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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/19/2023 12:46:02 AM)
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You asked a question and I provided the answer. Now you’re saying I thought 2019 and 2022 were championship caliber teams? You’re actually doing somewhat well in this argument you really don’t need to jump to lying, especially at this point.
It's like you don't know Phil at all.
All along David F and Dan say the reason we aren't moving along in the playoffs is Kirk.....doesn't matter what the roster is....I said pick a year where we had a good roster. He picked a year and I asked him point blank if it was a championship roster....if it isn't they will blame Kirk or his salary, exactly his response once again....it is what Kirk haters do. Rinse, repeat.
2019 and 2022 were not championship rosters; 0.0% to do with the QB. 2023 may have the most competitive roster Kirk has had to QB...
Case Keenum is better than Kirk in the spotlight. He didn't need a top 10 defense and offense to win or choke away a playoff game.
Cousins will never ever lead us Super Bowl victory so why keep him around?
Trade him to the 9ers, he'll waive his no trade clause for them.
Somewhat true; he does have moxy but Case didn't have the arm though to play outdoors in the postseason....one of the reasons they signed Kirk.
2017 was the best Viking defense in recent memory. #1 in yards and points allowed, lowest 3rd down conversion percentage in history at the time.
Keenum had one glorious year where he played with a horseshoe lodged solidly up his ass. He got away with some of the dumbest throws I have ever witnessed. There were times he chucked the ball blindly downfield only to have a receiver come out of nowhere to run under it. He didn't get away with that crap against Philly and he never enjoyed that luck again.
If Cousins, who possesses talent that is superior to Keenum's by ten miles, could learn to adapt to his game, even a smidge of what made Keenum so magical that year, we'd not be having this conversation right now. Just a tiny smidge of risk taking, pocket presence, extending a play, and most importantly - game situation awareness is what Cousins' game is lacking. Considering he's been in the league over ten years I have to say I'm astonished that none of those aspects have crept into his game through pure experience.
Whats your thoughts on Allen, Herbert, Jackson, Burrows, and Mahomes. The GMs added enough talent around them; I haven't seen it done yet and it had nothing to do with Kirks contract. Mahomes made big money last year and their GM replaced 7 starters with rookies.....so lets quit saying this is or that has been all Kirk's fault.
BUILD A BETTER TEAM.
Talent on offense around Cousins has not been lacking. There is a flaw in your argument here.
Talent wise how did the Offense match up with KC, Cincy, Buffalo, SF, Philly, and Dallas? Do you think we had an explosive offense last year with Thielen at #2 and broken shoulder Cook at RB par with those teams?
We were 8th in Points and 7th in Yards.
How much more talent does Kirk need?
Exactly
It's like JJ, Theilen, Hockenson, Cook and company are just a bunch of shlubs.
We BEAT Buffalo with this offense. Buffalo would love to have our running game. Any of those teams would take JJ. Theilen has for years been among the leagues best at route running and catching the ball....Our talent compares well with all of those teams.
I am no Kirk Cousins Basher....nor am I a Kirk nughugger....but this argument makes no sense,.
and anti Kirkers can easily IMHO argue that with the talent Kirk had around him we should have gone farther....
When you have one of the bottom defenses it makes total sense. Out offense talent compared well during the season; but not in the playoffs---JJ was shutdown because KJ and Thielen really weren't threats and couldn't beat man coverage; JJ and TJ were all the Giants were concerned with. Then you look at the defense.
Addison is a big addition this year as well as Oliver as a 2nd TE but can they somewhat get the defense to be reasonable.
Ofcourse. Before the draft it was, full-time Osborn would ascend to #2 WR and give us more juice / upgrade Thielen. Now that the regime has blasted that out of the water, scrap metal Thielen AND Osborn weren’t good enough to give Cousins the support he requires.
Also, the defense wasn’t on the field for the last two Cousins playoff throws (well, one bad throw and one horrible decision). You can have a generational defense and still be in close games … and you HAVE to have a QB that gives you more on 4th down / 4th quarter of the playoffs. Regardless of the defense.
The Phil two-step continues. Actually, its gotten more elaborate over time … maybe the Phil lambada.
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