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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Silly and stupid. Why? Because Nix is running a pro-style offense.

Bo Nix's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6
Brock Purdy's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6

The second guy had the top passer-rating in the NFL in 2023. You gonna criticize him for completing nothing but short passes?

Again, doing some homework before posting is a great way of not making ones self look stupid. You need to quit finding the analysts that give you the opinions you want, and just look at the facts. It could go a long ways.

And even if he was running some sort of offense where an inordinate amount of passes were completed behind the line of scrimmage, Nix wasn't the one calling the plays. He just ran them. And for what it's worth, he ran them to near perfection. I don't see a problem with that.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.

I don't agree that Pro Bowls are non subjective ... non-deserving players make the team all the time while deserving players are left off. (All Pros is closer to objective but still partly a popularity contest).

Even so, you get a hall pass for admitting that's what you could come up with.

To each their own.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.

I don't agree that Pro Bowls are non subjective ... non-deserving players make the team all the time while deserving players are left off. (All Pros is closer to objective but still partly a popularity contest).

Even so, you get a hall pass for admitting that's what you could come up with.

To each their own.

It's a non subjective criteria. In other words making or not making the Pro Bowl is simply a matter of fact. Who is deserving of pro bowls is subjective. Is Cousins a media darling? Is that why he makes the Pro Bowl? He's more of a whipping boy. You tell me a fair objective Criteria we could use for comparison. Of course since it would have to wait until the players in question have completed their careers we both may be dead before we could declare a winner.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Silly and stupid. Why? Because Nix is running a pro-style offense.

Bo Nix's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6
Brock Purdy's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6

The second guy had the top passer-rating in the NFL in 2023. You gonna criticize him for completing nothing but short passes?

Again, doing some homework before posting is a great way of not making ones self look stupid. You need to quit finding the analysts that give you the opinions you want, and just look at the facts. It could go a long ways.

And even if he was running some sort of offense where an inordinate amount of passes were completed behind the line of scrimmage, Nix wasn't the one calling the plays. He just ran them. And for what it's worth, he ran them to near perfection. I don't see a problem with that.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I think this would be a fun exercise. Say who you think we will get in the first round and who you realistically hope we will get.
I think we get McCarthy.
I hope we get McCarthy and Murphy very optimistic I know, but it could happen.
More realistically Nix and Jackson Powers-Johnson. QB/C pair.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.

I don't agree that Pro Bowls are non subjective ... non-deserving players make the team all the time while deserving players are left off. (All Pros is closer to objective but still partly a popularity contest).

Even so, you get a hall pass for admitting that's what you could come up with.

To each their own.

It's a non subjective criteria. In other words making or not making the Pro Bowl is simply a matter of fact. Who is deserving of pro bowls is subjective. Is Cousins a media darling? Is that why he makes the Pro Bowl? He's more of a whipping boy. You tell me a fair objective Criteria we could use for comparison. Of course since it would have to wait until the players in question have completed their careers we both may be dead before we could declare a winner.

A complete non sequitur. The pro bowl is barely more than fancy potato sack race participation ribbon.

Lets say you get selected Dec 23, 2022 because your team is 11-3 but then you go on to almost single-handedly get your team knocked out of its first playoff game ... its not much of a legitimate honor really.

Maybe if we called it the regular season pro bowl. But we don't which is a sham because the pro bowl should include the playoffs and SB when deciding the best players of any given year, don't you think?

Or, lets say you get into the pro bowl as an injury replacement fill-in, as Kirk did in 2016 (for Matt Ryan), 2017 (for Rogers), 2020 (for Rogers), 2022 (for Rogers).

But you go ahead and evaluate the greatness of QBs by their pro bowl appearances, be it starter or injury fill-in.

I'll continue to focus on what they can do for you in the playoffs.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

As I posted the Cards are open for business. If it goes Williams/Maye/Daniels we can jump the Giants and get JJ. If we wait for 5 I think we get boxed out.

If Washington takes Daniels I think we go to 3 for Maye.

Delicious anticipation.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Silly and stupid. Why? Because Nix is running a pro-style offense.

Bo Nix's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6
Brock Purdy's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6

The second guy had the top passer-rating in the NFL in 2023. You gonna criticize him for completing nothing but short passes?

Again, doing some homework before posting is a great way of not making ones self look stupid. You need to quit finding the analysts that give you the opinions you want, and just look at the facts. It could go a long ways.

And even if he was running some sort of offense where an inordinate amount of passes were completed behind the line of scrimmage, Nix wasn't the one calling the plays. He just ran them. And for what it's worth, he ran them to near perfection. I don't see a problem with that.

Wow this is unprecedented. Brad and I thinking almost exactly alike.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Silly and stupid. Why? Because Nix is running a pro-style offense.

Bo Nix's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6
Brock Purdy's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6

The second guy had the top passer-rating in the NFL in 2023. You gonna criticize him for completing nothing but short passes?

Again, doing some homework before posting is a great way of not making ones self look stupid. You need to quit finding the analysts that give you the opinions you want, and just look at the facts. It could go a long ways.

And even if he was running some sort of offense where an inordinate amount of passes were completed behind the line of scrimmage, Nix wasn't the one calling the plays. He just ran them. And for what it's worth, he ran them to near perfection. I don't see a problem with that.

I appreciate your fact-based approach. Do you think you are consistent with that?

Darnold is a good get because he's a good guy? McCarthy sucks because of 15 minutes of play that you watched? Facts! Homework!

Right now you look the fool.

I do admire your ability to forget your legacy of misses. Carry on wise one.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Some scouting reports on the great reader of defences:
NEGATIVES

— Oregon did not ask a lot of him as a processor down the field. Ton of screens, RPOs and simple vertical concepts.

— Inconsistent dropback footwork. Too often disrupts his timing when working full-bodied dropback passing concepts

— Below-average ability to find answers within structure when first read is taken away.

— Inconsistent toughness in the pocket. Shows good flashes, but too often falls away from throws.

— Inconsistent dropback footwork. Too often disrupts his timing when working full-bodied dropback passing concepts.


-Field vision / Pre-snap reads: By far, my biggest concerns with Nix are his field vision and pre-snap reads. Nix is an absolute wizard when improvising, and he can always hit a primary read quickly. However, the offense Nix plays in does not ask him to progress through reads in the way he will need to in the NFL. Also, most of Nix’s interceptions at Oregon were due to his lack of vision pre-snap. These interceptions were often on pre-snap decisions where intelligent defensive backs could easily read Nix and make a play on the ball.

I believe that Nix can grow in this area, but it will, at the very least, cause him to likely be unable to step in and start somewhere right away until he can adapt and improve in this regard.


2023 Review:
In 2023 (pending the bowl game), Nix has displayed an outstanding season statistically in SOME categories. Here are some of the stats that are not being discussed which are red flags when evaluating quarterbacks.

Completion % on throws of 20+ yards: 52.3%

Average depth of target: 6.7 yards

YAC (Yards After Catch) for QBs: No. 1

SOS (Strength of Schedule) No. 62

He lacks progression skills and feels more comfortable checking down or throwing slips where his wide receivers have to contribute to the workload.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Nix's numbers are the direct result of being able to throw a ton of short and intermediate passes and having receivers with the best YAC in college football. He doesn't read defenses well and is iffy going through progressions.

Nix in the first round is strictly a desperation pick.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.

I don't agree that Pro Bowls are non subjective ... non-deserving players make the team all the time while deserving players are left off. (All Pros is closer to objective but still partly a popularity contest).

Even so, you get a hall pass for admitting that's what you could come up with.

To each their own.

It's a non subjective criteria. In other words making or not making the Pro Bowl is simply a matter of fact. Who is deserving of pro bowls is subjective. Is Cousins a media darling? Is that why he makes the Pro Bowl? He's more of a whipping boy. You tell me a fair objective Criteria we could use for comparison. Of course since it would have to wait until the players in question have completed their careers we both may be dead before we could declare a winner.

A complete non sequitur. The pro bowl is barely more than fancy potato sack race participation ribbon.

Lets say you get selected Dec 23, 2022 because your team is 11-3 but then you go on to almost single-handedly get your team knocked out of its first playoff game ... its not much of a legitimate honor really.

Maybe if we called it the regular season pro bowl. But we don't which is a sham because the pro bowl should include the playoffs and SB when deciding the best players of any given year, don't you think?

Or, lets say you get into the pro bowl as an injury replacement fill-in, as Kirk did in 2016 (for Matt Ryan), 2017 (for Rogers), 2020 (for Rogers), 2022 (for Rogers).

But you go ahead and evaluate the greatness of QBs by their pro bowl appearances, be it starter or injury fill-in.

I'll continue to focus on what they can do for you in the playoffs.

Injury replacement tarnishes the honor a bit. So far every time Kirk got in it was as an injury replacement. I didn't know that. Don't they take 3 from each conference? Or is it 4? Regardless you have to play pretty well to make it. If Rogers wasn't such a wimp and Kirk such an Ironman he wouldn't have made as many.

Is leading your team to 31 points singlehandedly knocking them out of a playoff game? Yeah on a tough play he didn't get a first down. He shouldn't of had to. How many points did our Def give up in that playoff game? Yet it was Kirk who single handedly got us knocked out. How was Kirk's protection on that play? Yet it was Kirk who single handedly got us knocked out. Kirk deserves 99% of the blame for us losing that game right?

If our draft pick becomes part of super bowl championships I will definitely give him some props for his participation. I'll hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Silly and stupid. Why? Because Nix is running a pro-style offense.

Bo Nix's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6
Brock Purdy's yards-per-attempt in 2023....9.6

The second guy had the top passer-rating in the NFL in 2023. You gonna criticize him for completing nothing but short passes?

Again, doing some homework before posting is a great way of not making ones self look stupid. You need to quit finding the analysts that give you the opinions you want, and just look at the facts. It could go a long ways.

And even if he was running some sort of offense where an inordinate amount of passes were completed behind the line of scrimmage, Nix wasn't the one calling the plays. He just ran them. And for what it's worth, he ran them to near perfection. I don't see a problem with that.

I appreciate your fact-based approach. Do you think you are consistent with that?

Darnold is a good get because he's a good guy? McCarthy sucks because of 15 minutes of play that you watched? Facts! Homework!

Right now you look the fool.

I do admire your ability to forget your legacy of misses. Carry on wise one.

Not what I said about Darnold. I surmised that he was a good get because he is cheap and has played with terrible talent as a starter in both his stops in New York and Carolina. This will be the most talent he has ever had around him. For the money, well worth giving him a last chance. Would you disagree with that? The fact that he's a good guy never played into my analysis.

Secondly, I never said McCarthy sucked. Not sure where you got that one. I said he was a spitting image of his coach, Jim Harbaugh, and that he played from in front for most of his collegiate career in a run-heavy offense with little-to-no, two-minute experience. Again, am I way off on that?

As for Nix, I've said everything I needed to say. He ran a pro-style offense and did it as good as anyone in the country. He didn't call the plays, he just ran them. Someone even had the audacity to say he had limited arm talent. He threw for 4,500 yards, 45 touchdowns and had a 77.4% completion percentage. Limited arm talent? Man, he must have been spectacular at everything else to put up those kind of numbers with limited arm talent.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.

Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?

Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)

You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.

I don't agree that Pro Bowls are non subjective ... non-deserving players make the team all the time while deserving players are left off. (All Pros is closer to objective but still partly a popularity contest).

Even so, you get a hall pass for admitting that's what you could come up with.

To each their own.

It's a non subjective criteria. In other words making or not making the Pro Bowl is simply a matter of fact. Who is deserving of pro bowls is subjective. Is Cousins a media darling? Is that why he makes the Pro Bowl? He's more of a whipping boy. You tell me a fair objective Criteria we could use for comparison. Of course since it would have to wait until the players in question have completed their careers we both may be dead before we could declare a winner.

A complete non sequitur. The pro bowl is barely more than fancy potato sack race participation ribbon.

Lets say you get selected Dec 23, 2022 because your team is 11-3 but then you go on to almost single-handedly get your team knocked out of its first playoff game ... its not much of a legitimate honor really.

Maybe if we called it the regular season pro bowl. But we don't which is a sham because the pro bowl should include the playoffs and SB when deciding the best players of any given year, don't you think?

Or, lets say you get into the pro bowl as an injury replacement fill-in, as Kirk did in 2016 (for Matt Ryan), 2017 (for Rogers), 2020 (for Rogers), 2022 (for Rogers).

But you go ahead and evaluate the greatness of QBs by their pro bowl appearances, be it starter or injury fill-in.

I'll continue to focus on what they can do for you in the playoffs.

Injury replacement tarnishes the honor a bit. So far every time Kirk got in it was as an injury replacement. I didn't know that. Don't they take 3 from each conference? Or is it 4? Regardless you have to play pretty well to make it. If Rogers wasn't such a wimp and Kirk such an Ironman he wouldn't have made as many.

Is leading your team to 31 points singlehandedly knocking them out of a playoff game? Yeah on a tough play he didn't get a first down. He shouldn't of had to. How many points did our Def give up in that playoff game? Yet it was Kirk who single handedly got us knocked out. How was Kirk's protection on that play? Yet it was Kirk who single handedly got us knocked out. Kirk deserves 99% of the blame for us losing that game right?

If our draft pick becomes part of super bowl championships I will definitely give him some props for his participation. I'll hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

You are correct, every pro bowl selects 3 QBs for each conference so … an injury replacement doesnt even get in as a backup. Lame.

Even more lame is how you switch between ‘team game’ as an excuse for Kirk’s playoff performances / won-loss record when it suits your argument. You can’t blame him for losses but then ‘he single-handedly’ put up 31 points in the Giants game.

It IS a team game but in your hands that’s just a weak sauce excuse to justify the end result of pro bowler Cousins’ performances. Some of us evaluate his performences on their own, good and bad, and also with in the context of his wins and losses.

He hasn’t gotten it done.

This is a place that exists outside your ability to think clearly. You can’t get there, what’s worse, you prefer not to.