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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

My biggest issue with JJ is that he is coming off a hammy injury. Once the soft tissue injuries start coming, they never seem to stop. I hope I'm wrong.

The guy missed seven games with a hammy injury. That's a lot. I would have some reservations about a massive, long-term contract. I'd like to know when he was really ready to play, or if they held him out because they thought the loss of Cousins meant they had no real chance of making the playoffs. Four weeks later, they are still in the hunt.

Either way, seven games lost to a hammy is a long time. It must have been a bad one.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

Good post, although I'm in the opposite camp (not totally). Wanted to mention yes draft picks are a gamble, and that's why a proven player or players should be part of any deal.

Also, if someone offers the value of the Moss trade you hang up. It's about equal value, but admittedly/again I don't know what that value is.

Anyway, the extension talks are likely to heat up in the offseason and he'll be a Viking. Now that Cousins is out of the way, they can afford JJ (I don't believe he is worth Tyreke Hill money).

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

A tweet with O'Connell answering a question, I assume on his weekly show, which i've never seen and which seems obvious it's re the Bears and prob Broncos finish:

"... youre making decisions as an offense to limit risks knowning maybe youre not at full capacity as far as your personal goes but I do believe in the end ... where we're going to get to as a football team, where we are going ... we're going to have to find ways to win football games ... finish football games, if that takes being more aggressive, kind of buck the trends of the clock, field position, so be it, we're going to do what we feel is best to win each and every opportunity we have left and that's from the first snap and riding that wave until the last snap. That's our job as coaches and we'll continue to improve on that.

https://x.com/verysadvikings/status/1733383627105272200?s=20

I know we'd all like to see a much more aggressive approach to gaining the much needed clock killing first down without turning the ball over or stopping the clock with the opp saving TOs. We'll see..

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

.08?

Oh my!

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

.08?

Oh my!

better stay in tonight, ricky - they're out there looking for you....

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

My biggest issue with JJ is that he is coming off a hammy injury. Once the soft tissue injuries start coming, they never seem to stop. I hope I'm wrong.

The guy missed seven games with a hammy injury. That's a lot. I would have some reservations about a massive, long-term contract. I'd like to know when he was really ready to play, or if they held him out because they thought the loss of Cousins meant they had no real chance of making the playoffs. Four weeks later, they are still in the hunt.

Either way, seven games lost to a hammy is a long time. It must have been a bad one.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

My biggest issue with JJ is that he is coming off a hammy injury. Once the soft tissue injuries start coming, they never seem to stop. I hope I'm wrong.

The guy missed seven games with a hammy injury. That's a lot. I would have some reservations about a massive, long-term contract. I'd like to know when he was really ready to play, or if they held him out because they thought the loss of Cousins meant they had no real chance of making the playoffs. Four weeks later, they are still in the hunt.

Either way, seven games lost to a hammy is a long time. It must have been a bad one.

The injury is a concern.

Christian Watson is a comparison. When he plays, he is very good. But, he had hammy issues at NDSU and it looks like it is continuing with the Packers.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

My biggest issue with JJ is that he is coming off a hammy injury. Once the soft tissue injuries start coming, they never seem to stop. I hope I'm wrong.

The guy missed seven games with a hammy injury. That's a lot. I would have some reservations about a massive, long-term contract. I'd like to know when he was really ready to play, or if they held him out because they thought the loss of Cousins meant they had no real chance of making the playoffs. Four weeks later, they are still in the hunt.

Either way, seven games lost to a hammy is a long time. It must have been a bad one.

I would also love to know when he was ready to play... it certainly could be my biased opinion but I suspect the plan was to hold him out until the bye all along.

That being said.

A guy misses his FRIST games in his fourth year of crazy good production and you immediately jump to getting rid of him?!?!?
(and by the way... he has been one of the LEAST diva like elite WR in the league)

That doesn't strike me as sound franchise management.

If it were chronic injuries... sure, you evaluate... but the idea that this is going to lead chronic issues, lack of production, etc... is RABID speculation.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

I'm in the keep JJ camp.

If you aren't paying huge money to a QB... I don't have a problem paying an extremely young, extremely talented player at a position where you can play out a long contract and reasonably expect to keep level of play or even improve.

I think this team is going to need some superstars for a chance to win it all.
I think our biggest problem of that fun 2017 team was we didn't have any superstars.
The team was absolutely solid across the board.
But no one really dominated or put the team on their back in the playoffs.

The idea that you are going to turn JJ into a draft haul and then turn that into star players is a huge gamble.
I know it's not apples to apples... but Moss netted Napoleon Harris and Troy Williamson... that is absolutely a possibility.

JJ is a known.

ymmv

Have we won games without him... yes.

But I think the last couple games you are seeing what this offense is going to be now that teams know how to neutralize Addison.
Not much fun to watch.

My biggest issue with JJ is that he is coming off a hammy injury. Once the soft tissue injuries start coming, they never seem to stop. I hope I'm wrong.

The guy missed seven games with a hammy injury. That's a lot. I would have some reservations about a massive, long-term contract. I'd like to know when he was really ready to play, or if they held him out because they thought the loss of Cousins meant they had no real chance of making the playoffs. Four weeks later, they are still in the hunt.

Either way, seven games lost to a hammy is a long time. It must have been a bad one.

I would also love to know when he was ready to play... it certainly could be my biased opinion but I suspect the plan was to hold him out until the bye all along.

That being said.

A guy misses his FRIST games in his fourth year of crazy good production and you immediately jump to getting rid of him?!?!?
(and by the way... he has been one of the LEAST diva like elite WR in the league)

That doesn't strike me as sound franchise management.

If it were chronic injuries... sure, you evaluate... but the idea that this is going to lead chronic issues, lack of production, etc... is RABID speculation.

That's not an accurate account of what I said. I never said I wanted to get rid of him.

Without being inside the front office or training room, there is a lot of speculation by all of us. All I said was, seven games to a hammy is a lot and I'd be very concerned about giving him a huge, long-term deal as a result. Without knowing all of the variables, I think that's fair.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just to be clear, I am not solidly in the make BFlo the head coach camp, but I would consider it during the off-season.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just to be clear, I am not solidly in the make BFlo the head coach camp, but I would consider it during the off-season.

If we don't win by a couple of TDs we are so negative. Wait, we haven't won by 2 scores in like 22 games ;)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

It’s all talk until I see him pull his head out of his ass in game critical playcalling..

It’s not just End Of Game ..

Losing yards happens on plays because defenses can make plays.. but running a middle screen on third and short or medium is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire from 2 yards away.

You are playing with fire and the defense is the fire..

You are gonna get burned by being a knucklehead…