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Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:46:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs. Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams. Agree regarding a top CB. Sneed might be at least $15 million. You mentioned restructuring Hock... kicking that cap down the road can help pay for Sneed. On offense, I like the idea of cutting Bradbury but then we will need a starting LG and a starting C. We also have to sign a complete set of backup OL because we have zero projected on the roster. WR3. Does that spot default to Nailor? Too bad Powell is a FA (PR/WR4?). Hoped we saved some cap for Darrisaw! I just think you bottom out to find your QBOTF. We should be able to draft that guy this year. No need to bottom out(for 2025 draft) by gutting team this offseason. We still can try to bring in young talent with our cap situation. We can dump Smith, Cousins and Hunter and find a couple young difference makers in FA. Yes, Cousins and Hunter will still count 18M in 2025 but it is what it is. I would call it a soft rebuild while still remaining somewhat competitive. New QB should benefit from this strategy.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:58:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs. Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams. Agree regarding a top CB. Sneed might be at least $15 million. You mentioned restructuring Hock... kicking that cap down the road can help pay for Sneed. On offense, I like the idea of cutting Bradbury but then we will need a starting LG and a starting C. We also have to sign a complete set of backup OL because we have zero projected on the roster. WR3. Does that spot default to Nailor? Too bad Powell is a FA (PR/WR4?). Hoped we saved some cap for Darrisaw! I just think you bottom out to find your QBOTF. We should be able to draft that guy this year. No need to bottom out(for 2025 draft) by gutting team this offseason. We still can try to bring in young talent with our cap situation. We can dump Smith, Cousins and Hunter and find a couple young difference makers in FA. Yes, Cousins and Hunter will still count 18M in 2025 but it is what it is. I would call it a soft rebuild while still remaining somewhat competitive. New QB should benefit from this strategy. Where do you get $18 million and 2025? Dumping (not extending) Cousins and Hunter will count as 43.4 million in 2024 (28.5 + 14.9) if they hit free agency for even a second. Throw in not extending Davenport (6.8) and the added dead cap for 2024 is $50.2 million. With Cook, it's at $53ish million. We will save $11.4 million by cutting Smith. Call it $42 million as an opening figure in dead cap that comes due next month. BTW, these posts are just fact and do not suggest 'bottoming out'. Maybe you guys can rerun the numbers to account for the missing pieces of the roster. I'm guessing more restructures and void years.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 12:59:34 PM)
I like the idea of exploring trading O'Neil and signing Quessenberry. He did fine and we can use the savings.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 1:47:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). The Def depth chart is pretty bleak. And as you've said, our cap is a mess and its not just about subtracting x and adding y for z amount of dollars to get to competitive. Using sportrac to reconfigure our roster as some posters are doing to suddenly go from 27M today (league average) to 60M by March (which would be in top 5 of the league!) is as real as the new season of Halo. As if everything this offseason is going to be cash up front (on one year deals no less) ... for new blood ... which is exactly the opposite of how Kwesi operates. The biggest hit on our cap in 2024 is a QB not on the roster with a 50/50 chance of being on the roster if I'm generous ... the second biggest cap hit overall is our RT ... then Jefferson (who is campaigning hard for a mega deal) ... the fourth biggest Off player is a TE ... the fifth biggest is a blocking TE ... the sixth biggest is a C ... the seventh biggest is a RB who didn't pan out as the starter ... then finally the LT who is playing for peanuts and will want to get paid ... etc etc And that's on the strong side of the ball! The number one cap hit on defense is a 35 yr old safety ... number two def cap hit is a FA OLB-DE with a no franchise tag clause and a 30/70 chance of being on the roster if I'm generous ... then Murphy, Davenport, Cine, Booth in that order etc etc Its fun to look at sportrac and trade out players like playing cards with dollar values ... but our issues are far deeper. For one, there is absolutely no positional responsibility built into the cap at this point. Big decisions and big non-decisions this offseason. Fixing something that is broken, unlike the last two years of augmenting something that was just warped. Warped with a big basecoat of 13-4 lipstick hiding our short, middle and long term financial prospects, our roster and the quality of our staff / coaching. C'mon Kwesi ... try something different.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 2:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I like the idea of exploring trading O'Neil and signing Quessenberry. He did fine and we can use the savings. O'Neill has become the Vikings' restructuring cash cow...it doesn't make much sense to trade him this season, only $3.2mm saved, but in 2025, we'd save over $11mm if traded - unless he's restructured this offseason again....

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 2:28:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I like the idea of exploring trading O'Neil and signing Quessenberry. He did fine and we can use the savings. O'Neill has become the Vikings' restructuring cash cow...it doesn't make much sense to trade him this season, only $3.2mm saved, but in 2025, we'd save over $11mm if traded - unless he's restructured this offseason again.... Good info. I'm as knowledgably as KAM [&:][:-]

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 5:04:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I like the idea of exploring trading O'Neil and signing Quessenberry. He did fine and we can use the savings. O'Neill has become the Vikings' restructuring cash cow...it doesn't make much sense to trade him this season, only $3.2mm saved, but in 2025, we'd save over $11mm if traded - unless he's restructured this offseason again.... There were 4 teams with over $65 million in dead cap: GB, LA Rams, TB, and Arizona Cardinals....3 out of the 4 made the playoffs.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 5:48:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). The Def depth chart is pretty bleak. And as you've said, our cap is a mess and its not just about subtracting x and adding y for z amount of dollars to get to competitive. Using sportrac to reconfigure our roster as some posters are doing to suddenly go from 27M today (league average) to 60M by March (which would be in top 5 of the league!) is as real as the new season of Halo. As if everything this offseason is going to be cash up front (on one year deals no less) ... for new blood ... which is exactly the opposite of how Kwesi operates. The biggest hit on our cap in 2024 is a QB not on the roster with a 50/50 chance of being on the roster if I'm generous ... the second biggest cap hit overall is our RT ... then Jefferson (who is campaigning hard for a mega deal) ... the fourth biggest Off player is a TE ... the fifth biggest is a blocking TE ... the sixth biggest is a C ... the seventh biggest is a RB who didn't pan out as the starter ... then finally the LT who is playing for peanuts and will want to get paid ... etc etc And that's on the strong side of the ball! The number one cap hit on defense is a 35 yr old safety ... number two def cap hit is a FA OLB-DE with a no franchise tag clause and a 30/70 chance of being on the roster if I'm generous ... then Murphy, Davenport, Cine, Booth in that order etc etc Its fun to look at sportrac and trade out players like playing cards with dollar values ... but our issues are far deeper. For one, there is absolutely no positional responsibility built into the cap at this point. Big decisions and big non-decisions this offseason. Fixing something that is broken, unlike the last two years of augmenting something that was just warped. Warped with a big basecoat of 13-4 lipstick hiding our short, middle and long term financial prospects, our roster and the quality of our staff / coaching. C'mon Kwesi ... try something different. A big bingo! Part of the problem is due to the fallout of ripping off some band-aids (justified), and part of it is due to not ripping off enough band-aids (pull the wool over their eyes criminal). Coupled with the dismal 2022 draft, we are nowhere. 7-10 with some defensive smoke and mirrors is about right. Flores deserves to be the Pepsi DC of the year with that bunch. Ahem, at least through week 14 or whenever it was when Sean Payton said watch this and dropped the mic. There are numerous articles, videos, and posts showing how we can tame the cap and gain talent right away. They ALL require additional cap liabilities that are kicked into oblivion and evaporate into pixie dust. Apparently all that dead cap and those high salaries won't matter later in this win now soft rebuild with a yet to be drafted QB. And NONE of them say how they will pay for all the loose ends of the existing roster, dead cap, rookie wages, etc. We have about 6 real starters on offense and maybe 5 on defense. As for backups, LMAO.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 6:13:19 PM)
How about backups. QB - basically none with Mullens, Hall RB - Mattison, Nwangwu, Akers (RFA) WR - basically nobody beyond JJ, Addison, and Nailor OL - none but Brandel is an RFA and we need a starting LG TE - we always have a bunch of them DL - none (3 total DL on the projected roster, although Tonga is an RFA) LB - none (4 total on the projected roster) CB - basically none with Booth, Thompson behind Blackmon, Toast Evans, and Murphy S - basically none Ward, Jackson, Cine behind Metellus and Bynum (presumes Smith will be cut) Put that into your cap/roster calculator and smoke it!

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 7:14:02 PM)
Sooo many holes.. gaping Grand Canyon type holes.. So much dead cap tying our hands in FA. Brilliant idea.. guaranteed contracts and void years… JFC I wouldn’t want this team to manage my retirement fund, unless I could trick them into something” fully guaranteed” Cousins raped this team for six years and tens of millions of dollars.. Homers are all like “ bUt.. HiS sTaTs.. 13-4!… WeCaNtDoBeTtER…” [&o]

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 9:40:46 PM)
Drafting well is what we need. Qweazy's track record thus far is a D-. Not impressed with any of his other band-aid FA moves either. Not inking Hunter nor trading him for draft capital was just flat out stupid. He is as good as gone and the edge cupboard is bare. Not a cheap nor easy position to replace esp if you suck at drafting. I'm sure Qweazy will go shopping for FA's at the hospital again this offseason and sign some more cripples on prove it deals like Davenport. It's simply time to face the facts that the direction of this regime is rutterless and are future looks like we'll be cellar dwellers in the division for the seeable future.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/13/2024 10:14:47 PM)
Can turn it around 2 years with a few right moves.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 6:50:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro is rutterless …. Grammar police, here… Not A Word… rudderless [&:]

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 9:59:18 AM)
If Hunter walks, some people will say oh, we'll get a 3rd round pick back in compensation. Not necessarily, but probably so if we are not big players in FA. Per the last sentence, maybe we will be in the running for a supplemental pick to take a QB in the 7th round in 2025 (I thought comp and supp picks were the same thing but they are not). The NFL uses a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors to determine which players are classified as CFAs. Teams that suffer a net loss in CFAs receive a corresponding number of compensatory picks. For example, a team that lost three CFAs in free agency but signed two would be awarded one comp pick. The formula, which is confidential, also determines where these comp picks fall in the draft based on the net value loss of CFAs by a team. Just like no more than 32 comp picks can be handed out, no team can be awarded more than four in a single draft. Conversely, if fewer than 32 comp picks are handed out, the remaining number is distributed to teams based on draft order. These are called supplemental selections. Not sure about 32 being the max number based on this from NFL.com: The NFL announced on Thursday it has awarded 37 compensatory picks to 16 teams for the 2023 NFL Draft,

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 10:30:36 AM)
28 days to free agency, 25 or so to the legal tampering period! We'll be flying in the top FAs... splash signings... dinners at Manny's... not letting top FAs leave w/o a contract... backing up the Brinks Truck(s)... the excitement of being a major force with just a couple of deft moves and a slew of brand new credit cards[&:][&:][&:]

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 10:59:26 AM)
If Hunter walks, to me, is a really pivotal moment for KAM. Coupled with his other whiffs, that would be it for me if I were the owner. It's one of the most important positions in todays game and you get jack squat for him? [:-] it's not like we were pushing for a SB so we had to take the chance. Everyone knew that last year wasn't "it" for us so you have to be smart and maximize your assets. Hell, he was a commodity trader for God's sake.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 11:12:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro is rutterless …. Grammar police, here… Not A Word… rudderless [&:] Rutterless could be a word. It could apply to a male deer with ED during breeding season.

Pauldiercks1 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 11:21:18 AM)
I keep hearing soft rebuild and we can remain competitive. Why? for what purpose? Is being somewhat competitive even desirable? To me it is not. I would prefer to rebuild, suck and suck bad. As a fan this would much more desirable and exciting. But I'm different in that I'm not in the instant gratification group. Two years of not winning and adding high end young talent would excite me more than I have been for years. What does 9-8 or 8-9 do for me? Absolutely nothing but kill draft capital and limits options to gain massive draft capital. You could say we remained competitive this year and it's turning out to be a massive bummer. We also should have gutted the team mid season or even before Cousins was injured but we didn't. I don't know if the Vikings say competitive rebuild to appease some fans or what but it's just another great way to never get the cap straightened out and remain not good enough to ever be a threat to win a championship. Just getting into the playoffs with no real shot is a yawner at my age. It only brings in revenue for the organization. Like I said I'm big picture not instant gratification. I can only hope the Vikings organization is as well instead of selling fake hope to ignorant fans year after year. those are to different paths to take to success.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 1:06:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen 28 days to free agency, 25 or so to the legal tampering period! We'll be flying in the top FAs... splash signings... dinners at Manny's... not letting top FAs leave w/o a contract... backing up the Brinks Truck(s)... the excitement of being a major force with just a couple of deft moves and a slew of brand new credit cards[&:][&:][&:] Business as usual. With a deep dark secret of ethical and financial depravity. Oh the humanity of it!

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 1:07:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro is rutterless …. Grammar police, here… Not A Word… rudderless [&:] Rutterless could be a word. It could apply to a male deer with ED during breeding season. Good one.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 1:10:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser If Hunter walks, to me, is a really pivotal moment for KAM. Coupled with his other whiffs, that would be it for me if I were the owner. It's one of the most important positions in todays game and you get jack squat for him? [:-] it's not like we were pushing for a SB so we had to take the chance. Everyone knew that last year wasn't "it" for us so you have to be smart and maximize your assets. Hell, he was a commodity trader for God's sake. Not sure I agree. Some in the 'anything can happen' crowd are still leaving Dia de los Muertos sacrifices at the shrine of 13-4.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 3:23:46 PM)
Those people are delusional… This team is built like crap for today’s NFL. The difference between playoff caliber teams and what this team trots out week after week are as obvious as the Deer in the headlights” look of our QB’s after one hurry/ sack / interception.. Our playcalling reflects conservative play not to lose and it does the exact opposite.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 6:04:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 I keep hearing soft rebuild and we can remain competitive. Why? for what purpose? Is being somewhat competitive even desirable? To me it is not. I would prefer to rebuild, suck and suck bad. As a fan this would much more desirable and exciting. But I'm different in that I'm not in the instant gratification group. Two years of not winning and adding high end young talent would excite me more than I have been for years. What does 9-8 or 8-9 do for me? Absolutely nothing but kill draft capital and limits options to gain massive draft capital. You could say we remained competitive this year and it's turning out to be a massive bummer. We also should have gutted the team mid season or even before Cousins was injured but we didn't. I don't know if the Vikings say competitive rebuild to appease some fans or what but it's just another great way to never get the cap straightened out and remain not good enough to ever be a threat to win a championship. Just getting into the playoffs with no real shot is a yawner at my age. It only brings in revenue for the organization. Like I said I'm big picture not instant gratification. I can only hope the Vikings organization is as well instead of selling fake hope to ignorant fans year after year. those are to different paths to take to success. So, you want to get our QBOTF (this year)and then tank. Sounds like how the Texans wrecked David Carr. I prefer the Mahomes approach. Let's go 9-8 or 8-9 with a QBOTF. That's all I'm saying. Then keep on building.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 6:11:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs. Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams. Agree regarding a top CB. Sneed might be at least $15 million. You mentioned restructuring Hock... kicking that cap down the road can help pay for Sneed. On offense, I like the idea of cutting Bradbury but then we will need a starting LG and a starting C. We also have to sign a complete set of backup OL because we have zero projected on the roster. WR3. Does that spot default to Nailor? Too bad Powell is a FA (PR/WR4?). Hoped we saved some cap for Darrisaw! I just think you bottom out to find your QBOTF. We should be able to draft that guy this year. No need to bottom out(for 2025 draft) by gutting team this offseason. We still can try to bring in young talent with our cap situation. We can dump Smith, Cousins and Hunter and find a couple young difference makers in FA. Yes, Cousins and Hunter will still count 18M in 2025 but it is what it is. I would call it a soft rebuild while still remaining somewhat competitive. New QB should benefit from this strategy. Where do you get $18 million and 2025? Dumping (not extending) Cousins and Hunter will count as 43.4 million in 2024 (28.5 + 14.9) if they hit free agency for even a second. Throw in not extending Davenport (6.8) and the added dead cap for 2024 is $50.2 million. With Cook, it's at $53ish million. We will save $11.4 million by cutting Smith. Call it $42 million as an opening figure in dead cap that comes due next month. BTW, these posts are just fact and do not suggest 'bottoming out'. Maybe you guys can rerun the numbers to account for the missing pieces of the roster. I'm guessing more restructures and void years. Spotrac. We are 28M under for 2024(49 players signed) right now with the dead cap counting. Before any moves(cutting Smith, Lowry, etc....) 2025 Cousins and Hunter still have dead cap numbers totaling 18M.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/14/2024 6:28:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to.... If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB. A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL. that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world.... let go of Harry and other dead-weight players... extend hunter.... sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line.... sign a CB.... draft a QB.... three years?....let's go this season, baby.... JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB. What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency. Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players? spotrac: Bradbury...$5.7mm lowry...$4.5mm hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out) smith...$11.5mm rework jefferson...$5mm restructure o'neill...$9.2mm present effective cap space...$20mm adjusted cap space total...$70mm jefferson...$already factored in hunter...$15mm top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year) Mid-tier DL...$6mm mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm CB...$5mm sub total of new deals...$61.mm new effective cap space...$9mm I did the spotrac manage roster deal too. We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson. Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think. Kwesi still needs a home run off season though. Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out. Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense: DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety). Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs. Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams. Agree regarding a top CB. Sneed might be at least $15 million. You mentioned restructuring Hock... kicking that cap down the road can help pay for Sneed. On offense, I like the idea of cutting Bradbury but then we will need a starting LG and a starting C. We also have to sign a complete set of backup OL because we have zero projected on the roster. WR3. Does that spot default to Nailor? Too bad Powell is a FA (PR/WR4?). Hoped we saved some cap for Darrisaw! I just think you bottom out to find your QBOTF. We should be able to draft that guy this year. No need to bottom out(for 2025 draft) by gutting team this offseason. We still can try to bring in young talent with our cap situation. We can dump Smith, Cousins and Hunter and find a couple young difference makers in FA. Yes, Cousins and Hunter will still count 18M in 2025 but it is what it is. I would call it a soft rebuild while still remaining somewhat competitive. New QB should benefit from this strategy. Where do you get $18 million and 2025? Dumping (not extending) Cousins and Hunter will count as 43.4 million in 2024 (28.5 + 14.9) if they hit free agency for even a second. Throw in not extending Davenport (6.8) and the added dead cap for 2024 is $50.2 million. With Cook, it's at $53ish million. We will save $11.4 million by cutting Smith. Call it $42 million as an opening figure in dead cap that comes due next month. BTW, these posts are just fact and do not suggest 'bottoming out'. Maybe you guys can rerun the numbers to account for the missing pieces of the roster. I'm guessing more restructures and void years. Spotrac. We are 28M under for 2024 right now with the dead cap counting. Before any moves(cutting Smith, Lowry, etc....) 2025 Cousins and Hunter still have dead cap numbers totally 18M. OK, I was reading what you wrote a bit different. They are currently listed in Spotrac because right now they are under contract. But they are in red signifying a void year as of now. Nevertheless, if we "dump" Cousins and Hunter as you say then in a month the dead cap from ALL the void years accelerate and the aggregate/lump sum becomes payable at once. For those two players, it's $43.4 million. So for simplicity, our current $28 million surplus becomes a negative $15 million (just from those two players) on March 14 at 4:00 EST if they are not under contract. I threw in Davenport as well, and with him the total debited from our surplus is $50 million. Unless we extend them before next month, they will be off the books for good. Make sense?

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