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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/22/2023 12:45:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. My view (which may not be fair) is that he was brought in to help the running game. Running game has been disappointing... maybe not his fault... disappointed with the approach. Yeah. running hasn't been good. One caveat though, Tampa has a very good run defense. and Philadephia one of the best Dlines in the game. It's not like we were running against the Vikings defense. Hopefully at some point, measuring ourselves against the better teams iwill be about how competitive we are … not as an excuse for not doing better. That goes for our cream puff record last year.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/22/2023 12:50:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. My view (which may not be fair) is that he was brought in to help the running game. Running game has been disappointing... maybe not his fault... disappointed with the approach. Yeah. running hasn't been good. One caveat though, Tampa has a very good run defense. and Philadephia one of the best Dlines in the game. It's not like we were running against the Vikings defense. Hopefully at some point, measuring ourselves against the better teams iwill be about how competitive we are … not as an excuse for not doing better. That goes for our cream puff record last year. You don't think we were competitive in our last two games?

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/22/2023 1:50:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. My view (which may not be fair) is that he was brought in to help the running game. Running game has been disappointing... maybe not his fault... disappointed with the approach. Yeah. running hasn't been good. One caveat though, Tampa has a very good run defense. and Philadephia one of the best Dlines in the game. It's not like we were running against the Vikings defense. Hopefully at some point, measuring ourselves against the better teams iwill be about how competitive we are … not as an excuse for not doing better. That goes for our cream puff record last year. You don't think we were competitive in our last two games? Did I say we weren't? You said, '... running hasn't been good. One caveat though ... Tampa run defense and Phil Dline ...' are good. I thought you were talking about our run game. I said, 'hopefully at some point' we will measure up to the better teams, not use them as 'an excuse for not doing better.' I also pointed out, for those of us - not you specifically - who wave the 13-4 record around when there's criticism of the regime and how well they've done to this point. Again, at some point I hope we are measured against the good teams by how competitive we are ... not by how far we have to go.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/22/2023 2:01:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. My view (which may not be fair) is that he was brought in to help the running game. Running game has been disappointing... maybe not his fault... disappointed with the approach. Yeah. running hasn't been good. One caveat though, Tampa has a very good run defense. and Philadephia one of the best Dlines in the game. It's not like we were running against the Vikings defense. Hopefully at some point, measuring ourselves against the better teams iwill be about how competitive we are … not as an excuse for not doing better. That goes for our cream puff record last year. You don't think we were competitive in our last two games? Did I say we weren't? You said, '... running hasn't been good. One caveat though ... Tampa run defense and Phil Dline ...' are good. I thought you were talking about our run game. I said, 'hopefully at some point' we will measure up to the better teams, not use them as 'an excuse for not doing better.' I also pointed out, for those of us - not you specifically - who wave the 13-4 record around when there's criticism of the regime and how well they've done to this point. Again, at some point I hope we are measured against the good teams by how competitive we are ... not by how far we have to go. Dont we all. But then what're we going to go back-and-forth about?

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2023 9:54:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. My view (which may not be fair) is that he was brought in to help the running game. Running game has been disappointing... maybe not his fault... disappointed with the approach. Yeah. running hasn't been good. One caveat though, Tampa has a very good run defense. and Philadephia one of the best Dlines in the game. It's not like we were running against the Vikings defense. Hopefully at some point, measuring ourselves against the better teams iwill be about how competitive we are … not as an excuse for not doing better. That goes for our cream puff record last year. You don't think we were competitive in our last two games? Did I say we weren't? You said, '... running hasn't been good. One caveat though ... Tampa run defense and Phil Dline ...' are good. I thought you were talking about our run game. I said, 'hopefully at some point' we will measure up to the better teams, not use them as 'an excuse for not doing better.' I also pointed out, for those of us - not you specifically - who wave the 13-4 record around when there's criticism of the regime and how well they've done to this point. Again, at some point I hope we are measured against the good teams by how competitive we are ... not by how far we have to go. Dont we all. But then what're we going to go back-and-forth about? Im afraid we have a ways to go before we'll be compared to SF I think McCaffray could gain yards even behind our OL

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/23/2023 12:07:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. In regard to Oliver. while the running game has been disappointing it appears Oliver has been doing his job. Not his fault KOC isn't rushing the ball outside. Not sure how or where to look it up but it would be interesting to see where each running play has gone (which side ect). Seems they mostly (like last season) have been up the middle which isn't utilizing Olivers talents. Davenport signing was a bad joke. Guy has spent the majority of his career hurt. Not sure why kwesi thought that would change. 'history of injuries' is on kwesi's 'must-have' list.... To sum up, the early returns on Kwesi have been disappointing, last year's 13-5 record notwithstanding. In spite of the fact we won 13 games last year and started out -6 turnover, huh? But i get it, 0-2 and nervous we cant pull out a win on Sun sucks I'd put it this way. A GM can make a huge impact via talent evaluation through the draft and free agency. If you compare Kwesi's background to almost any other NFL GM, there are two glaring shortcomings: overall football experience and, more specifically, scouting/player personnel. So we hired a guy with no proven track record in an area of great importance to team success. He's about 1/3 of the way through his contract, so no need to conclude too much at this point, but I'm a little worried.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 7:43:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. In regard to Oliver. while the running game has been disappointing it appears Oliver has been doing his job. Not his fault KOC isn't rushing the ball outside. Not sure how or where to look it up but it would be interesting to see where each running play has gone (which side ect). Seems they mostly (like last season) have been up the middle which isn't utilizing Olivers talents. Davenport signing was a bad joke. Guy has spent the majority of his career hurt. Not sure why kwesi thought that would change. 'history of injuries' is on kwesi's 'must-have' list.... To sum up, the early returns on Kwesi have been disappointing, last year's 13-5 record notwithstanding. In spite of the fact we won 13 games last year and started out -6 turnover, huh? But i get it, 0-2 and nervous we cant pull out a win on Sun sucks I'd put it this way. A GM can make a huge impact via talent evaluation through the draft and free agency. If you compare Kwesi's background to almost any other NFL GM, there are two glaring shortcomings: overall football experience and, more specifically, scouting/player personnel. So we hired a guy with no proven track record in an area of great importance to team success. He's about 1/3 of the way through his contract, so no need to conclude too much at this point, but I'm a little worried. I'm very worried.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 8:29:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. In regard to Oliver. while the running game has been disappointing it appears Oliver has been doing his job. Not his fault KOC isn't rushing the ball outside. Not sure how or where to look it up but it would be interesting to see where each running play has gone (which side ect). Seems they mostly (like last season) have been up the middle which isn't utilizing Olivers talents. Davenport signing was a bad joke. Guy has spent the majority of his career hurt. Not sure why kwesi thought that would change. 'history of injuries' is on kwesi's 'must-have' list.... To sum up, the early returns on Kwesi have been disappointing, last year's 13-5 record notwithstanding. In spite of the fact we won 13 games last year and started out -6 turnover, huh? But i get it, 0-2 and nervous we cant pull out a win on Sun sucks I'd put it this way. A GM can make a huge impact via talent evaluation through the draft and free agency. If you compare Kwesi's background to almost any other NFL GM, there are two glaring shortcomings: overall football experience and, more specifically, scouting/player personnel. So we hired a guy with no proven track record in an area of great importance to team success. He's about 1/3 of the way through his contract, so no need to conclude too much at this point, but I'm a little worried. I'm very worried. Youll be all right. You made it this far ... - maybe it's good to know we don't have a shot early intead of stringing us along like last year

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 11:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. In regard to Oliver. while the running game has been disappointing it appears Oliver has been doing his job. Not his fault KOC isn't rushing the ball outside. Not sure how or where to look it up but it would be interesting to see where each running play has gone (which side ect). Seems they mostly (like last season) have been up the middle which isn't utilizing Olivers talents. Davenport signing was a bad joke. Guy has spent the majority of his career hurt. Not sure why kwesi thought that would change. 'history of injuries' is on kwesi's 'must-have' list.... To sum up, the early returns on Kwesi have been disappointing, last year's 13-5 record notwithstanding. In spite of the fact we won 13 games last year and started out -6 turnover, huh? But i get it, 0-2 and nervous we cant pull out a win on Sun sucks I'd put it this way. A GM can make a huge impact via talent evaluation through the draft and free agency. If you compare Kwesi's background to almost any other NFL GM, there are two glaring shortcomings: overall football experience and, more specifically, scouting/player personnel. So we hired a guy with no proven track record in an area of great importance to team success. He's about 1/3 of the way through his contract, so no need to conclude too much at this point, but I'm a little worried. I'm very worried. Youll be all right. You made it this far ... - maybe it's good to know we don't have a shot early intead of stringing us along like last year We should be worried the Vikings are going into an NFL game with Bullard, Phillips, Lowry and Roy as their defensive lineman. Hard to believe there's not some sort of tanking going on, rolling out these guys as your front.

stfrank -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 11:15:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: beo The early returns Davenport and Oliver are disappointing... hope they can turn it around. Davenport hasn't played a snap yet and had a whopping .5 sacks last year. so I wouldn't expect much from him anyway. Oliver has made some catches and done his job blocking....I would hardly call the early return on a TE2 disappointing. In regard to Oliver. while the running game has been disappointing it appears Oliver has been doing his job. Not his fault KOC isn't rushing the ball outside. Not sure how or where to look it up but it would be interesting to see where each running play has gone (which side ect). Seems they mostly (like last season) have been up the middle which isn't utilizing Olivers talents. Davenport signing was a bad joke. Guy has spent the majority of his career hurt. Not sure why kwesi thought that would change. 'history of injuries' is on kwesi's 'must-have' list.... To sum up, the early returns on Kwesi have been disappointing, last year's 13-5 record notwithstanding. In spite of the fact we won 13 games last year and started out -6 turnover, huh? But i get it, 0-2 and nervous we cant pull out a win on Sun sucks I'd put it this way. A GM can make a huge impact via talent evaluation through the draft and free agency. If you compare Kwesi's background to almost any other NFL GM, there are two glaring shortcomings: overall football experience and, more specifically, scouting/player personnel. So we hired a guy with no proven track record in an area of great importance to team success. He's about 1/3 of the way through his contract, so no need to conclude too much at this point, but I'm a little worried. I'm very worried. Youll be all right. You made it this far ... - maybe it's good to know we don't have a shot early intead of stringing us along like last year We should be worried the Vikings are going into an NFL game with Bullard, Phillips, Lowry and Roy as their defensive lineman. Hard to believe there's not some sort of tanking going on, rolling out these guys as your front. And the savior of our O-line has been working out at home and unsigned as even a back up by any other team....... Very worried may be an understatement.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:26:33 PM)
Time to shop Hunter.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:31:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Time to shop Hunter. His value will never be higher.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:32:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Time to shop Hunter. Agreed Hard to believe 3 games in and no one else with a sack I will say it again. This is the worst front 7 in football

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:33:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Time to shop Hunter. His value will never be higher. Sad thing is people will want to will themselves to 9-8 and a WC spot only to get trounced by a quality team

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:36:52 PM)
I’m not thrilled that Jordan Love might be a pretty solid QB…

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:37:48 PM)
Kwesi looking like garbage in a hurry. Serious lack of talent on the field. Wasting time on bringing in a running back.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:46:47 PM)
Zygi at an NFL owners meeting: "So I had Mark whisper 'competitive rebuild' to take the pressure off, and then LOL we brought in a commodities trader as GM, and then we even kept the stat-boy at QB! The fans eat it up!"

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:46:59 PM)
0-3 in one score games. Regression to the mean is a bitch.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:48:36 PM)
I’d take a 4th round pick for Cousins. Come on Kirk, don’t you want to play in NY?

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 3:53:08 PM)
At this rate, he is leading us to a winless season. Maybe hold off on the trade!!

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 4:10:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine 0-3 in one score games. Regression to the mean is a bitch. No kidding. Can't wait for the 13-4 'great job' promoters to roll over on their other side and start huffing about how unfair a few bad breaks are for a team that's 'much better than its 0-3 record'.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 4:15:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine 0-3 in one score games. Regression to the mean is a bitch. No kidding. Can't wait for the 13-4 'great job' promoters to roll over on their other side and start huffing about how unfair a few bad breaks are for a team that's 'much better than its 0-3 record'. The refs huffing killed us again. We should be 3-0.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 4:15:36 PM)
Cards 15-3 over Dallas. We could be top 5 in draft order by tonight!

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 4:17:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine 0-3 in one score games. Regression to the mean is a bitch. No kidding. Can't wait for the 13-4 'great job' promoters to roll over on their other side and start huffing about how unfair a few bad breaks are for a team that's 'much better than its 0-3 record'. The refs huffing killed us again. We should be 3-0. No. Wait. Not sure how to take that. Are you serious?

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/24/2023 4:18:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine I’d take a 4th round pick for Cousins. Come on Kirk, don’t you want to play in NY? I'd take a 4th too. Easily

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