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Phil Riewer -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 9:53:36 AM)

John U. Bacon
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Anyone saying the Harbaugh interview with Minnesota is a done deal is not considering the people involved, nor their histories. Today's interview is far more important many seem to understand.
Here's a thread laying it out. (1/13)
8:57 AM · Feb 2, 2022·Twitter Web App


John U. Bacon
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Harbaugh not only has to convince the Wilf family his approach is sufficiently modern in the midst of a youth movement (which shouldn’t be too hard), more importantly he has to quell the rumors that he’s too difficult to deal with. (2/13)
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Those come from two main sources: Harbaugh’s former owner, and one of his potential future owners. After Harbaugh took over the 6-10 49ers in 2011, he led them to three straight NFC conference titles. But, as I reported in ENDZONE, friction with GM Trent Baalke (3/13)
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“over personnel, contract extensions, and more were becoming personal, leaving San Jose Mercury News columnist Tim Kawakami to wonder if the relationship could be repaired. If so, Kawakami wrote, it would probably require the intervention of owner Jed York...(4/13)
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...the 34-year-old son of Denise DeBartolo York and nephew of the team’s previous owner, Edward DeBartolo Jr.” (5/13)
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As I wrote, Kawakami “initially thought Harbaugh was too brash and bristly to make a good fit with the 49ers. But over the years he came to the conclusion that the problems lay more with the team’s management.” (6/13)
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York repeatedly took Baalke’s side, until Harbaugh left to Michigan after the 2014 season and York fired Baalke in 2017. But since then York has been bad-mouthing Harbaugh to any NFL owner who will listen. Will the Wilfs? (7/13)
John U. Bacon
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@SamWebb77
mentions Harbaugh's other adversary in his report today:
“There is a minority stakeholder in the Vikings with strong Michigan ties who has been adamant in expressing the view that one of the other candidates would be a better choice.” (8/13)
John U. Bacon
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Webb doesn’t name him, and didn’t tell me, but my sources have confirmed what I already suspected from circumstantial evidence: U-M alumnus and former EMU trustee Jim Stapleton, who’s been a Vikings minority owner since 2005. (9/13)
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As I reported in Three and Out, after Stapleton had been accused of sabotaging U-M coach Rich Rodriguez he wrote a 4-page letter refuting the charges, but still had his sideline pass revoked. He is now one of Harbaugh’s critics, hoping to persuade the Wilfs to reject him. (10/13)
John U. Bacon
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However, Harbaugh has the best possible ally in his corner: Viking GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, who had worked with Harbaugh in San Francisco.
Thus, today will boil down to a simple contest: (11/13)
John U. Bacon
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will the Wilfs believe 49ers owner Jed York and Viking minority owner Jim Stapleton, or their own general manager, Kwesi Adofo-Mensah? And that may come down to how Harbaugh performs in today’s day-long interview. (12/13)
John U. Bacon
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That’s why, as Webb reports, “Sources in Ann Arbor had Harbaugh prepping [for the interview] much of the day Monday with quarterbacks coach Matt Weiss.”
That is not a man who thinks today’s interview is a done deal. Harbaugh knows better. (13/13)
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@timkawakami
, the best source on the SF side of the equation I've found.)




Brad H -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:07:32 AM)

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Bottom line is Brad doesn't like Jim from when he was at Stanford and beat the piss out of USC...then he went to SF and almost won it all.

True reason Brad doesn't like Harbaugh:
Stanford University (2007–2010)
Harbaugh was named the head football coach at Stanford University in December 2006, replacing Walt Harris. Harbaugh's father, Jack, was Stanford's defensive coordinator from 1980 to 1981, while Harbaugh attended Palo Alto High School, located directly across the street from Stanford Stadium.[103]


Harbaugh at the 2009 "Big Game" vs. rival California at Stanford Stadium
Harbaugh stirred some intra-conference controversy in March 2007, when he was quoted as saying rival USC head coach "Pete Carroll's only got one more year, though. He'll be there one more year. That's what I've heard. I heard it inside the staff." Upon further questions, Harbaugh claimed he had heard it from staff at USC. The comment caused a rebuke from Carroll.[104] (In fact, Carroll would be at USC for three more years.) At the Pacific-10 Conference media day on July 26, 2007, Harbaugh praised the Trojans, stating "There is no question in my mind that USC is the best team in the country and may be the best team in the history of college football." The declaration, especially in light of his earlier comment, garnered more media attention.[105][106] Later in the season, Stanford defeated #1 USC 24–23 with a touchdown in the final minute. With USC being the favorite by 41 points, it was statistically the greatest upset in college football history.[107][108] Although Stanford lost to USC in 2008, Harbaugh and the Stanford Cardinal upset USC at home again with a score of 55–21 on November 14, 2009.[109] Stanford's 55 points was the most ever scored on USC in the Trojans' history until Oregon scored 62 in a 62–51 win over USC on November 3, 2012. It was Pete Carroll's first November loss as USC head coach. After an infamous "What's your deal?" verbal exchange with Carroll following that game, Harbaugh and Carroll would go on to speak favorably about each other as NFL coaches.[110] Harbaugh never lost in USC's home stadium, the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

In January 2009, Harbaugh was confirmed to have been interviewed by the New York Jets for the head coach position,[111] although the job was eventually offered to Rex Ryan.[112]

In 2009, the Cardinal had a comeback season, finishing the regular season at 8–4, finishing #21 in the polls, and receiving an invitation to play in the 2009 Sun Bowl, the Cardinal's first bowl appearance since 2001. Running back Toby Gerhart was named a Heisman Trophy finalist, finishing second to Mark Ingram in the closest margin of voting in Heisman history. On December 13, 2009, Harbaugh was rewarded with a three-year contract extension through the 2014 season.[113]

The 2010 season brought more success for Harbaugh and the Cardinal. The team went 11–1 in the regular season, with their only loss coming from Oregon, a team that was undefeated and earned a berth in the BCS National Championship Game. The first 11 win season in program history earned the Cardinal a #4 BCS ranking and a BCS bowl invitation to the Orange Bowl. Stanford defeated Virginia Tech 40–12 for the Cardinal's first bowl win since 1996 and the first BCS bowl victory in program history.[114] Second year starting quarterback Andrew Luck was the runner-up to for the Heisman Trophy, the second year in a row that the runner-up was from Stanford. Harbaugh was named the winner of the Woody Hayes Coach of the Year Award.[115]

Could care less. Had zero impact on my life.


You mean Stanford kicking USC ass had no impact; lol. CMON.

None. Zip. Zero. Nada.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:09:32 AM)

He was a Wolverine player and coach, which is an insult to true Gophers fans. No true Gophers fans care, despite his claims.



I've read this narrative a few times the last few days. I'm as big of a Gopher homer as there is. If I were to "hate" anyone from the Big 10, in my history, it would read:


Lou Holtz - too young to care, tbh
Drew Breese - he torched us from what I remember
That asshat Mike Legg who scored an unbelievable goal to knock my Gophers out of the NCAA tourney. That's why we hate the Wolverines. [X(]


[&:] Gopher fans don't hate Michigan. It's embarrassing to say but we haven't been relevant enough in the right sports for far to long to have a reason to.




Mark Anderson -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:11:21 AM)

With the Flores stuff out there, will the Wilfs be worried about picking O'Connell or Harbaugh over Morris and Graham?




Tom Sykes -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:13:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

As I reported in Three and Out, after Stapleton had been accused of sabotaging U-M coach Rich Rodriguez he wrote a 4-page letter refuting the charges, but still had his sideline pass revoked. He is now one of Harbaugh’s critics, hoping to persuade the Wilfs to reject him. (10/13)
John U. Bacon
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Interesting read with new angles but ... its still just twitter hearsay.

Sure puts Stapleton in a bad light ...




David Levine -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:16:10 AM)

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I'm trying to remember, when was it again that Harbaugh ever won anything of importance?


So you're all in on Doug Pederson?




Brad H -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:18:29 AM)

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I'm trying to remember, when was it again that Harbaugh ever won anything of importance?


So you're all in on Doug Pederson?

I'm not all in on anyone. I'm just all out on Harbaugh. No chance I root for that guy. Can't stand his personality or his motives.




Mark Anderson -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I'm trying to remember, when was it again that Harbaugh ever won anything of importance?


So you're all in on Doug Pederson?

I'm not all in on anyone. I'm just all out on Harbaugh. No chance I root for that guy. Can't stand his personality or his motives.

So nothing will change. We will only hear from you after losses. [8|]




David Levine -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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I'm trying to remember, when was it again that Harbaugh ever won anything of importance?


So you're all in on Doug Pederson?

I'm not all in on anyone. I'm just all out on Harbaugh. No chance I root for that guy. Can't stand his personality or his motives.


If your criteria is winning it all, who else is there besides Pederson?




ronhextall -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:29:35 AM)

Minnesotans in general don't care about Gopher football but the Vikings need to consider their "feelings" when hiring a coach?

ROFLMAO.




kgdabom -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:55:55 AM)

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Looks like Vikings Fan Myopia may be starting a bit early in 2022. A new variant is now being predicted to arrive in early February, the Harbaugh strain. Usually it takes you guys at least 24-48 hours after the completion of the draft to come out of hibernation.

Viking fans are so desperate for a winner that Jim Harbaugh now sounds good to them.

I'll make one prediction if he is hired. That three years from now we will be discussing the exact same issue as a result of him leaving.

Its nice to hear you so openly differentiate yourself from Vikings fans. Usually you are more coy about that … even though its obvious to us.

As far as Harbaugh, its an unknown … nothing is written. In this situation, every honest good-natured fan of every team is hoping for the best outcome.

It obviously feeds your ego to argue from a position of emotional detachment but really its pathetic that you spend this much time searching out groups of strangers to heckle … that share a bond of any kind that you are removed from.

Do you not have any friends?

Best post of the month. [sm=bowdown.gif][sm=bowdown.gif]




Phil Riewer -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 10:57:47 AM)

What Cris Carter thinks:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1488859751915999234




kgdabom -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 11:00:06 AM)

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Brad's objections:

He was a Wolverine player and coach, which is an insult to true Gophers fans. No true Gophers fans care, despite his claims.

He hasn't won any significant games. Took over a 6-10 team and took them to 3 straight NFC title gmes and a Superbowl as a NFL head coach.

He is an opportunist who will jump to something bigger. Not an outrageous claim, but consider He is 58 years old and time is running out for a return to the NFL. Baling on the Vikings after one good season won't get him a better job. The only jobs open would be with teams in a worse position.

None of this has anything to do with loyalty, opportunity or team dynamics. Harbaugh took a pay cut to stay at Michigan and then went out and won a BigTen title. It's all about money, plain and simple.

It's also no secret that Harbaugh has always wanted to return to the NFL. At his age, the Vikings would be his last NFL job.

Look I'm not endorsing the guy. I just think you objections are more than a little over the top. I want the Vikings to hire the right guy. I don't know which if any of the 4 finalists is that guy. If one is, I hope they hire him. If that guy is Harbaugh is that guy then so be it.

So, why didn't he return to the NFL? Because he was reportedly making $8-million at Michigan at one point. Now that he took a pay cut and is making $4-million, he suddenly has a desire to return to the NFL.


Last NFL chance, Michigan team is rebuilding, MN Offense is stacked, Michigan def coordinator went to Balt Ravens....need more reasons? Seems like the normal FUD from you Brad.

You make it sound like the guy is desperate to leave. If that's the case, offer him $2-million and see what his response is.


I don't see a guy desperate to leave; I see a guy that sees how good he can make the MN Offense and sees a Super Bowl chance.

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Phil Riewer -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 11:25:27 AM)

Odds are that Harbaugh is sitting down right now and talking about the past season and how the team would sit (have been) record wise with him at coach. In my eyes I see 2-3 more wins at minimum with any of the top 5-6 coaching candidates. No idea what the GM and Possible Coach see as possible.




kgdabom -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 11:38:11 AM)

Harbaugh is a Michigan man. Tom Brady is a Michigan man. Tom Brady just retired from the Buccaneers. Coincidence?




Phil Riewer -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 11:43:10 AM)

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Harbaugh is a Michigan man. Tom Brady is a Michigan man. Tom Brady just retired from the Buccaneers. Coincidence?


I am guessing he will take a year to two off of the grind; prob includes coaching




Mark Anderson -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 12:50:24 PM)

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Harbaugh is a Michigan man. Tom Brady is a Michigan man. Tom Brady just retired from the Buccaneers. Coincidence?


I am guessing he will take a year to two off of the grind; prob includes coaching

I can't see Brady coaching after putting all that time and effort into playing.

I could see him doing the once in a while TV pre game shows.




Lars -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 12:58:02 PM)

As a Michigan man (the game at the Big House when we beat OSU this last season was one the best sporting event experiences I have ever attended), I hope he stays at UM. I am not a fan of choosing signing day to explore this, however.

If he sees this as a chance to enhance his career and income, why shouldn't he be able to? It is unreasonable to assume most people wouldn't - especially in this industry. Who one here would turn down millions more per year? Only in it for himself? No shit! It is his career and job!

I think he could be a good HC. My preference would be for one of the younger guys out there - preferable an OC-type, but I think Harbs could work here.




ronhextall -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 1:04:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Harbaugh is a Michigan man. Tom Brady is a Michigan man. Tom Brady just retired from the Buccaneers. Coincidence?


I am guessing he will take a year to two off of the grind; prob includes coaching

I can't see Brady coaching after putting all that time and effort into playing.

I could see him doing the once in a while TV pre game shows.


My guess is coaching major college football is more work than coaching in NFL.

On top of everything an NFL coach does the college coach has to babysit 85 guys 24/7/365 and recruit high school punks with their hand out for NIL money.

Mike Tomlin got that 100% correct.

I would be shocked beyond words if Brady got out of playing to get into coaching. Playing would be less time consuming.




David F. -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 1:13:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Brad's objections:

He was a Wolverine player and coach, which is an insult to true Gophers fans. No true Gophers fans care, despite his claims.

He hasn't won any significant games. Took over a 6-10 team and took them to 3 straight NFC title gmes and a Superbowl as a NFL head coach.

He is an opportunist who will jump to something bigger. Not an outrageous claim, but consider He is 58 years old and time is running out for a return to the NFL. Baling on the Vikings after one good season won't get him a better job. The only jobs open would be with teams in a worse position.

None of this has anything to do with loyalty, opportunity or team dynamics. Harbaugh took a pay cut to stay at Michigan and then went out and won a BigTen title. It's all about money, plain and simple.

It's also no secret that Harbaugh has always wanted to return to the NFL. At his age, the Vikings would be his last NFL job.

Look I'm not endorsing the guy. I just think you objections are more than a little over the top. I want the Vikings to hire the right guy. I don't know which if any of the 4 finalists is that guy. If one is, I hope they hire him. If that guy is Harbaugh is that guy then so be it.

So, why didn't he return to the NFL? Because he was reportedly making $8-million at Michigan at one point. Now that he took a pay cut and is making $4-million, he suddenly has a desire to return to the NFL.


Last NFL chance, Michigan team is rebuilding, MN Offense is stacked, Michigan def coordinator went to Balt Ravens....need more reasons? Seems like the normal FUD from you Brad.

You make it sound like the guy is desperate to leave. If that's the case, offer him $2-million and see what his response is.


I don't see a guy desperate to leave; I see a guy that sees how good he can make the MN Offense and sees a Super Bowl chance.


Yes yes yes! When looking for a business to buy it's often more advantageous to buy one that was poorly managed than superbly managed. The poorly managed business has more potential and likely didn't know what they had.




Steve Lentz -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 1:15:23 PM)

Harbaugh has got his teams to NFL Championship games with Kaepernick and Alex Smith.
Harbaugh was a QB. He has an offensive mind, proven success in the NFL and most reports I read tell me his players had good relationships with him. Ownership can worry about the contract, but this guy looks to me to be an excellent choice. Sign him.




ronhextall -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 1:39:07 PM)

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Harbaugh has got his teams to NFL Championship games with Kaepernick and Alex Smith.
Harbaugh was a QB. He has an offensive mind, proven success in the NFL and most reports I read tell me his players had good relationships with him. Ownership can worry about the contract, but this guy looks to me to be an excellent choice. Sign him.


agreed, I want an offensive head coach and he destroys anybody else's resume as a potential head coach.




David Levine -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 2:29:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Harbaugh is a Michigan man. Tom Brady is a Michigan man. Tom Brady just retired from the Buccaneers. Coincidence?


I am guessing he will take a year to two off of the grind; prob includes coaching

I can't see Brady coaching after putting all that time and effort into playing.

I could see him doing the once in a while TV pre game shows.


My guess is coaching major college football is more work than coaching in NFL.

On top of everything an NFL coach does the college coach has to babysit 85 guys 24/7/365 and recruit high school punks with their hand out for NIL money.

Mike Tomlin got that 100% correct.

I would be shocked beyond words if Brady got out of playing to get into coaching. Playing would be less time consuming.


Agreed.

And I don't think there is any reason to assume he'd be a good coach - most great players that try it, aren't.

I could see him with a TV gig if he gets bored and needs something to do, but after 22 years in the NFl (and with a wife who has been the clear breadwinner in the family), I imagine he'd like to spend some time off of a schedule for a while - and with his kids who are hitting the age of serious activities.




Mark Anderson -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 3:25:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Harbaugh has got his teams to NFL Championship games with Kaepernick and Alex Smith.
Harbaugh was a QB. He has an offensive mind, proven success in the NFL and most reports I read tell me his players had good relationships with him. Ownership can worry about the contract, but this guy looks to me to be an excellent choice. Sign him.

Plus, his brother got a SB ring at his expense. Jim is ultra competitive. He wants a ring like his brother got.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/2/2022 3:34:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Harbaugh is a Michigan man. Tom Brady is a Michigan man. Tom Brady just retired from the Buccaneers. Coincidence?


I am guessing he will take a year to two off of the grind; prob includes coaching

I can't see Brady coaching after putting all that time and effort into playing.

I could see him doing the once in a while TV pre game shows.


My guess is coaching major college football is more work than coaching in NFL.

On top of everything an NFL coach does the college coach has to babysit 85 guys 24/7/365 and recruit high school punks with their hand out for NIL money.

Mike Tomlin got that 100% correct.

I would be shocked beyond words if Brady got out of playing to get into coaching. Playing would be less time consuming.


Agreed.

And I don't think there is any reason to assume he'd be a good coach - most great players that try it, aren't.

I could see him with a TV gig if he gets bored and needs something to do, but after 22 years in the NFl (and with a wife who has been the clear breadwinner in the family), I imagine he'd like to spend some time off of a schedule for a while - and with his kids who are hitting the age of serious activities.



Moneywise the guy is set for life.

He doesn't have to work.

He doesn't have to coach.

He doesn't have to do TV.

I see him pulling a Big Lebowski for a couple years and just takin' 'er easy.




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