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Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 8:26:50 PM)
Not at all. I just don't like unsportsmanlike crap like running up the score the way the Patriots did yesterday. It was totally uncalled for to go for it on 4th down up by 38 much less by 45. If they are going to be so petty as to go for it on fourth down, I would equal the pettiness and take out one of their stars for the season. Preferably, the almighty Brady. We'll see how effortlessly they march to the Superbowl without the annointed one's presence at QB.

John Childress -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 8:35:55 PM)
I would blitz Brady and hit him even if it was after he threw the ball. I would not go for the knees but I would blitz a LB and a Safety each play and tell them to level him even after he throws the ball.

David Levine -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 8:49:59 PM)
[quote="Trekgeekscott"]I would equal the pettiness and take out one of their stars for the season.[/quote] I guess I have a different "rating system" than you do, because I don't put "running up the score" in the same league as "intent to injure". Not even close.

djskillz -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:06:54 PM)
Seriously, the Skins are bitches. I never thought "running up the score" charges have any merit. If you can't play with them, that's your problem. Stop bitching and get better. To me it was always WORSE when a team "took pity" and let up. I wanted teams to beat me with their best shot all game long. Don't give me this whiny crap. Play like men. There was a story about a year ago where some state or region that had a RULE against a certain point spread. Well, a coach took his starters out and STILL they passed the spread. The coach was fired. That is what our society is coming to. A bunch of whiners blaming someone else. GET BETTER! Stop bitching!

John Childress -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:11:54 PM)
I agree, don't whine. Go take their QB out of the game. That stops the running up of the score. Break Brady's ribs

Guest -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:13:02 PM)
I recall a game against Jacksonville in '98, we were up 33-3 late in the game, against a rookie QB (Jonathan Quinn) who passed for a total of 4 yards in the second half. We continued playing the starters and even blitzed. We sacked him (Randle?) and somebody returned it for a TD. Now it's 40-3. We scored 10 more points with most of our starters in the game. Cunningham was eventually pulled but probably due to the hand injury. Scott, would you have been in favor of Coughlin telling his players to deliberately injure Moss, even if it was an illegal hit?

djskillz -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:14:36 PM)
[quote="John Childress"]I agree, don't whine. Go take their QB out of the game. That stops the running up of the score. Break Brady's ribs[/quote] So basically you want to INJURE players and put their careers at risk because they are better than you? Sorry, but that is ludicrous to me.

John Childress -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:22:25 PM)
[quote="djskilbr"][quote="John Childress"]I agree, don't whine. Go take their QB out of the game. That stops the running up of the score. Break Brady's ribs[/quote] So basically you want to INJURE players and put their careers at risk because they are better than you? Sorry, but that is ludicrous to me.[/quote] That is what happens when your QB keeps throwing despite a big lead. That is how Parcels and Belichick slowed down Joe Montana. That is football. Take the dress off Brady I don't want a bunch of wussies that accept a 52 point asskicking and stand there and cry. If you are stupid enough to run the score up against me I am taking your QB out. I wish these Vikings had that level of meanness in them BREAK HIS RIBS

djskillz -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:30:35 PM)
Wow JC. I really didn't expect this coming from you. You're one of the ones that, like me, keeps saying "shutup and play." It's never more appropriate than here to me. As I said, I don't mind "running up the score" at all. They're playing their best, just like me. You want to beat them, get better!

John Childress -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 9:52:42 PM)
[quote="djskilbr"]Wow JC. I really didn't expect this coming from you. You're one of the ones that, like me, keeps saying "shutup and play." It's never more appropriate than here to me. As I said, I don't mind "running up the score" at all. They're playing their best, just like me. You want to beat them, get better![/quote]I said no crying TAKE OUT THEIR QB What is so hard about that to understand? How did teams defend Warren Moon and the Run n Shoot? They beat up the QB. If the Pats are going to pass like that you have to beat up their QB. Knock their QB out - no crying (except him with his broken ribs).

Tim Cady -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 10:03:16 PM)
[quote="Pete C"]I still don't get this. The Redskins had all of their offensive starters in the game, including a previously injured Portis, and they were trying to score a TD late in the game even though they were behind by 40 something. Why is that okay? Why didn't THEY just run out the clock? Belichick continues to coach and work on things when they have a big lead. Most other coaches shut it down. I'll take the coach that continues to want to work on things.[/quote] Great point! No way Portis should have been in. I watched the replay of the 98 championship game a couple of weeks ago and that Vikings team was hated! The Falcons were all talking smack about how the great the Vikings thought they were, but that when they didn't succeed in blowing the Falcons out in the 1st half, they knew they had the Vikings. You think anyone will say this about the Patriots if they only have a 6 point lead at the half in the AFC Championship this year? One more peice of pie for thought - The Patriots blew what many thought was an insermountable lead last to the Colts in the AFC Championship game. I believed that was the moment that BB said to himself - I will never allow that to happen again. Now pile on, he is considered a cheater(although we know other teams have tried to gain an advantage that is not in the spirit of the game) Giants 2000 NFC Championship game frequency-gate comes to mind and you have the formula for why the Patriots and BB are doing this. Bottom line they are doing it because they can. 4th ring and all Mannings single season passing records should end the debate about who the best quarterback is.

djskillz -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 10:05:56 PM)
Well said Cady! I agree. Brady never had ONE WR that was as good as TWO of Peyton's (Wayne-better now than Marvin, and Harrison). Now that he finally has his WR's we're seeing who the best QB is in my opinion.

Tim Cady -> RE:NFL News (10/29/2007 10:30:29 PM)
[quote="John Childress"][quote="djskilbr"]Wow JC. I really didn't expect this coming from you. You're one of the ones that, like me, keeps saying "shutup and play." It's never more appropriate than here to me. As I said, I don't mind "running up the score" at all. They're playing their best, just like me. You want to beat them, get better![/quote]I said no crying TAKE OUT THEIR QB What is so hard about that to understand? How did teams defend Warren Moon and the Run n Shoot? They beat up the QB. If the Pats are going to pass like that you have to beat up their QB. Knock their QB out - no crying (except him with his broken ribs).[/quote] Why is it more of an insult to pass on a team in 2007, than it is to run on them in the 70s? The game has changed. Due to depth and injury issues the Patriots have been forced to pass versus run. If I was New England and just got Moroney back I would be more likely to pass versus run. This isn't your fathers NFL. Since Jerry Burns created it and Bill Walsh perfected it, the short passing game has been considered the same as a run. So, again what is the big deal? I also don't condone the cheapshot on the player that is beating you angle. Are you saying the Bears should cheap shot AD if runs for 200 on them again, only the next time we have a substantial lead?

So.Mn.Fan -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 1:27:24 AM)
Unbelievable stuff in here lately. Not to sound like Herman Edwards here, but you PLAY THE GAME TO BE THE BEST. We are seeing a team do that this year, and now we have people crying about how they are doing it. I like the Pats and how they do things. Being a Pat fan has to be incredibly fun right now. Anyone in here who says they would be telling the Vikings to back off the accelerator if they ever got "that" good is a liar. New England took some horrific beatings thru the years and were the laughingstock of the NFL at times. No more. They hired the right people to change that. They could care less what people think of them or how they do things. What is acceptable to you isn't to them. They execute up until the final whistle. If they had pulled their top players this year once the game was out of reach, they'd have about 60 minutes of football in for the whole year. Ridiculous. if you don't like it, do a better job of preparing your team BEFORE you play them. I know one thing, Tony Dungy is the nicest man in football, but he has no problem with the way the Pats operate. The Colts are pretty similar, when they have you down, they keep you down. The Colts get their stats, they get their points, they don't pull off the gas pedal. No coincidence those two are the best teams in football, and everyone else is crying about not being them. Welcome to the NFL.

John Childress -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 1:39:19 AM)
Yup, and I would have my LBs lay another horrific beating on Tom Brady - even if they got an occassional 15 yarder. There is a price to be paid - and we intend on collecting on that price!

Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 2:31:29 AM)
[quote="Pete C"]I recall a game against Jacksonville in '98, we were up 33-3 late in the game, against a rookie QB (Jonathan Quinn) who passed for a total of 4 yards in the second half. We continued playing the starters and even blitzed. We sacked him (Randle?) and somebody returned it for a TD. Now it's 40-3. We scored 10 more points with most of our starters in the game. Cunningham was eventually pulled but probably due to the hand injury. Scott, would you have been in favor of Coughlin telling his players to deliberately injure Moss, even if it was an illegal hit?[/quote] Pete, it is 2007. The Vikings did not go for it on 4th down with a 45-0 lead. and if the Jags had a problem with the defense teeing off, and they went after someone on the Vikes, I wouldn't be happy, but I would understand it. If the Pats feel it is necessary to score f you TDs after they clearly have already won the game...then they should risk getting their players hurt. they want to pour salt on the wounds, then they should be prepared for retribution. Now ask yourself this. You think that classless cheating bastard Bilichick wouldn't have his guys lay a dirty hit on someone if they were running up the score? One of the big reasons he keeps doing it is because he knows most coaches out there wont play dirty like he does. Believe me, they start laying late hits on Brady's ribs...He'd stop running up the score.

Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 2:35:53 AM)
[quote="djskilbr"]Well said Cady! I agree. Brady never had ONE WR that was as good as TWO of Peyton's (Wayne-better now than Marvin, and Harrison). Now that he finally has his WR's we're seeing who the best QB is in my opinion.[/quote] Randy Moss makes any non Raider QB look good. Made Frerotte look good, Made Culpepper look good, Made Cunningham look good, Made Jeff George look good, Made Todd Bouman look good. He makes Brady look better. Brady is good. Manning is too, By then end of their respective careers, Manning will own every career record (except maybe Favre's Int record). Brady will probably have more rings. And to the bitter end, I would argue Brady isn't in New England, with BB as his coach and he isn't poop. Manning makes his receivers better. Brady needs better receivers to look better.

Guest -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 2:47:20 AM)
[quote="Trekgeekscott"][quote="Pete C"]I recall a game against Jacksonville in '98, we were up 33-3 late in the game, against a rookie QB (Jonathan Quinn) who passed for a total of 4 yards in the second half. We continued playing the starters and even blitzed. We sacked him (Randle?) and somebody returned it for a TD. Now it's 40-3. We scored 10 more points with most of our starters in the game. Cunningham was eventually pulled but probably due to the hand injury. Scott, would you have been in favor of Coughlin telling his players to deliberately injure Moss, even if it was an illegal hit?[/quote] Pete, it is 2007. The Vikings did not go for it on 4th down with a 45-0 lead. and if the Jags had a problem with the defense teeing off, and they went after someone on the Vikes, I wouldn't be happy, but I would understand it. If the Pats feel it is necessary to score f you TDs after they clearly have already won the game...then they should risk getting their players hurt. they want to pour salt on the wounds, then they should be prepared for retribution. Now ask yourself this. You think that classless cheating bastard Bilichick wouldn't have his guys lay a dirty hit on someone if they were running up the score? One of the big reasons he keeps doing it is because he knows most coaches out there wont play dirty like he does. Believe me, they start laying late hits on Brady's ribs...He'd stop running up the score.[/quote] ****************************************************** I wasn't aware that the Patriots were laying dirty hits on anybody. Maybe Harrison has that reputation but I think that came primarily from when he was in SD. You are the only one I seen advocating taking cheap, illegal shots in retribution for getting beat. I wonder if that is a tactic you would teach your children.

Guest -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 2:50:12 AM)
You've avoided just about every question I asked concerning this. I'll try just one more, why was it okay for the Redskins to try to score with ALL of their starters when the score was 45-0? Why didn't THEY run out the clock? Incidentally, I saw Gibbs' presser, he had no problem with any of it.

Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 3:37:11 AM)
Pride. Trying to score something to avoid being shut out. I'm not Gibbs. If I was the coach, Brady would be doubtful at best for the Indy game next week.

Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 3:41:04 AM)
[quote="Pete C"][quote="Trekgeekscott"][quote="Pete C"]I recall a game against Jacksonville in '98, we were up 33-3 late in the game, against a rookie QB (Jonathan Quinn) who passed for a total of 4 yards in the second half. We continued playing the starters and even blitzed. We sacked him (Randle?) and somebody returned it for a TD. Now it's 40-3. We scored 10 more points with most of our starters in the game. Cunningham was eventually pulled but probably due to the hand injury. Scott, would you have been in favor of Coughlin telling his players to deliberately injure Moss, even if it was an illegal hit?[/quote] Pete, it is 2007. The Vikings did not go for it on 4th down with a 45-0 lead. and if the Jags had a problem with the defense teeing off, and they went after someone on the Vikes, I wouldn't be happy, but I would understand it. If the Pats feel it is necessary to score f you TDs after they clearly have already won the game...then they should risk getting their players hurt. they want to pour salt on the wounds, then they should be prepared for retribution. Now ask yourself this. You think that classless cheating bastard Bilichick wouldn't have his guys lay a dirty hit on someone if they were running up the score? One of the big reasons he keeps doing it is because he knows most coaches out there wont play dirty like he does. Believe me, they start laying late hits on Brady's ribs...He'd stop running up the score.[/quote] ****************************************************** I wasn't aware that the Patriots were laying dirty hits on anybody. Maybe Harrison has that reputation but I think that came primarily from when he was in SD. You are the only one I seen advocating taking cheap, illegal shots in retribution for getting beat. I wonder if that is a tactic you would teach your children.[/quote] Really, Can't read JC's comments? And you can't read my statement either? I said if Bilichick was down 45-0 and the other team was going for it on 4th down, you don't think he would send someone to lay a dirty hit on the QB? He's already shown a disregard for the rules...why all of a sudden would they be important to him? And it isn't just for getting beat. They were already beat and the other team decided to rub salt in the wound. They were already beat and the other team opted to try to get 14 more points on the board. There is a HUGE difference. I would teach my children that if you are winning and beating the other team badly that it would be sportsmanlike to not run up the score. T respect the other team. If the other team can't show you respect, then they don't deserve it either. In the future, since you don't know me from spit, I would appreciate you not bringing my children into any conversation that I didn't bring them into first.

Guest -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 3:59:16 AM)
First of all, quit crying. Secondly, I didn't know you had children, it was hypothetical.

Guest -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 4:05:31 AM)
It's funny how a person can tell if another person ever played the game just by what and how they write.

djskillz -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 5:19:05 AM)
We have a very large difference of opinion on what RESPECT in the game means. To me letting up is DISRESPECT for the game. It is RESPECT to play your best at all times. As I've said, maybe I'm more competitive than most or something, but I always HATED it if a team let up on me if they're whooping me. Still do, even if it's a friendly pickup basketball game or football game. Give me your best shot and make me earn every point I have to! I honestly cannot believe the bitching about the Pats. If anything, I respect them MORE for it, not less. As for Brady, Harrison and Wayne aren't good? Brady has never had a SINGLE WR that was as good as EITHER of those two. Now he finally does have one in Moss and he's showing what he can do. Brady is no chump. Do we discount Montana because he had Rice, Clark, and Taylor? I sure don't. Championships, that's what you're measured by. When it's all and said and done, NOONE, not even Montana, is likely to stack up to Brady in that regard.

Tim Cady -> RE:NFL News (10/30/2007 3:10:03 PM)
Excellent post Dustin, I agree with all your points. Letting up is how you yourself gets hurt. Brady would be great anywhere, regardless of coach and team around him. I am still baffled that people don't give him credit for making recievers like troy brown and branch better than they are. Montana was great and my favorite at the time, but Brady is better, I still contend if Duante would have started his career with Tom Moore and been able to play for him for 11 years and only have two head coaches he would be a hall of famer. With that said, Manning is great and done the homework to make himself he best he can be, but don't rip Brady for BB without ripping Manning for TMoore and what is forgotten is he has had Marvin Harrison to throw to his entire career.

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