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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

KOC showed he didn't suck, and a 13-3 season was a good start.

You negative Nellies would have driven Belichek out of NE after just a year or 2.

Let's see what KOC does with a good QB, maybe we'll get the chance to see how he does with a HOF QB.

LOL. You went from boasting about KOC to 'he doesn't suck.'

I can't believe you are bending the knee to Bill so easily.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

In 2013 Miami moved from 12 to 3 for said 1st and #42.

Kwesi must be looking at that and that’s where his stand on #11 and a 2025 1st comes from.

Has a team ever shipped 2 #1’s for the #3 pick. IDK. I’m just going by an article that talks of the last 3 trades for #3.

If no one has then 2 #1’s should satisfy “precedent setting” whether Kwesi wins big and it’s 24/25 or we have to go 11/23.

Forget 3#1’s plus plus but I can see Kwesi coming out on the ‘had to do what we had to’ and get the deal done with 11/23 25 1st. Maybe any day now.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

KOC showed he didn't suck, and a 13-3 season was a good start.

You negative Nellies would have driven Belichek out of NE after just a year or 2.

Let's see what KOC does with a good QB, maybe we'll get the chance to see how he does with a HOF QB.

LOL. You went from boasting about KOC to 'he doesn't suck.'

I can't believe you are bending the knee to Bill so easily.

So now the Vikings went "13-3".

Fluke season. 11-0 in one score games. An NFL record. Boy, that quickly changed in 2023.

And you'd think if someone is trying to make a belittling point by using the winningest coach in NFL history, they'd at least be able to spell his name correctly.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

I don't know if KOC is a good QB coach or not. Cousins, Mullens, Dobbs and Hall couldn't lead a bloodhound to a T-bone no matter who is coaching them.

Right ... again, he did squeeze more out of Stafford and something out of Cousins.

McCown coached with Reich for one year I think ... Phillips with KOC and McVay ... don't know much about passing game coach Angelichio or game management coordinator Cordell

... so the staff is definitely a bunch of little cornichons vs big pickles.

We need to magically draft a unicorn QB prospect and defensive help. Then sign an IOL or two and WR along the way to training camp.

Only then IMO will we see KOC start to become the HC we want.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
KOC apologists are as bad as trumpers.
13 wins was a once in a million set of pure luck.
KFC was worse after the miracle season.. KFC couldn’t coach or playcall or scheme to beat weak teams
We face a far tougher schedule on paper this upcoming season..
I’m betting Darnold gets lost in KOC word salad playcalling and the offense struggles just like last season.
and KAM couldn’t find talent if it was shoved up his ass..
My opinion..

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
KOC apologists are as bad as trumpers.
13 wins was a once in a million set of pure luck.
KFC was worse after the miracle season.. KFC couldn’t coach or playcall or scheme to beat weak teams
We face a far tougher schedule on paper this upcoming season..
I’m betting Darnold gets lost in KOC word salad playcalling and the offense struggles just like last season.
and KAM couldn’t find talent if it was shoved up his ass..
My opinion..

KAM apparently doesn't have scouts or coaches that feed him opinon? He just trusted the wrong one(s) on Cine and Booth.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
KOC apologists are as bad as trumpers.
13 wins was a once in a million set of pure luck.
KFC was worse after the miracle season.. KFC couldn’t coach or playcall or scheme to beat weak teams
We face a far tougher schedule on paper this upcoming season..
I’m betting Darnold gets lost in KOC word salad playcalling and the offense struggles just like last season.
and KAM couldn’t find talent if it was shoved up his ass..
My opinion..

KAM apparently doesn't have scouts or coaches that feed him opinon? He just trusted the wrong one(s) on Cine and Booth.

I don't blame anyone for Cine.

A few games into his rookie season he breaks his leg, compound fracture even (that means part of the bone was sticking out of the skin). I don't think anyone is ever the same after an injury like that. That and with Josh Metellus and Cam Bynum playing well in front of him...

Booth, he had an injury history in college, it wasn't a matter of if he'd get hurt, it was when. They should have avoided him with a ten foot pole.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

In 2013 Miami moved from 12 to 3 for said 1st and #42.

Kwesi must be looking at that and that’s where his stand on #11 and a 2025 1st comes from.

Has a team ever shipped 2 #1’s for the #3 pick. IDK. I’m just going by an article that talks of the last 3 trades for #3.

If no one has then 2 #1’s should satisfy “precedent setting” whether Kwesi wins big and it’s 24/25 or we have to go 11/23.

Forget 3#1’s plus plus but I can see Kwesi coming out on the ‘had to do what we had to’ and get the deal done with 11/23 25 1st. Maybe any day now.

Why would two #1s be “precedent setting”? Because its less than the three #1s the 49ers gave up for the #3 pick just a couple years ago?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

If KAM is responsible for pulling the trigger on those picks, he needs to get better info or maybe listen to people who actually know football..

I have no idea who or why those two wastes of roster space are or were put on or kept on the roster..

The draft process is in a shambles.. passing on players they should draft because the talent is patently obvious.. and pick up players that do not translate to NFL level talent.

It’s like we have a set of idiots in the draft war room. Possibly scouts and talent evaluation being “ overruled by the egomaniac, smartest commodity trader in the room..


I actually dread watching the draft, because obvious talent get passed over for “ trade back picks or picks are made for damaged players..

PENIx scares the hell out of me..

He suffered season ending injuries against college level competition, either though his inability to avoid or just plain dumb play.

The NFL will crumple him like an empty beer can

This team hasn’t had an NFL level offensive line across the board, in over a decade, and it shows , come time for playoffs, when protection and LOS control are at a premium.

I’m sick of drafting WR’s who are all about being a diva and wanting big money, just because the NFL has skewed the game to passing and scoring shootouts..

I’m starting to lose interest in this team, because if hasn’t been relevant for over a decade..

Season records and individual stats do not win playoff games.

It takes a type of roster toughness that has been completely lost on this teams coaches and management.

Nothing I can do but watch in horror and yell at my TV..

Watching the play clock tick down to 1-2 seconds, even after a time out.. tells me that KOC is Nico and an idiot.

How can an NFL OL and QB not see and understand the play clock?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

If KAM is responsible for pulling the trigger on those picks, he needs to get better info or maybe listen to people who actually know football..

I have no idea who or why those two wastes of roster space are or were put on or kept on the roster..

The draft process is in a shambles.. passing on players they should draft because the talent is patently obvious.. and pick up players that do not translate to NFL level talent.

It’s like we have a set of idiots in the draft war room. Possibly scouts and talent evaluation being “ overruled by the egomaniac, smartest commodity trader in the room..


I actually dread watching the draft, because obvious talent get passed over for “ trade back picks or picks are made for damaged players..

PENIx scares the hell out of me..

He suffered season ending injuries against college level competition, either though his inability to avoid or just plain dumb play.

The NFL will crumple him like an empty beer can

This team hasn’t had an NFL level offensive line across the board, in over a decade, and it shows , come time for playoffs, when protection and LOS control are at a premium.

I’m sick of drafting WR’s who are all about being a diva and wanting big money, just because the NFL has skewed the game to passing and scoring shootouts..

I’m starting to lose interest in this team, because if hasn’t been relevant for over a decade..

Season records and individual stats do not win playoff games.

It takes a type of roster toughness that has been completely lost on this teams coaches and management.

Nothing I can do but watch in horror and yell at my TV..

Watching the play clock tick down to 1-2 seconds, even after a time out.. tells me that KOC is Nico and an idiot.

How can an NFL OL and QB not see and understand the play clock?

Erin Henderson, this month:

Folks don't want to hear this but as long as the Vikes locker room is filled with nice guys they ain't gonna win. Attitude reflects leadership and the Vikes are a nice family oriented organization top to bottom.

In reply to the fanbase wanting Zimmer: Zim wasn't a dawg. He was just a dick.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I wasn't trying to belittle anyone, I was just trying to say those speaking negatively on KOC, would have been the same type of people that would have driven Belichick from Cleveland.

I agree that Donatell should have been fired much sooner, I posted on here wanting him fired after game 2. I may have been a little early, but he should have been fired by December.

However, keeping Donatell around did lead to Kirk failing in the playoffs, and getting rid of Kirk this off-season. Had Donatell been fired in December of 2022, and the Vikings beat the Giants in the playoff game, we might have gotten stuck with Kirk for another 3 or 4 wasted years.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
It takes a type of roster toughness that has been completely lost on this teams coaches and management.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

A Letter to NFL GMs

“Truth is, I’d be more worried if I had never been injured. We don’t all come back the same. I know the storms I’m prepared to weather. For most people that’d be the end of their story. But there’s more to my story, and I own every page of it.”

“So I have no problem taking all the MRIs and X-rays you ask of me… Truth is, it’s an EKG that will tell you everything you need to know about me.”

Mike

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/michael-penix-jr-nfl-draft-ncaa-football-university-of-washington