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So far today we have learned:

1. There is no rebuild even though a likely 85% of the players on the roster are new since 2022.
2. There certainly is no multi-year effort/rebuild.
3. Donnatell's defense was "top half" in 2022.
4. Last year's defense was "top 7" then finished "top 12". This cannot be based on points nor yards allowed but is a carryover point that has been reinforced today.

Actually all we learned today is that Bill is retracking that "FA's can't be signed with our current salary cap", we can't fill out a competitive roster with our cap, he never said we should tank, and in no shape or form did he ever post about Kwesi using the Credit Card the last 3 months.

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And even with that, we do NOT have "the most": https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

Geez o flip. Phil, battered all day, pretty much loses his mind.

Nah I know that Harry isn't playing for 18 million in either 2024 or 2025 but keep the faith Bill that they will tank.....and you can try going back to the Kwesi Card Card bit that failed miserably.

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So how did Kwesi do with his Credit Card in the first few days of FA Bill? That is what should be talked about but you just can't do it...

1) 8-9 or 7-10 isn't my sweet spot...just like acknowledging the 13-4 season isn't your sweet spot either.
2) the defense was a top half defense in 2023 with many injuries...it was in the top 7 until they hit.....whether you care to acknowledge it or not. Cap has been talked about on Skor North and others (Sean Bormann) where we will have a ton of cap in 2025---that is what was mentioned just the last two days.
3) Acknowledging the job Kwesi, Flores, and KOC did in FA the first few days isn't your sweet spot either.
4) Tanking is your sweet spot.

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space? [&:]

Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.

Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way. [&:]
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense

This was a big day. A good day.

Don't start crowing over something that hasn't happened yet and warp it with asinine projections.

None of these people, including Cousins have signed yet. All need to pass physicals which, after reading David's Seifert piece, is no given.

Then there's the structure of the contracts ... and how well we've set it up to add more pieces next year and the year after.

And more than just a DT and CB away from a decent defense much less top 5.

The league year hasn't even started and we're awesome!

Good luck with that.

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Finally we look to be clearing huge contracts and dead money that have been holding back this team for years. We may suck for a season or 2 but at least most of our cap space won't be wasted on guys no longer with the team. I'm not sold on our drafting ability, but at least we now have a chance to build a good team without having 50% of our money going to a few players.

Yep. Sort of step 1 of the rebuild. A year late but better than never happening.

Step 1 happened last year with Thielen and Kendricks.

I meant that multi-year phase is basically concluded.

Teams can rebuild a team in a year if done correctly and tanking isn't ever the solution. This became a 3 year purge of bad contracts because of the stupidity of Rick.

What's your point? What team has rebuilt in a year? KC with their OL and having Mahomes? And you don't know whether tanking isn't ever the solution. We'll see how the Bears do.

But who cares with that speculation. THIS rebuild is a multi-year effort. It's already in year three and barring a miracle it will be a couple more years before the gaps can be adequately addressed. Not just addressed... adequately addressed.

They aren't tanking is the point and no it isn't a multi-year effort. The defense and offense are both top half just like last year and the year before. Injuries derailed 2023 not a tank or rebuild.

Cook, Thielen, and Kendricks were replaced and their replacements actually did as well.

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How convenient that Kwesi signs injured guys, and when things don't go well Phil blames... injuries! And BFI (before the injuries, pick a year), gee we were top 7, 10, 12... pick a number out your arse!

You are in liplock with Kwesi Phil. Perfect synch. A tag team for the ages! Phil wins!

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How convenient that Kwesi signs injured guys, and when things don't go well Phil blames... injuries! And BFI (before the injuries, pick a year), gee we were top 7, 10, 12... pick a number out your arse!

You are in liplock with Kwesi Phil. Perfect synch. A tag team for the ages! Phil wins!

That's pretty dam funny.

Spielman didn't seem to have a problem with injuries but Kwesi takes it to a whole new level.

Couple that with how paper thin our roster depth has gotten at most positions ...

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Like several posters have stated, will there be adequate cap when it's time to make a push?

In your child-like zeal, I don't expect you to follow that as those things go right over your head.

I see the parameters for Cashman are out. Cap hits of 4, 8, 10 million. He won't see that last year unless he becomes a star at age 30. So if (hopefully 'when') we are needing to finalize a real competitive roster (not a Phil competitive one), his position is already vacant.

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Also weird that Bill mentions prayer when he struggles to complement GMs on good moves.

Oh yeah Kwesi and Rick make bad moves. Kwesi had a bad draft in 22. Kwesi has made a lot of good and very good moves this week with help from Flores.

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Like several posters have stated, will there be adequate cap when it's time to make a push?

In your child-like zeal, I don't expect you to follow that as those things go right over your head.

I see the parameters for Cashman are out. Cap hits of 4, 8, 10 million. He won't see that last year unless he becomes a star at age 30. So if (hopefully 'when') we are needing to finalize a real competitive roster (not a Phil competitive one), his position is already vacant.

That same thing applies in reverse. You don’t know Jack yet on the cap either. Yet what have you been doing for months?

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Also weird that Bill mentions prayer when he struggles to complement GMs on good moves.

Oh yeah Kwesi and Rick make bad moves. Kwesi had a bad draft in 22. Kwesi has made a lot of good and very good moves this week with help from Flores.

That first sentence came out an illogical mess.

It remains to be seen whether Kwesi made a lot of good and very good moves this week. I'm hopeful. But can they essentially double their collective snap counts each year... and play well?

You know so much, I guess the Lord passed you the answer. Bravo! Like I said, Phil & Kwesi. THE perfect match.

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Also weird that Bill mentions prayer when he struggles to complement GMs on good moves.

Oh yeah Kwesi and Rick make bad moves. Kwesi had a bad draft in 22. Kwesi has made a lot of good and very good moves this week with help from Flores.

That first sentence came out an illogical mess.

It remains to be seen whether Kwesi made a lot of good and very good moves this week. I'm hopeful. But can they essentially double their collective snap counts each year... and play well?

You know so much, I guess the Lord passed you the answer. Bravo! Like I said, Phil & Kwesi. THE perfect match.

I actually am hopeful Flores FO and scouting skills did it. Are you getting religious on us? God Bless You!! May he show you the many errors in your ways.

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Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong. [&:]

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I don’t pray for sports teams but feel free to do your own bidding. I would actually pray for you before any sports team.

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I don’t pray for sports teams but feel free to do your own bidding. I would actually pray for you before any sports team.

Even though you have an in with the big guy WRT Kwesi, don't pray for me, ever.

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Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong. [&:]

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.