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Toby Stumbo -> General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 9:47:33 AM)

A new season deserves a fresh thread......And what a start to the season, I went from "it's time to fire them all, everyone of these losers" to "holy shit, we rule".

Go Vikes!



Lars -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 10:56:18 AM)

I agree with Trek's $0.02 on the page you just archived.

I would add: Kyler is trash. I would much prefer we roll with Wentz and JJM.

And the Puke complaining about refs is classic. [&:][&:][&:]



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 11:01:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

I agree with Trek's $0.02 on the page you just archived.

I would add: Kyler is trash. I would much prefer we roll with Wentz and JJM.

And the Puke complaining about refs is classic. [&:][&:][&:]


I had that disagreement with a bunch of siblings.......they say start Wentz. Problem is he has no ceiling but he is steady and his floor is better than Murray or JJ.

You have to start and develop Kyler or JJ for the end game if you have SB ambitions. Wentz is Joe Kapp.

By the end of the season Kyler or JJ have to be the QB and playing well for us to have a chance......if your best QB by playoffs is Wentz you are playing for 2nd place in every playoff game.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 11:54:25 AM)

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.



Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 12:10:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

I agree with Trek's $0.02 on the page you just archived.

I would add: Kyler is trash. I would much prefer we roll with Wentz and JJM.

And the Puke complaining about refs is classic. [&:][&:][&:]


I had that disagreement with a bunch of siblings.......they say start Wentz. Problem is he has no ceiling but he is steady and his floor is better than Murray or JJ.

You have to start and develop Kyler or JJ for the end game if you have SB ambitions. Wentz is Joe Kapp.

By the end of the season Kyler or JJ have to be the QB and playing well for us to have a chance......if your best QB by playoffs is Wentz you are playing for 2nd place in every playoff game.

I wasn't under the impression you were of the age to have watched Joe Kapp.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 12:15:15 PM)

Turner might've been the best player on the field. 2 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF, SEVEN QB hits and even his penalty netted us 3 points thanks to bad coaching by GB. He is so strong, fast and explosive. He was absolutely everywhere.

Pierre was our best CB. 4 Tackles, 1 INT, 2 PDs. Showed a knack for being around the ball.

The middle of our defense is a major concern. If we don't get pressure, its wide open on every play. Our ILBs and Safeties can not cover at all. Love was feasting on it until we started Teeing Off on him. He loses accuracy badly when he starts taking hits. Not every QB we face will be the same.

Max Bredeson was really good after a shaky first quarter. He was just blowing guys up. Was a major factor in short run situations & goal line scoring drives. Dude is special. Great draft pick.

ST coaching continues to be a problem. Reichard and Price paper over some of it.

Murray looked really bad before he got knocked out. That first pass was inexcusable. JJ bailed him out on another. The play he got hurt was a dirty hit, but Kyler was also really late going down.

Wentz looked like a guy that needed to shake off the rust - and by the 4th quarter, he did. I can't stress how happy it is that he burned the Packers with an "Aaron Rodgers Special". He goes through his reads like a Pro, but that said, he has cement feet and a tendency to double clutch the ball. I don't seem him lasting the full season.

Brandle was OK at C. Fries was a disaster. Running game did not look much improved. Playcalling was standard KOC. Not imaginative, predictable and we were snapping the ball at 1 second far too often. I will give KOC credit for not abandoning the running game.

Packers are a very mediocre team that we made look good for 2.5 quarters. Bears will be a much tougher challenge.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 12:49:13 PM)

Minnesota Vikings starting quarterback Kyler Murray will start Week 2 in the league’s concussion protocol.

It wasn’t mentioned in the broadcast, but Kyler was “fencing” with his arms and legs after the hit meaning he was knocked out and his brain was scrambled for at least 5 to 10 seconds. That is not good and I think he’ll be out for more than a week and likely for 2-3 weeks if not more. Below is the video explained by a doctor that shows it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ky4TKhrR1o



Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 1:14:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.



Murray was waayyyyyy more shaky than I expected even before the injury. The stupid YOLO ball, missed passes and quick exits were troubling to say the least.

Edit, sorry. I hadn't read your post yet. I basically just parroted what you already mentioned,



Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 1:19:58 PM)

Fries was a disaster. Running game did not look much improved. Playcalling was standard KOC. Not imaginative, predictable


Yeap. I mentioned Fries in the GDT. He was horrific. I was hoping/banking he's be much better after a year past his injury.

I just shook my head in disbelief after the first offensive play of the game. Jones up the gut for no gain. Typical. I've said a couple times. I like KOC as the HC but really wish he would turn over the offense to someone else.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 1:25:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.



Murray was waayyyyyy more shaky than I expected even before the injury. The stupid YOLO ball, missed passes and quick exits were troubling to say the least.

Edit, sorry. I hadn't read your post yet. I basically just parroted what you already mentioned,


I think he's 100% reliant on being the fastest guy on the field. And he isn't anymore.



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 1:54:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.


3 series isn't enough to know.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:00:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.


3 series isn't enough to know.


How about 7 years?



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:02:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

I agree with Trek's $0.02 on the page you just archived.

I would add: Kyler is trash. I would much prefer we roll with Wentz and JJM.

And the Puke complaining about refs is classic. [&:][&:][&:]


I had that disagreement with a bunch of siblings.......they say start Wentz. Problem is he has no ceiling but he is steady and his floor is better than Murray or JJ.

You have to start and develop Kyler or JJ for the end game if you have SB ambitions. Wentz is Joe Kapp.

By the end of the season Kyler or JJ have to be the QB and playing well for us to have a chance......if your best QB by playoffs is Wentz you are playing for 2nd place in every playoff game.

I wasn't under the impression you were of the age to have watched Joe Kapp.


All kinds of video out there and I have seen old games.

Steve Dils or Joe Kapp is what you are getting........maybe the Brad Johnson version after TB won the SB.



Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:03:45 PM)

I’m not buying in on this team..

They got extremely lucky in the fourth quarter.

Flores got burned soo many time over the middle..

The Puke could have grown seam routs all day.

Defense was why we won.

Our offense was anemic and predictable.

The number of open receivers, either missed completly, or thrown off target ball was inexcusable.

Wentz is what he is..

Murray is not a good QB and McCarty is a coward.

I’m still looking for a sea change, including HC.

KOC is not “IT”.



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:06:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.


3 series isn't enough to know.


How about 7 years?


You can have your opinion......IMO Wentz is a good backup and his best was probably 8 years ago? I would be fine with 2024 Murray.



Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:15:07 PM)

I’m still looking for a sea change, including HC.

KOC is not “IT”.


I think he's a bit worried. He gave Teasley a game ball [&:]



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:15:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Kyler Murray is 29 years old. There isn't anything left to develop.

Wentz is the least bad option.


3 series isn't enough to know.


How about 7 years?


You can have your opinion......IMO Wentz is a good backup and his best was probably 8 years ago? I would be fine with 2024 Murray.


Too bad we have 2026 Murray. And KOC coaching him.

I'd be fine with 2021 Carson Wentz...

We have 3 bad QBs on the roster and an even worse one on the PS.

Odds are, we'll see all 3 of them this year (We'd have to waive someone to bring up Max).

Wentz is the least bad of a bad group.

JJ is the only one with potential upside, but he's so far from being even adequate I don't see how he gets there.



Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 2:25:55 PM)

Not sure what to make of this but I keep hearing it. Every "the Vikings are getting their asses kicked and somehow win the game" NFL record now belongs to KOC. [:-]



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 3:46:46 PM)

For the longest time, GB's defenders were all over the Minnesota backfield.

Given their incredible lack of OL experience, I thought we would have been swarming them the entire game and not just the second half.

But GB faded late. Like they have in their last 5-6 games.

Good division test next week. Then @ TB, Miami, @ NO, Colts. After those there should have a good idea how we rank among the mediocre teams. Then there are 4 tougher opponents in Nov.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 3:48:59 PM)

Important stuff regarding the "Emergency QB".

quote:

The emergency quarterback can only enter the game in the event that the #1 and #2 quarterback are deemed unavailable for play, whether due to injury or disqualification. A team can’t put their emergency quarterback into the game for performance-based reasons.

Conversely, if a team does put their emergency quarterback into the game after their first two quarterbacks get injured and one of their top two quarterbacks then gets cleared to return, the emergency quarterback must immediately come out of the game in favor of the active quarterback. If the active quarterback is re-injured, the emergency quarterback can come back into the game.


So JJ only could've come into the game if both Murray and Wentz were injured or ejected.

Where it gets interesting is this week, where we're most likely only going to be able to field 2 injury-prone QBs:

quote:

The Emergency Third Quarterback must be on the club’s 53-player roster; the player cannot be an elevated Practice Squad player. The club’s starting quarterback (QB1) and its backup quarterback (QB2) must also be on the club’s 53-player roster.


So the only way Brosmer can be the emergency QB is if we cut someone from the active roster and elevate Max. So most likely if we need a 3rd QB against the Bears, it'll end up being a position player.



Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 4:20:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Not sure what to make of this but I keep hearing it. Every "the Vikings are getting their asses kicked and somehow win the game" NFL record now belongs to KOC. [:-]

*regular season record

I can’t figure it out. The game planning doesn’t seem to be that good until half way through the third quarter. So I would say in-game adjustments but coming out of halftime doesn’t seem that much better. Everything seems so robotic until the final sprint … which to my untrained biased eye seems to be more about taking advantage of good breaks / bad officiating / and especially an inability to adjust by our opponent … than JUST good coaching adjustment by KOC. That’s part of it but … for example, four of our drives were extended yesterday by penalty mistakes. That’s ball bounce, not skill.

Whatever it is, both KOC and Flores have a real knack for out-strategizing other teams at the end of games.

Unfortunately, both have failed to get their players to match the execution and intensity of other teams come playoff time.

Yesterday was a blast but even against the creampuff Packers team that has now lost six straight games going back to last year, you see our same vulnerabilities on both sides of the ball just waiting to be exploited down the road.

We still need new blood to even sniff being a legit contender. At a minimum, one solid CB and one solid IOL. And we desperately need another viable backup qb besides wentz and murray to at least have a enough to rotate in and out of the mash tent. JJ and Brosmer do nothing for us in season.



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 4:27:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Not sure what to make of this but I keep hearing it. Every "the Vikings are getting their asses kicked and somehow win the game" NFL record now belongs to KOC. [:-]

*regular season record

I can’t figure it out. The game planning doesn’t seem to be that good until half way through the third quarter. So I would say in-game adjustments but coming out of halftime doesn’t seem that much better. Everything seems so robotic until the final sprint … which to my untrained biased eye seems to be more about taking advantage of good breaks / bad officiating / and especially an inability to adjust by our opponent … than JUST good coaching adjustment by KOC. That’s part of it but … for example, four of our drives were extended yesterday by penalty mistakes. That’s ball bounce, not skill.

Whatever it is, both KOC and Flores have a real knack for out-strategizing other teams at the end of games.

Unfortunately, both have failed to get their players to match the execution and intensity of other teams come playoff time.

Yesterday was a blast but even against the creampuff Packers team that has now lost six straight games going back to last year, you see our same vulnerabilities on both sides of the ball just waiting to be exploited down the road.

We still need new blood to even sniff being a legit contender. At a minimum, one solid CB and one solid IOL. And we desperately need another viable backup qb besides wentz and murray to at least have a enough to rotate in and out of the mash tent. JJ and Brosmer do nothing for us in season.


I don't think we are any more than a playoff contender with Wentz. I agree also about Brosmer but we haven't seen him since last year. There is hope for JJ but it is a lot less than early last year.

There has been some talk about Joe Milton who is sitting on the Dallas PS.....if something happens where we need a QB or our lot isn't working he is someone we have to have some interest in.

I know everyone is down on Kyler already but I am waiting to see more than 3 series.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 4:33:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

We still need new blood to even sniff being a legit contender. At a minimum, one solid CB and one solid IOL. And we desperately need another viable backup qb besides wentz and murray to at least have a enough to rotate in and out of the mash tent. JJ and Brosmer do nothing for us in season.


I'd add safety to the list. I have no idea why Jay Ward didn't get a single defensive snap yesterday.

PFF Bottom 5 defensive grades* from yesterday:

1. S Josh Metellus: 28.7
2. LB Eric Wilson: 30.2
3. DT Caleb Banks: 33.7
4. S Theo Jackson: 36.8
5. S Harrison Smith: 47.0

* 15 snap minimum



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 4:55:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Not sure what to make of this but I keep hearing it. Every "the Vikings are getting their asses kicked and somehow win the game" NFL record now belongs to KOC. [:-]

*regular season record

I can’t figure it out. The game planning doesn’t seem to be that good until half way through the third quarter. So I would say in-game adjustments but coming out of halftime doesn’t seem that much better. Everything seems so robotic until the final sprint … which to my untrained biased eye seems to be more about taking advantage of good breaks / bad officiating / and especially an inability to adjust by our opponent … than JUST good coaching adjustment by KOC. That’s part of it but … for example, four of our drives were extended yesterday by penalty mistakes. That’s ball bounce, not skill.

Whatever it is, both KOC and Flores have a real knack for out-strategizing other teams at the end of games.

Unfortunately, both have failed to get their players to match the execution and intensity of other teams come playoff time.

Yesterday was a blast but even against the creampuff Packers team that has now lost six straight games going back to last year, you see our same vulnerabilities on both sides of the ball just waiting to be exploited down the road.



It was eerily reminiscent of the 1st Bears game last year.

We got lucky that the Packers O-Line stinks. Love threw for almost 400 yards on us, but those 15 QB hits were all the difference.

Love shrinks when the pressure is on more than any other quarterback in the NFC. Not only does he make bad decisions with the football, but his mechanics have a tendency to fly out the window when the game requires him to step up.

He's a front-runner, and I don't care how much his stats like up with Rodgers and Favre through their first 3 or 4 years, he does not have that clutch ability that both of them had in spades.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/14/2026 5:00:28 PM)

Murray looked lost, uncomfortable and completely unprepared. It became clear to me why he is "injury prone". He scrambles at the drop of a hat and leaves himself open to potential injury. He doesn't slide appropriately to prevent getting hit - he just kind of slumps. Like he's bracing for impact instead of trying to avoid it. Not to mention that he needs to play out of the shotgun or pistol because he needs the extra space to see over his line.

The offense looked like a complete clown show until Wentz came in. It took him a few plays/drives to get comfortable and in rhythm.



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