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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

As much as a dumpster fire that KAM has been there's not enough flame thrown on RS by the fans as there should be IMO.

At least Spielman was finally fired. And he started out handling the cap pretty well.

Word Salad came out firing away with as many credit cards as he could hide in his sockless penny loafers, then proceeded to whiff with his "Watch how I make the #12 overall pick evaporate" Cine and Booth bust picks.

Yeah, I started that research thinking it was bad but was blown away with how bad it was. This is a HUGE draft for KAM. If he doesn't blow it out of the water he needs to go.

Just the way they are handling the KC's situation is just rookie-ish. He is, essentially, holding them hostage. They commented that they can't work on the Hunter situation until Kirk is sorted. What a dumbass org. They are going to loose for a shitty comp pick. [X(]

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Agree on the upcoming draft. An average draft, by definition, does not move the needle WRT the other teams.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

P.S., Henry would look great in our backfield. Third and two would be an automatic first down.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

P.S., Henry would look great in our backfield. Third and two would be an automatic first down.

We’d pitch it to him to right and attempt a 40 yard downfield shot to Muse. We are the Vikings after all 😜

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I get it.

Kwesi had visions of signing the next HC / Off playcaller in the mold of McVay (LaFleur, etc) and pounced after the Rams' SB win.

After the GM / HC old school - defensive flavored meltdown ... I was completely on board with the 'fresh new Turk' approach.

Unfortunately, both dudes seem like they are feeling their way through the process, arm in arm.

Neither seem like they came to the table with an aggressive new vision of how to make the Vikings competitive.

We won a hell of a lot of games in 2021. Incredible. But what was the state of the team at the end of 2021 (not the beginning and middle)? We limped into the playoffs and choked to the only team worse than us in the playoffs.

I'm sorry but as a die-hard Vikings fan, any choking that's not in a SB is a very poor showing LOL.

Kevin was an OC-in-title-only in LA for 2 seasons ... on a team, by the way, that had passing and run game coordinators, as well as playcaller McVay.

By most accounts,

Kevin had a big impact on the Rams offense, although I'm not sure if anybody besides McVay knows what that was. The Rams have sucked on offense since Kevin left, that says a lot.

To my eyesight, Kevin must have been very involved in gameplanning and getting the offense ready to play. Calling plays, in game adjustments ... not so much.

Hard to know. Everybody Kevin has played or coached with talks about being very impressed with him.

Maybe he'll make a big jump this season as a playcaller.

But its a jump that needs to be made ... or we just don't have the right person in place. IMO

Was there ever a clear answer on why we didn't hire Harbaugh two years ago? Money? Control?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I get it.

Kwesi had visions of signing the next HC / Off playcaller in the mold of McVay (LaFleur, etc) and pounced after the Rams' SB win.

After the GM / HC old school - defensive flavored meltdown ... I was completely on board with the 'fresh new Turk' approach.

Unfortunately, both dudes seem like they are feeling their way through the process, arm in arm.

Neither seem like they came to the table with an aggressive new vision of how to make the Vikings competitive.

We won a hell of a lot of games in 2021. Incredible. But what was the state of the team at the end of 2021 (not the beginning and middle)? We limped into the playoffs and choked to the only team worse than us in the playoffs.

I'm sorry but as a die-hard Vikings fan, any choking that's not in a SB is a very poor showing LOL.

Kevin was an OC-in-title-only in LA for 2 seasons ... on a team, by the way, that had passing and run game coordinators, as well as playcaller McVay.

By most accounts,

Kevin had a big impact on the Rams offense, although I'm not sure if anybody besides McVay knows what that was. The Rams have sucked on offense since Kevin left, that says a lot.

To my eyesight, Kevin must have been very involved in gameplanning and getting the offense ready to play. Calling plays, in game adjustments ... not so much.

Hard to know. Everybody Kevin has played or coached with talks about being very impressed with him.

Maybe he'll make a big jump this season as a playcaller.

But its a jump that needs to be made ... or we just don't have the right person in place. IMO

Was there ever a clear answer on why we didn't hire Harbaugh two years ago? Money? Control?

I dont remember there being a clear answer. But based on the not hiring of Harbaugh’s prickly / hard to work with reputation and the hiring of Collaborator Kevin … personality seems like a bigger factor than experience with success.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

P.S., Henry would look great in our backfield. Third and two would be an automatic first down.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I get it.

Kwesi had visions of signing the next HC / Off playcaller in the mold of McVay (LaFleur, etc) and pounced after the Rams' SB win.

After the GM / HC old school - defensive flavored meltdown ... I was completely on board with the 'fresh new Turk' approach.

Unfortunately, both dudes seem like they are feeling their way through the process, arm in arm.

Neither seem like they came to the table with an aggressive new vision of how to make the Vikings competitive.

We won a hell of a lot of games in 2021. Incredible. But what was the state of the team at the end of 2021 (not the beginning and middle)? We limped into the playoffs and choked to the only team worse than us in the playoffs.

I'm sorry but as a die-hard Vikings fan, any choking that's not in a SB is a very poor showing LOL.

Kevin was an OC-in-title-only in LA for 2 seasons ... on a team, by the way, that had passing and run game coordinators, as well as playcaller McVay.

By most accounts,

Kevin had a big impact on the Rams offense, although I'm not sure if anybody besides McVay knows what that was. The Rams have sucked on offense since Kevin left, that says a lot.

To my eyesight, Kevin must have been very involved in gameplanning and getting the offense ready to play. Calling plays, in game adjustments ... not so much.

Hard to know. Everybody Kevin has played or coached with talks about being very impressed with him.

Maybe he'll make a big jump this season as a playcaller.

But its a jump that needs to be made ... or we just don't have the right person in place. IMO

Was there ever a clear answer on why we didn't hire Harbaugh two years ago? Money? Control?

I dont remember there being a clear answer. But based on the not hiring of Harbaugh’s prickly / hard to work with reputation and the hiring of Collaborator Kevin … personality seems like a bigger factor than experience with success.

I believe Michigan upped his contract.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Not looking to accept a fair offer, expecting a good offer. A lot of people are saying he was so confident he wasn’t able to read the room. He put his feet up on the dinner table, lit a cigar, and ssid; Let’s get this done and then get some hookers and blow. Am I right Wilfey?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Not looking to accept a fair offer, expecting a good offer. A lot of people are saying he was so confident he wasn’t able to read the room. He put his feet up on the dinner table, lit a cigar, and ssid; Let’s get this done and then get some hookers and blow. Am I right Wilfey?

Yes thats exactly what I read but I took the dignified route, you went with the more accurate debauched version.

The other commonly speculated part of that is Kwesi pushed for Harbaugh but others in the org said no thanks.

Didn’t take long for Kwesi to jump from Harbaugh to slicing hands with Kevin and taking a blood brother oath.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Not looking to accept a fair offer, expecting a good offer. A lot of people are saying he was so confident he wasn’t able to read the room. He put his feet up on the dinner table, lit a cigar, and ssid; Let’s get this done and then get some hookers and blow. Am I right Wilfey?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Not looking to accept a fair offer, expecting a good offer. A lot of people are saying he was so confident he wasn’t able to read the room. He put his feet up on the dinner table, lit a cigar, and ssid; Let’s get this done and then get some hookers and blow. Am I right Wilfey?

If I remember correctly he and many other coaches took a reduced salary due to COVID and zero attendance during the that season...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Are you saying we wanted a less expensive head coach due the Covid situation?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Are you saying we wanted a less expensive head coach due the Covid situation?

No, I believe he (Jim not Kwesi) was working on getting his contract situation restored to pre Covid whether it was Michigan or the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Are you saying we wanted a less expensive head coach due the Covid situation?

No, I believe he (Jim not Kwesi) was working on getting his contract situation restored to pre Covid whether it was Michigan or the NFL.

Interesting. I went back and read 3-4 articles from that time period, far from comprehensive, but didn’t see that.

Regardless of the variables, it seems clear that each party walked in with different intentions. Worked out for Michigan, not so much us.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

RE: negotiations on JJs contract

"Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk believes the sticking point is a policy from Vikings ownership about guaranteeing more than one year on new contracts for non-quarterbacks. His claim/report/theory is that the Wilfs have a rule against including full guarantees on future years. They made an exception for Kirk Cousins in 2018, but don't want to do so again. That's the story, at least." https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/florio-contract-structure-sticking-point-vikings-justin-jefferson

Kirk Cousins will probably get ranked by many as a top five MN Viking QB all-time (I don't). Others realize his greatest contribution was burning the franchise enough to eventually make our non-committal shoulder-shrugging ownership pay a little bit of attention to their investment..