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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'd take him.

Michael Penix Jr: SPECIAL Talent With Some Baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUN_4zochQY&ab_channel=TankSports

At 11? His injury history scares the hell out of me but I love his talent.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'd take him.

Michael Penix Jr: SPECIAL Talent With Some Baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUN_4zochQY&ab_channel=TankSports

At 11? His injury history scares the hell out of me but I love his talent.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

HOF then?[&:]

McCarthy had a sensational team around him. He doesn't strike me as a great NFL player.

Here is some of the other quarterbacks that won national titles over the past 20 years. It doesn't equate to greatness in the NFL:

Stetson Bennett
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Tua
Trevor Lawrence
Jalen Hurts
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
AJ McCarron
Cam Newton
Greg McElroy
Tim Tebow
Matt Flynn
Chris Leek
Vince Young
Matt Leinert
Matt Mauck
Craig Krenzel

7 of those have had a lot of success. Way better than average success rate for QB draft picks.

I count five or six. Burrow, Tua, Hurts, Cam. Lots of money spent on Watson for very little return (Flacco had the most success on that team in 2023). The jury is still (very much) out on Lawrence, IMO.

The bottom line is, winning in college does not equate to being a great NFL quarterback.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'd take him.

Michael Penix Jr: SPECIAL Talent With Some Baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUN_4zochQY&ab_channel=TankSports

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

I don't always drink beer, but when I do I prefer Dos Equis. I mean I don't always agree with Brad but I do on McCarthy. he is this years Trey Lance.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

I don't always drink beer, but when I do I prefer Dos Equis. I mean I don't always agree with Brad but I do on McCarthy. he is this years Trey Lance.

In what way?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

I don't always drink beer, but when I do I prefer Dos Equis. I mean I don't always agree with Brad but I do on McCarthy. he is this years Trey Lance.

In what way?

Real young for starters. Wasn't asked to do much in that offense which leave a lot of unanswered questions.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'd take him.

Michael Penix Jr: SPECIAL Talent With Some Baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUN_4zochQY&ab_channel=TankSports

At 11? His injury history scares the hell out of me but I love his talent.

Probably.

Too many teams drafting mid-late teens that need a QB and could poach him if we try to trade down (or up from our 2nd)..

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'd take him.

Michael Penix Jr: SPECIAL Talent With Some Baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUN_4zochQY&ab_channel=TankSports

At 11? His injury history scares the hell out of me but I love his talent.

Injury history, pocket awareness, and wonky release are all issues with me.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

And McCarthy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXCMQCxghW0&ab_channel=PocketPresence

This dude does really solid breakdowns. He had Williams and Daniels as well. No Penix yet.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Drake Maye underwhelms...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNh0rMarmbQ&ab_channel=PocketPresence

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

No problem with trading JJ.

But ZERO interest in Fields. I'd rather have more draft picks and they can keep him.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Lars

No problem with trading JJ.

But ZERO interest in Fields. I'd rather have more draft picks and they can keep him.

Love Fields. Give me an athlete. That's what wins in 2024.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.

JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.