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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: beo

Saints already across the pond.

Vikings not leaving til later this week.

Hate that... seems like the teams that go early to get acclimated do well.

They're not trying to acclimate; they're staying on their local cycles/rhythms. I think the theory is that you don't acclimate in a few days anyway, so stick with the sleep schedule the team is attuned to on an ongoing basis. This idea is not unique to this organization.

To stay on their local cycles they of course would keep their body clocks in synch to CST. Which means they start the game at what their body clock thinks is 08:30 a.m. Which means waking up body clock wise at what, 06:00 a.m.? 05:30? Noonish local time.

And to get say 7 hours of sleep in, they go to bed at 11:00 p.m. CST or 5:00 a.m. local time.

All that's doable depending on some things, but the problem is the hitting starts when their body thinks it's time to get out of bed.

Saints meanwhile, if they are really across the pond, have 5-6 days to acclimate which is more than 'a few days' and right in line with synching them up for the London afternoon kickoff.

I suppose the teams consider the following week, which on the surface would mean the Vikings have the advantage. Mainly due to scheduling activities at a more normal time during the week. If the Saints got all their prep in, by Sunday it shouldn't matter.

So that seals it. You and so many others on this board are so much smarter than the team's health guys, Donatell, KOC, Kwesi, etc. I'm in awe.

Why don't you answer the issue(s) I presented instead of falling back to a dumbass remark? My guess is you most assuredly would if you could.

And the Saints took a different approach. Contrary to what you mistakenly said, their body clocks will be in synch with the mid-afternoon local kickoff time. Are they stupid?

It's not my plan, it's the plan by the medical staff of the Vikings. KOC mentioned that the overall philosophy is to maintain body rhythms from home, and that the medical staff will detail the plan with the media this week, so you can listen to that. And I think that your point about less disruption overall is the germane point.

My dumbass remark lumped you in with the overall impatience on this board with the new regime and the players. People have already called for Donatell's head because he's an idiot and talked about benching Kirk because there are apparently so many better options available. It's ludicrous and not at all interesting or edifying. None of what they're doing may work out, but can't we let it play out a little before concluding that all is lost?

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

This game worries me, seems like Cousins only does well for noon kickoffs. I read he has his day on a spreadsheet in 15 minute increments (I really hope that isn't true).

Any slight deviation from the norm (prime time games) seems cause him to play like ass.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: beo

Saints already across the pond.

Vikings not leaving til later this week.

Hate that... seems like the teams that go early to get acclimated do well.

They're not trying to acclimate; they're staying on their local cycles/rhythms. I think the theory is that you don't acclimate in a few days anyway, so stick with the sleep schedule the team is attuned to on an ongoing basis. This idea is not unique to this organization.

To stay on their local cycles they of course would keep their body clocks in synch to CST. Which means they start the game at what their body clock thinks is 08:30 a.m. Which means waking up body clock wise at what, 06:00 a.m.? 05:30? Noonish local time.

And to get say 7 hours of sleep in, they go to bed at 11:00 p.m. CST or 5:00 a.m. local time.

All that's doable depending on some things, but the problem is the hitting starts when their body thinks it's time to get out of bed.

Saints meanwhile, if they are really across the pond, have 5-6 days to acclimate which is more than 'a few days' and right in line with synching them up for the London afternoon kickoff.

I suppose the teams consider the following week, which on the surface would mean the Vikings have the advantage. Mainly due to scheduling activities at a more normal time during the week. If the Saints got all their prep in, by Sunday it shouldn't matter.

So that seals it. You and so many others on this board are so much smarter than the team's health guys, Donatell, KOC, Kwesi, etc. I'm in awe.

Why don't you answer the issue(s) I presented instead of falling back to a dumbass remark? My guess is you most assuredly would if you could.

And the Saints took a different approach. Contrary to what you mistakenly said, their body clocks will be in synch with the mid-afternoon local kickoff time. Are they stupid?

It's not my plan, it's the plan by the medical staff of the Vikings. KOC mentioned that the overall philosophy is to maintain body rhythms from home, and that the medical staff will detail the plan with the media this week, so you can listen to that. And I think that your point about less disruption overall is the germane point.

My dumbass remark lumped you in with the overall impatience on this board with the new regime and the players. People have already called for Donatell's head because he's an idiot and talked about benching Kirk because there are apparently so many better options available. It's ludicrous and not at all interesting or edifying. None of what they're doing may work out, but can't we let it play out a little before concluding that all is lost?

I’ve been on this board long enough to post from all compass points … including the optimistic / hopeful side … where I was greatly annoyed with the type of position that I find myself in now … negative, unsure, impatient, quick to judge. And annoyed with posts that IMO are poorly reasoned, both negative and positive … but yes, especially with positive posts that I feel are ludicrous and not at all interesting or edifying.

In short, it works both ways.

And arguing that posters are less smart than ‘the experts’ … that doesn’t fly either. One, even a Bills fan (ie fan of an obviously good team) has every right to complain and second guess and slam his team’s ‘experts’, much less the fans of mediocre or worse teams … its what fans do and the league profits bazillions from from this emotional entitlement; two, experts can be very unsuccessful experts … and very deserving of criticism … any losing coach or GM got their position with expectations of success … amazingly few get there.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: beo

Saints already across the pond.

Vikings not leaving til later this week.

Hate that... seems like the teams that go early to get acclimated do well.

They're not trying to acclimate; they're staying on their local cycles/rhythms. I think the theory is that you don't acclimate in a few days anyway, so stick with the sleep schedule the team is attuned to on an ongoing basis. This idea is not unique to this organization.

To stay on their local cycles they of course would keep their body clocks in synch to CST. Which means they start the game at what their body clock thinks is 08:30 a.m. Which means waking up body clock wise at what, 06:00 a.m.? 05:30? Noonish local time.

And to get say 7 hours of sleep in, they go to bed at 11:00 p.m. CST or 5:00 a.m. local time.

All that's doable depending on some things, but the problem is the hitting starts when their body thinks it's time to get out of bed.

Saints meanwhile, if they are really across the pond, have 5-6 days to acclimate which is more than 'a few days' and right in line with synching them up for the London afternoon kickoff.

I suppose the teams consider the following week, which on the surface would mean the Vikings have the advantage. Mainly due to scheduling activities at a more normal time during the week. If the Saints got all their prep in, by Sunday it shouldn't matter.

So that seals it. You and so many others on this board are so much smarter than the team's health guys, Donatell, KOC, Kwesi, etc. I'm in awe.

Why don't you answer the issue(s) I presented instead of falling back to a dumbass remark? My guess is you most assuredly would if you could.

And the Saints took a different approach. Contrary to what you mistakenly said, their body clocks will be in synch with the mid-afternoon local kickoff time. Are they stupid?

It's not my plan, it's the plan by the medical staff of the Vikings. KOC mentioned that the overall philosophy is to maintain body rhythms from home, and that the medical staff will detail the plan with the media this week, so you can listen to that. And I think that your point about less disruption overall is the germane point.

My dumbass remark lumped you in with the overall impatience on this board with the new regime and the players. People have already called for Donatell's head because he's an idiot and talked about benching Kirk because there are apparently so many better options available. It's ludicrous and not at all interesting or edifying. None of what they're doing may work out, but can't we let it play out a little before concluding that all is lost?

I’ve been on this board long enough to post from all compass points … including the optimistic / hopeful side … where I was greatly annoyed with the type of position that I find myself in now … negative, unsure, impatient, quick to judge. And annoyed with posts that IMO are poorly reasoned, both negative and positive … but yes, especially with positive posts that I feel are ludicrous and not at all interesting or edifying.

In short, it works both ways.

And arguing that posters are less smart than ‘the experts’ … that doesn’t fly either. One, even a Bills fan (ie fan of an obviously good team) has every right to complain and second guess and slam his team’s ‘experts’, much less the fans of mediocre or worse teams … its what fans do and the league profits bazillions from from this emotional entitlement; two, experts can be very unsuccessful experts … and very deserving of criticism … any losing coach or GM got their position with expectations of success … amazingly few get there.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

You mean the 99% of coaches, GMs, etc. who were fired for poor performance and bad decisions? Those experts?

And why would the "team's health guys, Donatell, KOC, Kwesi" know about much about circadian rhythm? As for KOC, talking to a couple of players who may have adapted different than the norm or slept odd or different hours (if they can remember) sounds amateurish at best.

Since they now don't have the luxury of adapting naturally, they might simply stay up the day of landing then going to sleep at the normal London time. That's the quick and easy way to help get into the swing of things. Repeat that on the next day. But that runs counter to bohumm saying they will try to stay on CST.

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You mean the 99% of coaches, GMs, etc. who were fired for poor performance and bad decisions? Those experts?

And why would the "team's health guys, Donatell, KOC, Kwesi" know about much about circadian rhythm? As for KOC, talking to a couple of players who may have adapted different than the norm or slept odd or different hours (if they can remember) sounds amateurish at best.

Since they now don't have the luxury of adapting naturally, they might simply stay up the day of landing then going to sleep at the normal London time. That's the quick and easy way to help get into the swing of things. Repeat that on the next day. But that runs counter to bohumm saying they will try to stay on CST.

I know ... it was a ramble. Even my 'In short, ...' posts are sagas.

The KOC consulting with players thing ... it sounds amateurish but I doubt it factored heavily into the overall strategy.

It was probably more about Collaborator Kevin doing his thing. Taking notes, shaking his head in agreement, then completely deferring to the medical staff.

Kwesi on the other hand, I bet his iPhone is chock full of Circadian Rhythm apps.

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[updated] Minnesota drafted defensive players in the first five rounds. Here's their defense snaps through 3 weeks:
R1 - S Lewis Cine: 1 snaps / 196 snaps
R2 - CB Andrew Booth: 0 snaps
R3 - LB Brian Asamoah: 0 snaps
R4 - CB Akayleb Evans: 27 snaps
R5 - DT Esezi Otomewo: 0 snaps

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

Never said "experts" couldn't be wrong; in fact, I explicitly said they might be. But two or three weeks into the season is not a sufficient sample size to validate or refute an approach taken by people who have a lot of experience and insight, as well as a tremendous personal stake in the success of the team. These guys are smart and have a more vast knowledge base about their area than any of us do, and they have some basis for taking the course of action they've selected. Of course they could be wrong. But why not let it play out a bit before the sweeping conclusion that their idiots who should be fired?

And the health/medical/performance personnel on the Vikings who helped determine the approach to travel to and from the game have done loads of work and consulted people whose entire career is devoted to the areas affected, if not international travel's impact on performance itself. And a course of action was settled on and that will play out over the next few days. The Saints did similar work and chose a different approach. But the Vikings are idiots because they're not doing what this or that poster on this board thinks we should do.

I agree completely with Tom that relentlessly positive or negative posting, usually with no or very little basis that is articulated with anything like sound reasoning, is insipid and boring. It is in great supply in here as this season has started. Having concerns is one thing, and many of us have some or many. Ranting and drawing conclusions at this phase tells more about the poster than the posted.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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Never said "experts" couldn't be wrong; in fact, I explicitly said they might be. But two or three weeks into the season is not a sufficient sample size to validate or refute an approach taken by people who have a lot of experience and insight, as well as a tremendous personal stake in the success of the team. These guys are smart and have a more vast knowledge base about their area than any of us do, and they have some basis for taking the course of action they've selected. Of course they could be wrong. But why not let it play out a bit before the sweeping conclusion that their idiots who should be fired?

And the health/medical/performance personnel on the Vikings who helped determine the approach to travel to and from the game have done loads of work and consulted people whose entire career is devoted to the areas affected, if not international travel's impact on performance itself. And a course of action was settled on and that will play out over the next few days. The Saints did similar work and chose a different approach. But the Vikings are idiots because they're not doing what this or that poster on this board thinks we should do.

I agree completely with Tom that relentlessly positive or negative posting, usually with no or very little basis that is articulated with anything like sound reasoning, is insipid and boring. It is in great supply in here as this season has started. Having concerns is one thing, and many of us have some or many. Ranting and drawing conclusions at this phase tells more about the poster than the posted.

Since you are in the know, did all they say all the things you proclaim?

Or was the expanded "health/medical/performance personnel on the Vikings who helped determine the approach to travel to and from the game..." just a shallow, made-up CYA?

If not, don't you question who they consulted, what their credentials of an "entire career" are, and how accurate they have been (assuming they have done NFL projections before)?

Do tell! Is Sean Payton an idiot over "I've never traveled there" KOC?

I'm curious because I've traveled across the pond (in this case, the Atlantic) more times than I can remember. Sometimes we were not restricted to commercial time slots. For the rest, Google North Atlantic Tracks. Once 'there', we sometimes went right into flight ops. Sometimes we got up early to plan. Sometimes it was as a tourist.

So, great wealth of Vikings travel plans, let's hear the nuts and bolts.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

As an aside, if the board bothers you so much based on your posts for two weeks... why are you here? Take a sabbatical. You'll be welcomed in 2023.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

Never said "experts" couldn't be wrong; in fact, I explicitly said they might be. But two or three weeks into the season is not a sufficient sample size to validate or refute an approach taken by people who have a lot of experience and insight, as well as a tremendous personal stake in the success of the team. These guys are smart and have a more vast knowledge base about their area than any of us do, and they have some basis for taking the course of action they've selected. Of course they could be wrong. But why not let it play out a bit before the sweeping conclusion that their idiots who should be fired?

And the health/medical/performance personnel on the Vikings who helped determine the approach to travel to and from the game have done loads of work and consulted people whose entire career is devoted to the areas affected, if not international travel's impact on performance itself. And a course of action was settled on and that will play out over the next few days. The Saints did similar work and chose a different approach. But the Vikings are idiots because they're not doing what this or that poster on this board thinks we should do.

I agree completely with Tom that relentlessly positive or negative posting, usually with no or very little basis that is articulated with anything like sound reasoning, is insipid and boring. It is in great supply in here as this season has started. Having concerns is one thing, and many of us have some or many. Ranting and drawing conclusions at this phase tells more about the poster than the posted.

Since you are in the know, did all they say all the things you proclaim?

Or was the expanded "health/medical/performance personnel on the Vikings who helped determine the approach to travel to and from the game..." just a shallow, made-up CYA?

If not, don't you question who they consulted, what their credentials of an "entire career" are, and how accurate they have been (assuming they have done NFL projections before)?

Do tell! Is Sean Payton an idiot over "I've never traveled there" KOC?

I'm curious because I've traveled across the pond (in this case, the Atlantic) more times than I can remember. Sometimes we were not restricted to commercial time slots. For the rest, Google North Atlantic Tracks. Once 'there', we sometimes went right into flight ops. Sometimes we got up early to plan. Sometimes it was as a tourist.

So, great wealth of Vikings travel plans, let's hear the nuts and bolts.

KOC said it at a presser.

Tyler Williams is the health/performance poohbah, and I don't have any reason to question his sources nor do I think he is infallible.

Sean Payton is not involved in this game.

Why would I know the details?

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I really wish the talking heads spent more time looking back 2-3 years at previous drafts instead of hyping what they currently think.

GM's and Scouts should have their rankings cataloged by an accounting firm for future review (my guess is something like that does exist but I would like to hear more about it)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I really wish the talking heads spent more time looking back 2-3 years at previous drafts instead of hyping what they currently think.

GM's and Scouts should have their rankings cataloged by an accounting firm for future review (my guess is something like that does exist but I would like to hear more about it)