel for run lanes. Drops head and finishes when moves are still available. Clunky, mechanical footwork when cutting. Awkward as route-runner and rarely a third-down option. He currently sounds like a project to be a reserve RB, which is fine. Maybe he has outlier value on specific plays, but a zone RB without vision or agility seems....I don't know. He's a Viking so I'm pulling for him and hoping they saw the right things (beyond character and work ethic) that led them to believe he can be an NFL RB.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 10:46:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Full disclosure - I was not too familiar with Breeland before he came here … but if you read up on him the book says he’s just okay in coverage … enough to take over the starter position for multiple teams (WASH GB KC MN) either by injury or by designation (like us). My sense is he’d be a decent backup who over his career has tackled well, come up with big turnovers (even shile getting abused by good WRs), and has an odd assortment of injuries and weed infractions. He has not looked good in coverage … I think he can play a little better - its a shame that Dantzler regressed from last year and didnt play well enough in TC / preseason to start … I have a feeling Breeland would be flippin’ popular in here as a backup pressing for more playing time. Thats his MO wherever he’s gone. As it is, nobody has impressed at DB - but if either Breeland or Dantzler can rise to the very average play of PP and Alexander we’ll be okay if not fine … as long as Hunter and Griffith stay healthy. Early returns are not that great on Breeland but he was injured or had something done on his shoulder during offseason and didn't practice right away---which makes it even more surprising on lack of Dantzler PT.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:14:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? Total agreement. What more is he going to give us on returns than ISM? IR him for good, for godsakes ... he's a two year development project, that development coming over the offseason, not sitting at 53 sponging up a roster spot. For a team that often has guys like Chad Beebe and Bisi Johnson on the active roster, a guy with 4.3 speed will be refreshing. I'll guess he'll be in for a screen pass in the near future. For starters, he's a running back, not a WR. He sounds very much like Michael Bennett as a RB. From his NFL.com draft profile: Weaknesses One-speed runner. Takes forever to gather and cut on wide stretch plays. Dances up toward the line when trying to read the front. Lacks instincts and vision to see a move ahead. Inside runs are missing feel for run lanes. Drops head and finishes when moves are still available. Clunky, mechanical footwork when cutting. Awkward as route-runner and rarely a third-down option. YES!!! A new human enema! All I have to do is update the joke. Guess which lineman Nwangwu ran behind [sm=icon_neutral.gif][sm=icon_neutral.gif][sm=icon_neutral.gif][:-][sm=icon_neutral.gif]

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:16:42 AM)
QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent!

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:22:47 AM)
Also, maybe it's time to lose Chisena. Coverage units haven't missed him a bit; do we really need to waste a roster spot on a gunner?

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:26:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent! JJ?

Toby Stumbo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:30:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent! JJ? The one and only Justin Jefferson my man, he has the highest average per attempt as well I believe. [:D]

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:39:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toby Stumbo quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent! JJ? The one and only Justin Jefferson my man, he has the highest average per attempt as well I believe. [:D] Nice, though there may be a statistical weakness on JJ.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:39:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent! JJ? https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/REG/all/passingpasserrating/DESC

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 11:49:21 AM)
Sean Borman @SeanBormanNFL 1h Zimmer said Darrisaw will get about double the reps he did last week, so around 6 reps per period in team drills this week · Sep 24 Mike Zimmer said #Vikings LT Christian Darrisaw took team reps this week. "He got about 3 reps a period. Next week we'll get him going a little bit more, we'll see where he's at."

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 12:05:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent! Not only QBs but he has a keen eye for position-switchables. Extend his ass! wait … that didn’t quite sound … nm

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 12:08:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Sean Borman @SeanBormanNFL 1h Zimmer said Darrisaw will get about double the reps he did last week, so around 6 reps per period in team drills this week · Sep 24 Mike Zimmer said #Vikings LT Christian Darrisaw took team reps this week. "He got about 3 reps a period. Next week we'll get him going a little bit more, we'll see where he's at." Nice!!! Let's see where this kid is; no rush, but if he's able, he's the future.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 12:08:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? More explosive 3rd down back than Abdullah if needed. Tons of speed. Jim beat me to it. Not in pro football games. Rudolph has more explosive tape than Kene. GZUZ.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 12:13:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Sean Borman @SeanBormanNFL 1h Zimmer said Darrisaw will get about double the reps he did last week, so around 6 reps per period in team drills this week · Sep 24 Mike Zimmer said #Vikings LT Christian Darrisaw took team reps this week. "He got about 3 reps a period. Next week we'll get him going a little bit more, we'll see where he's at." Nice!!! Let's see where this kid is; no rush, but if he's able, he's the future. My ironclad calculus tells me that at this rate … even if Darrisaw becomes a starter, it wont be until after humanity perishes in a climate change inferno (54 years 3 days 1hr from now).

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 1:08:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? More explosive 3rd down back than Abdullah if needed. Tons of speed. Jim beat me to it. Not in pro football games. Rudolph has more explosive tape than Kene. That's harsh. Funny as hell, but harsh.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 1:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen QB rating: Cousins 5th Teddy 6th JJ 8th Who says Spielman doesn't know QB talent! JJ? https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/REG/all/passingpasserrating/DESC Leads the league in YPA. Edit: As I see the ol' Stumboni has already pointed out.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 1:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? Would have worked well in the old Letterman skit "Is This Anything?"

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/29/2021 2:18:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Return & Offense Weapon returning: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/9/28/22699383/kene-nwangwu-could-be-making-debut-minnesota-vikings Not sure why this is a thing. He barely played offense in four years of college and never returned punts. NFL KOs are rarely returned. Don't we already waste a roster spot on a special teams ace? Total agreement. What more is he going to give us on returns than ISM? IR him for good, for godsakes ... he's a two year development project, that development coming over the offseason, not sitting at 53 sponging up a roster spot. For a team that often has guys like Chad Beebe and Bisi Johnson on the active roster, a guy with 4.3 speed will be refreshing. I'll guess he'll be in for a screen pass in the near future. For starters, he's a running back, not a WR. He sounds very much like Michael Bennett as a RB. From his NFL.com draft profile: Weaknesses One-speed runner. Takes forever to gather and cut on wide stretch plays. Dances up toward the line when trying to read the front. Lacks instincts and vision to see a move ahead. Inside runs are missing feel for run lanes. Drops head and finishes when moves are still available. Clunky, mechanical footwork when cutting. Awkward as route-runner and rarely a third-down option. He currently sounds like a project to be a reserve RB, which is fine. Maybe he has outlier value on specific plays, but a zone RB without vision or agility seems....I don't know. He's a Viking so I'm pulling for him and hoping they saw the right things (beyond character and work ethic) that led them to believe he can be an NFL RB. Just saying, can afford to take some chances at the bottom of the roster. Spielman (admittedly not a great judge of talent) said some nice things about his scheme fit: “When you look at the touches that he does have [at Iowa State]…he’s a one-cut runner that fits perfectly in this scheme,” Vikings general manager Rick Spielman said after the draft. “When you’ve got a kid that’s a six-foot running back, that’s 210 pounds, and that runs a 4.31 [second time] in the 40, that kid has a chance to be pretty special.” I know, Spielman draft talk is cheap. Nonetheless, he turned some heads at training camp, probably because he's fast.

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