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Trekgeekscott -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/6/2023 10:45:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Ted
@tlschwerz
#MNTwins Pablo Lopez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR

#Marlins Luis Arraez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR



Interesting. As we got two prospects in the trade as well.

Who got the better end of that deal again?




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/6/2023 12:52:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Ted
@tlschwerz
#MNTwins Pablo Lopez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR

#Marlins Luis Arraez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR



Interesting. As we got two prospects in the trade as well.

Who got the better end of that deal again?

The problem with that is that any WAR related stat is garbage.

The value of the trade will play over years, not 3 months. The bottom line is that quality starting pitching is the hardest thing to come by. The Twins will find it a lot easier to pick up a bat at the deadline than a pitcher.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/6/2023 2:28:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Ted
@tlschwerz
#MNTwins Pablo Lopez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR

#Marlins Luis Arraez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR



Interesting. As we got two prospects in the trade as well.

Who got the better end of that deal again?

The problem with that is that any WAR related stat is garbage.

The value of the trade will play over years, not 3 months. The bottom line is that quality starting pitching is the hardest thing to come by. The Twins will find it a lot easier to pick up a bat at the deadline than a pitcher.


Totally agree.

I am Anti-WAR. The truth is the Twins made a good deal. Got a good/very good starting pitcher. Plus a couple prospects and all it cost us was one guy that literally does one thing very well. Every other aspect of Arraez game is suspect. I think the much aligned (and rightfully so) front office got this one right.

Pablo is doing exactly what we want him to do.

Arraez chasing .400 makes this trade look stupid to those who really don't pay attention very well. But in the long run I think we got a great deal.




bstinger -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 10:01:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

Lopez on fire. Love that Arraez trade.

I'm pro Lopez trade too, I hope the pendulum swings more toward it being a good deal, but dominating the KC Royals is not the best measuring stick, is it?




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 11:26:46 AM)

I think it was a trade where both teams got something they desperately needed and gave up something good to get it. I loved having Arraezin the order, but the guys getting his AB are doing well.

Kirilloff is batting 277, .378, .398, .776. I expect his slugging numbers to climb as he gets farther removed from his wrist surgery.
Donovan Solano is hitting 277, .374, .413, .787.

Both have decent averages and have OBP 100 or more points over their averages.




David Levine -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 2:29:18 PM)

No team benefited more from the inaugural MLB Draft lottery than the Twins, who should have been slated to make their first-round selection at No. 13 but shot all the way up to No. 5 thanks to the variance instituted by the new rules.

And if there’s any Draft in which rising specifically into the top five could prove significant, it’s this one, because there’s a widespread consensus that there’s a clear top five that stands above the rest in this class -- and now, the Twins will be guaranteed to land one of those talents, if they so choose, when the first day of the Draft takes place on Sunday in Seattle.

“I mean, we’re excited just to be here, kind of,” said Twins vice president of amateur scouting Sean Johnson. “We’re going to try to do the best we can with that opportunity. And that’s how we see it. Just a chance to maybe access a better prospect in this Draft.”

So, in a sense, it could just be as simple as waiting to see which of the top-five talents remains after the first four teams have picked, and taking that final member of the group, which features LSU right-hander Paul Skenes, LSU outfielder Dylan Crews, Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford, North Carolina high school outfielder Walker Jenkins and Indiana high school outfielder Max Clark.

But is it really that easy?

“We never look at it as a certain amount of players in a Draft that we should consider,” Johnson said. “We always keep a really broad focus there. Whether it was a three-player Draft or a five-player Draft, from whatever narrative you want to get it from, we always expand our horizons. We keep as big of a pool as possible to select from.”

Johnson said the Twins have narrowed down their potential selection pool to roughly 10 players for that first-round pick, and it’s tough to imagine one of the LSU uber-talents -- Skenes or Crews -- falling to No. 5. But, as MLB Pipeline’s Jim Callis has pointed out, there’s some thought that if one of the high school outfielders falls to the Twins, their model might favor a college hitter instead, based on their past track record.

“I think that’s certainly one of our MOs, is to take college performers,” Johnson said. “They do resonate well with our model and have for a while. And our model’s changing every year, it’s adapting.”


https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-preparing-for-2023-draft

Is the Twins model something to be proud of, or stick slavishly to?




bstinger -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 2:30:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

I think it was a trade where both teams got something they desperately needed and gave up something good to get it. I loved having Arraezin the order, but the guys getting his AB are doing well.

Kirilloff is batting 277, .378, .398, .776. I expect his slugging numbers to climb as he gets farther removed from his wrist surgery.
Donovan Solano is hitting 277, .374, .413, .787.

Both have decent averages and have OBP 100 or more points over their averages.

Kirilloff is looking good at 1B.

Gallo needs to go and bring up Wallner.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 2:40:32 PM)

Gallo is underappreciated. Stellar defense at multiple positions and an OPS around .800.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 2:41:29 PM)

Larnach is the one that needs to be called up. He is ON FIRE at AAA.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 3:26:59 PM)

One of Larnach or Wallner will be traded by the deadline for bullpen help. It will be the wrong guy to trade, because Kepler should go first.




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 4:00:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

No team benefited more from the inaugural MLB Draft lottery than the Twins, who should have been slated to make their first-round selection at No. 13 but shot all the way up to No. 5 thanks to the variance instituted by the new rules.

And if there’s any Draft in which rising specifically into the top five could prove significant, it’s this one, because there’s a widespread consensus that there’s a clear top five that stands above the rest in this class -- and now, the Twins will be guaranteed to land one of those talents, if they so choose, when the first day of the Draft takes place on Sunday in Seattle.

“I mean, we’re excited just to be here, kind of,” said Twins vice president of amateur scouting Sean Johnson. “We’re going to try to do the best we can with that opportunity. And that’s how we see it. Just a chance to maybe access a better prospect in this Draft.”

So, in a sense, it could just be as simple as waiting to see which of the top-five talents remains after the first four teams have picked, and taking that final member of the group, which features LSU right-hander Paul Skenes, LSU outfielder Dylan Crews, Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford, North Carolina high school outfielder Walker Jenkins and Indiana high school outfielder Max Clark.

But is it really that easy?

“We never look at it as a certain amount of players in a Draft that we should consider,” Johnson said. “We always keep a really broad focus there. Whether it was a three-player Draft or a five-player Draft, from whatever narrative you want to get it from, we always expand our horizons. We keep as big of a pool as possible to select from.”

Johnson said the Twins have narrowed down their potential selection pool to roughly 10 players for that first-round pick, and it’s tough to imagine one of the LSU uber-talents -- Skenes or Crews -- falling to No. 5. But, as MLB Pipeline’s Jim Callis has pointed out, there’s some thought that if one of the high school outfielders falls to the Twins, their model might favor a college hitter instead, based on their past track record.

“I think that’s certainly one of our MOs, is to take college performers,” Johnson said. “They do resonate well with our model and have for a while. And our model’s changing every year, it’s adapting.”


https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-preparing-for-2023-draft

Is the Twins model something to be proud of, or stick slavishly to?

The model that has produced Brent Rooker, Trevor Larnach, Aaron Sabato in the first round.




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 4:07:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Gallo is underappreciated. Stellar defense at multiple positions and an OPS around .800.

I agree. He gets maligned because of his low average and high strike outs. He also draws enough walks that his OBP is more than 100 points higher than his average. He provides power and good defense. As you say, underappreciated.




David Levine -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 5:14:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The model that has produced Brent Rooker, Trevor Larnach, Aaron Sabato in the first round.


I'm still amazed we drafted a 40 year-old out of some local softball league with a 1st round pick...

[image]https://i.ibb.co/w4RPBvt/Aaron-Sabato-2-Courtesy-of-UNC-Athletic-Communications-1024x683.jpg[/image]




Mister Ed -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 5:47:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Ted
@tlschwerz
#MNTwins Pablo Lopez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR

#Marlins Luis Arraez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR



Interesting. As we got two prospects in the trade as well.

Who got the better end of that deal again?

The problem with that is that any WAR related stat is garbage.

The value of the trade will play over years, not 3 months. The bottom line is that quality starting pitching is the hardest thing to come by. The Twins will find it a lot easier to pick up a bat at the deadline than a pitcher.



Pablo Lopez value to me is pretty simple

Take him out of the rotation and put in someone else the Twins would have acquired or brought up.




Mister Ed -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 5:49:12 PM)

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So, in a sense, it could just be as simple as waiting to see which of the top-five talents remains after the first four teams have picked, and taking that final member of the group, which features LSU right-hander Paul Skenes, LSU outfielder Dylan Crews, Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford, North Carolina high school outfielder Walker Jenkins and Indiana high school outfielder Max Clark.


From the nerds on Twitter and their "sources"

The Twins are more likely to get Gonzalez, the college SS

SMH




bstinger -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 9:25:28 PM)

Anyone else sick of these non-Bally's games? How many different subscriptions to you have do have to watch a below average team struggle to win a crappy division?????




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 10:03:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

quote:

So, in a sense, it could just be as simple as waiting to see which of the top-five talents remains after the first four teams have picked, and taking that final member of the group, which features LSU right-hander Paul Skenes, LSU outfielder Dylan Crews, Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford, North Carolina high school outfielder Walker Jenkins and Indiana high school outfielder Max Clark.


From the nerds on Twitter and their "sources"

The Twins are more likely to get Gonzalez, the college SS

SMH

And the Twins will once again outsmart themselves




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 10:13:45 PM)

Fake runner on 2B. Such a joke. We shoulda still been 1-1 going to the bottom of the 10th. But no. We were somehow down 3-1 after keeping them to 1 run all game. A total joke. Fake loss.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 10:15:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

No team benefited more from the inaugural MLB Draft lottery than the Twins, who should have been slated to make their first-round selection at No. 13 but shot all the way up to No. 5 thanks to the variance instituted by the new rules.

And if there’s any Draft in which rising specifically into the top five could prove significant, it’s this one, because there’s a widespread consensus that there’s a clear top five that stands above the rest in this class -- and now, the Twins will be guaranteed to land one of those talents, if they so choose, when the first day of the Draft takes place on Sunday in Seattle.

“I mean, we’re excited just to be here, kind of,” said Twins vice president of amateur scouting Sean Johnson. “We’re going to try to do the best we can with that opportunity. And that’s how we see it. Just a chance to maybe access a better prospect in this Draft.”

So, in a sense, it could just be as simple as waiting to see which of the top-five talents remains after the first four teams have picked, and taking that final member of the group, which features LSU right-hander Paul Skenes, LSU outfielder Dylan Crews, Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford, North Carolina high school outfielder Walker Jenkins and Indiana high school outfielder Max Clark.

But is it really that easy?

“We never look at it as a certain amount of players in a Draft that we should consider,” Johnson said. “We always keep a really broad focus there. Whether it was a three-player Draft or a five-player Draft, from whatever narrative you want to get it from, we always expand our horizons. We keep as big of a pool as possible to select from.”

Johnson said the Twins have narrowed down their potential selection pool to roughly 10 players for that first-round pick, and it’s tough to imagine one of the LSU uber-talents -- Skenes or Crews -- falling to No. 5. But, as MLB Pipeline’s Jim Callis has pointed out, there’s some thought that if one of the high school outfielders falls to the Twins, their model might favor a college hitter instead, based on their past track record.

“I think that’s certainly one of our MOs, is to take college performers,” Johnson said. “They do resonate well with our model and have for a while. And our model’s changing every year, it’s adapting.”


https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-preparing-for-2023-draft

Is the Twins model something to be proud of, or stick slavishly to?

The model that has produced Brent Rooker, Trevor Larnach, Aaron Sabato in the first round.

All-Star Brent Rooker.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 10:17:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Gallo is underappreciated. Stellar defense at multiple positions and an OPS around .800.

I agree. He gets maligned because of his low average and high strike outs. He also draws enough walks that his OBP is more than 100 points higher than his average. He provides power and good defense. As you say, underappreciated.

We are brilliant.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/7/2023 10:49:25 PM)

What are the chances that the 3 Twins radio broadcasters of the last 23 years (John Gordon, Dan Gladden and Cory Provus) all celebrate a July 7th birthday? I calculate it at 1 in 133,125. Agree?




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/8/2023 1:17:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

Anyone else sick of these non-Bally's games? How many different subscriptions to you have do have to watch a below average team struggle to win a crappy division?????

We need to sue MLB. They flat-out steal from us when they take the game away from Bally.




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/8/2023 7:01:46 AM)

KC leaves town and reality returns.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/8/2023 12:22:55 PM)

What happened to former Twins prospect Shane Kennedy?




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (7/8/2023 1:35:53 PM)

Can we change our All-Star?




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