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David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 5:07:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty That means the Bears trading us "the next Mahomes Yes, I believe the Bears are stupid enough to do it. Just need to convince them this is another Herschel Walker trade, give them the best offer, and affirm that Fields can still do it for them, he just needs all the pieces surrounding him. And further, convince them that Williams will be a bust, and that he doesn't want to play for the Bears anyway. The Vikings get Caleb Williams, and the dream begins .... Why? Their GM has been "GM-ing" circles around ours....

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 5:10:47 PM)
Cousins inferring but not directly answering a question on a hometown discount = he'll be cheaper. Jefferson saying he hopes to "Break the bank" because he deserves it is just a kid talking = he'll be cheaper. 'Allison' shouting "Let's get paid!" literally minutes after being drafted is just a kid talking = he'll be cheaper. I love the Vikings uniquely uber-collaborative, quasi-socialist contract structure and its new slogan: "Give me millions less so others will have millions more from Kwesi's credit cards."

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 6:43:24 PM)
Our management and ownership are broken.. Our head coach is a square into round pounder of QB pegs.. He has no clue about game flow or how to exploit a weaknesss untillthey stop it more than once. The defense is made up of 2-3 players executing the scheme, and 8 others just trying to not get penalized, burnt for not doing their assignment or thinking their particular position has no bearing on a play as it develops. We have too many c b and safety players who are trying to make splash plays and whiffing badly. Guys who can not cover, even in a zone. They lack the speed to cover ground and close on throws to an area. Sitting down in a Vikings zone isalmost always a guaranteed completion. I am dismayed and aghast at how wide open receivers are in our pass defense.. Man to man is worse than useless against mobile QB’s.. Despite ample evidence from many consistently contending teams, that you offense is only as god ad your control of the LOS is on both side, our management and staff drafts receivers and CB’s, completely ignoring the fact that time to throw or no time to read route trees and make throws against a rush has a far bigger impact on success than the flashy catches made on less than accurate throws. Getting gashed for yards between the 20’s is now completely acceptable. The “ three man rush” is an invitation to let opposing receivers work the zones and pulling guards to lead sweeps and s teens.. Broken philosophy and misuse of personnel, who are marginal at best in most positions, is our well exploited position on both sides of the ball.. Points win games, defense wins games. Yards and completion % are useless mvp contract padding stats.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 8:09:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Situationally this could make for one of the most exciting off seasons. If we land a shiny brand new QB that we all like everything changes. 1. Can Kwesi identify/land one of the best from the group? 2. Can Kevin develop him the right way? 3. Will be have Cousins in the way as the bridge QB? Is there a QB we all like? I don't particularly like any of them. I'm only in favor of trading up for a QB if I see the equivalent of Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow. R U Kidding? This is one of the best classes in a while. Williams, McCarthy, Penix, Maye, and Daniels....also Rattler, Mixon, etc. in the mid rounds. Some also like Nix...he is the one I am most worried about. I'm not kidding. None of them look like Luck or Burrow to me.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 9:25:32 PM)
Why? Their GM has been "GM-ing" circles around ours.... I hope Poles feels that way, gets cocky and decides he can fleece the Vikings by trading the #1 pick to them. The only move I have been impressed with the Bears is Montez Sweat. Their OL still sucks, the Pittsburgh WR sucked, not sure their drafting has been all that great.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 9:43:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm

JT2 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 10:06:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. I’ve read quite a few replies in social media from known, reputable names saying all 32 teams use PFF. I subscribed to PFF a few years ago and can confirm they have some real deep dive stuff. The “game grades” that get circulated amount to almost nothing compare to the whole of what’s available from them. It's strange that he would single out PFF. Almost like a shout out, a plug. There are a multitude of sources available and used by NFL teams. Did he even mention our data/analytics team? Do we have one? What do they do, read PFF reports and report back to the boss? Seriously, I have no clue what our analytics team does. What's their budget? Who is on the team? I would hope any team serious about contending for a championship would build and properly fund a data/analytics team better than one available to all of the other teams.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/12/2024 10:08:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Why? Their GM has been "GM-ing" circles around ours.... I hope Poles feels that way, gets cocky and decides he can fleece the Vikings by trading the #1 pick to them. The only move I have been impressed with the Bears is Montez Sweat. Their OL still sucks, the Pittsburgh WR sucked, not sure their drafting has been all that great. Right. Focus on Claypool, not the deal that got them a very good Moore + your obsession Williams. Probably.

JT2 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 1:36:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Looking forward to moving past 2023 now. Tired of great playoff football, to be honest. Intrigued fascinated roused (not aroused) nervous apprehensive about the offseason. I feel you. I love seeing it and hate that we don't have it.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 4:05:57 AM)
Moore was ok, not sure he is great, and they'll have to be paying him. The Packers seem to draft guys like him in later draft rounds. I did give him credit for Sweat, I think that is a great pick up. I am not obsessed with Williams, I just feel he is the best one, and would be worth taking a chance on him, even if it costs a lot. Otherwise, I would probably stay put and go with Penix or JJ. I am not sure if I would trade up for Maye or Daniels.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 6:00:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young How can any sane person. Watch all of the teams in the entirety of the playoffs, and still stick with the thought that “ Kirk Cousins …[sm=french-french-paris-france-.gif]” What a loser choice for franchise QB.. Cap albatross and definition of “never damn good enough” except for a tight collar choke job when leadership is needed.. I’d take Justin Fields over Cousins.. When a guy with his experience doesn't know you have to spike the ball with no timeouts late in a game... That's all you really need to know. Time to move on. Take your lumps with a rookie That was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. A sixth grader would have known to spike the ball in that instance. O'Connell shouldn't be let off the hook on this one either.

eagleflorida -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 7:31:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Our management and ownership are broken.. Our head coach is a square into round pounder of QB pegs.. He has no clue about game flow or how to exploit a weaknesss untillthey stop it more than once. The defense is made up of 2-3 players executing the scheme, and 8 others just trying to not get penalized, burnt for not doing their assignment or thinking their particular position has no bearing on a play as it develops. We have too many c b and safety players who are trying to make splash plays and whiffing badly. Guys who can not cover, even in a zone. They lack the speed to cover ground and close on throws to an area. Sitting down in a Vikings zone isalmost always a guaranteed completion. I am dismayed and aghast at how wide open receivers are in our pass defense.. Man to man is worse than useless against mobile QB’s.. Despite ample evidence from many consistently contending teams, that you offense is only as god ad your control of the LOS is on both side, our management and staff drafts receivers and CB’s, completely ignoring the fact that time to throw or no time to read route trees and make throws against a rush has a far bigger impact on success than the flashy catches made on less than accurate throws. Getting gashed for yards between the 20’s is now completely acceptable. The “ three man rush” is an invitation to let opposing receivers work the zones and pulling guards to lead sweeps and s teens.. Broken philosophy and misuse of personnel, who are marginal at best in most positions, is our well exploited position on both sides of the ball.. Points win games, defense wins games. Yards and completion % are useless mvp contract padding stats. Good list Dan........................sad though. [:@]

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 8:47:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: David F. I’ve read quite a few replies in social media from known, reputable names saying all 32 teams use PFF. I subscribed to PFF a few years ago and can confirm they have some real deep dive stuff. The “game grades” that get circulated amount to almost nothing compare to the whole of what’s available from them. It's strange that he would single out PFF. Almost like a shout out, a plug. There are a multitude of sources available and used by NFL teams. Did he even mention our data/analytics team? Do we have one? What do they do, read PFF reports and report back to the boss? Seriously, I have no clue what our analytics team does. What's their budget? Who is on the team? I would hope any team serious about contending for a championship would build and properly fund a data/analytics team better than one available to all of the other teams. KAM really wanted to make a splash in that 1st draft. He belly flopped. Outsmarted himself. He just needed to take what was in front of him(Hamilton at #14 or small trade back for McDuffie).

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 9:52:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 10:49:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. if we trade up our first draft pick after a QB will probably be in the 4th round...perhaps we can draft a starting center and save some cap there...should still be some good RBs in the 4th, too.... bpa might be the best way to go, instead of reaching for need on the third day....

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 10:51:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Moore was ok, not sure he is great, and they'll have to be paying him. The Packers seem to draft guys like him in later draft rounds. I did give him credit for Sweat, I think that is a great pick up. I am not obsessed with Williams, I just feel he is the best one, and would be worth taking a chance on him, even if it costs a lot.. Otherwise, I would probably stay put and go with Penix or JJ. I am not sure if I would trade up for Maye or Daniels. Moore was better than ok. I didn’t say he was great although watching him against our CBs (especially the second game) he was devastatingly world class great ... pretty good otherwise ... 96R 1364YDS 14.2AVG 9TDS. Nice GB shoutout there by the way ... meaningless otherwise. I am obsessed with Cousins. I can’t not bash him. Its a filthy bias and I know it bores everybody but I can’t help myself. Oh well ... I think he is the worst one (for us) and he will cost a lot. [example to help others pull through their own psychological hangups]

Lars -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 11:03:13 AM)
You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy). Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more. I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long. HSmith - time to retire. Draft more CB. This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking...

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 11:36:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety).

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 11:52:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs. Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 11:54:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lars You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy). Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more. I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long. HSmith - time to retire. Draft more CB. This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking... We seem to have trouble drafting solid CBs. Rhodes being the last one that really panned out. Go get a proven one in FA.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:02:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm Well, you advocated 'going for it' this year. - "restructure o'neill...$9.2mm" saved and is simply added to his upcoming mega cap hits. - Hunter at $15mm... cheap! Plus his $14.8mm dead cap gets stashed in the future somewhere. - Jefferson from upcoming $19mm to $14 mm. The balloon payments get stashed out there. Did the site provide future total cap numbers after these deals? People certainly have different philosophies.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:22:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lars You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy). Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more. I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long. HSmith - time to retire. Draft more CB. This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking... We seem to have trouble drafting solid CBs. Rhodes being the last one that really panned out. Go get a proven one in FA. We tried with Murphy. He was ok but what really stings is Cine/Booth vetrsus Hamilton/Mcduffy [:-]

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:28:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs. Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams. Agree regarding a top CB. Sneed should be at least $15 million. You mentioned restructuring Hock... guess kicking that cap down the road can help pay for Sneed. On offense, cutting scrub Bradbury means we will need a starting LG and a starting C. We also have to sign a complete set of backup OL because we have zero projected on the roster. WR3. Does that spot default to Nailor? Too bad Powell is a FA (PR/WR4?). Hoped we saved some cap for Darrisaw!

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lars You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy). Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more. I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long. HSmith - time to retire. Draft more CB. This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking... We seem to have trouble drafting solid CBs. Rhodes being the last one that really panned out. Go get a proven one in FA. We tried with Murphy. He was ok but what really stings is Cine/Booth vetrsus Hamilton/Mcduffy [:-] I don't think we could have had both but one would really have made a difference.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:45:44 PM)
Here is the 2024 roster. Blue are under contract, orange are UFAs, and black are RFA. For anyone who believes OL and DL is important, you best not look. https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/MIN Oh, my bad on $6M for the rookie pool. Spotrac factored in the missing 3rd round pick and shows $11.4M and $8.2M (Top 51) for the rookies. Darn salary increases! We also have $3.5M in guaranteed dead cap from Cook and Otomewo. Peanuts! That will likely increase a lot. $6.8 for Davenport seems very likely. So that's about $20 M.

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