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Ian Joseph -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 4:07:09 PM)

He's not coming out. He would make a ton of money if he stayed a year.




joejitsu -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 5:04:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

Hundley is horrible. He's still the same guy I've seen all year. Gets great protection, still panics in the pocket. Steps into sacks. Occasionally throws good passes when in perfect circumstances but otherwise inaccurate.

Today was the first time I really watched him. He moves better and throws worse than I thought he would.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 5:11:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

So the qb from VaTech blows up a lb on a run, its clean. 2 plays later he gets legally crushed by a different lb, on a very legal hit and its "uneccesary roughness"?


[&o]


Link?

What's this about?

The 15 yard unsportsmanlike was deserved imo. He knew damn well that ball was out a step and a half before he knocked the shit out of him. He could of easily pulled up. Obviously the message the world is trying to send isn't getting through. You can't tell me the hit was necessary. His sole intent was to punish. Hey, I don't like some of the rules and how they're enforced as much as the next guy but I get the Fn message. He didn't!

Link? Tune into Sports Center you'll see it


To be honest, i didn't think it was late and neither did the commentators. I don't know what they expect a guy running full speed to do.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 5:12:14 PM)

And, yes. Hundley was terrible. Great athlete though.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 9:17:12 PM)

If we draft him we probably would need him to sit for a year.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 9:27:09 PM)

A &M will win by more than 10 points.




joejitsu -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 9:30:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

A &M will win by more than 10 points.

Only if their defense stops Duke once or twice. Manziel is playing out of his mind!




69in09 -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 10:25:30 PM)

Manziel looks really good tonight. There were reports he was injured for those last two regular season games. I thought by some of the playcalling it might be true.




Andy Lowe -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 10:47:19 PM)

Oh the irony

Samantha Ponder interviewing Manziel

What a Beast




6iron -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 10:58:20 PM)

what a beauty.




Dave Odle -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 11:31:19 PM)

Damn. Manziel w/ 382 yards passing and 4 TD's and 73 yards rushing w/ 1 TD. Duke's defense is obviously not great, but he dropped some pretty passes right into the bucket over some right coverage. Hopefully that takes care of the #8 selection.

FA and the rest of the draft for defense.




Ricky J -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 11:45:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

So the qb from VaTech blows up a lb on a run, its clean. 2 plays later he gets legally crushed by a different lb, on a very legal hit and its "uneccesary roughness"?


[&o]


Link?

What's this about?

The 15 yard unsportsmanlike was deserved imo. He knew damn well that ball was out a step and a half before he knocked the shit out of him. He could of easily pulled up. Obviously the message the world is trying to send isn't getting through. You can't tell me the hit was necessary. His sole intent was to punish. Hey, I don't like some of the rules and how they're enforced as much as the next guy but I get the Fn message. He didn't!

Link? Tune into Sports Center you'll see it


To be honest, i didn't think it was late and neither did the commentators. I don't know what they expect a guy running full speed to do.


Everybody will have to be their own judge of whether they think it was a good hit or not. I'm going to try and not pass judgement (except the commentators -- they sucked big time, imo; [;)] with regards to their commentary regarding the hit)

I thought about it later it I think it's the first time I've truly got pissed off at a hit in football - the machine is working on me regarding safer play I guess. That was a brutal hit and I'm not buying for a second that he couldn't stop because he was going full speed. He had at least a step and a half and there was no attempt to slow down. None! We have a LB playing D1 football for UCLA; he has the athletic ability to attempt to avoid that type of hit. No offense JJ but I'm not buying he full speed what's he supposed to do argument. For starters he can demonstrate an effort -- there was plenty of time. If it was his mother throwing the ball ......

Hey, I know it's a tough game blah blah. I'm not even exactly sure why it pissed me off, yet. I suspect it may have something to do with having a boy play high school football and I don't want him to receive any unnecessary hits especially like that one. Maybe it's the education I've (we) received on concussions over the last couple years. I don't know. I do know he was hell bent on sticking him as hard as he could when he could of been backing off. And right now I just don't feel good about that kind of mentality.

end of rant

ps - just remembered the hit on the punter a couple of weeks back. Didn't like it. I sense a change going on




marty -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/31/2013 11:59:36 PM)

I don't think Manziel will last until 8. It's going to take some talk going round, similar to the talk of Patterson being raw, for Manziel to drop to 8. Maybe some poor combine numbers, a a drug rumor, character concerns, etc ...., could help him drop to 8.

While I don't think he is a slam dunk, he's worth the risk at 8, would likely bring excitement, and maybe a championship if paired with a good HC.




thebigo -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 1:56:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

So the qb from VaTech blows up a lb on a run, its clean. 2 plays later he gets legally crushed by a different lb, on a very legal hit and its "uneccesary roughness"?


[&o]


Link?

What's this about?

The 15 yard unsportsmanlike was deserved imo. He knew damn well that ball was out a step and a half before he knocked the shit out of him. He could of easily pulled up. Obviously the message the world is trying to send isn't getting through. You can't tell me the hit was necessary. His sole intent was to punish. Hey, I don't like some of the rules and how they're enforced as much as the next guy but I get the Fn message. He didn't!

Link? Tune into Sports Center you'll see it


To be honest, i didn't think it was late and neither did the commentators. I don't know what they expect a guy running full speed to do.


I only saw it in slo mo, it seems like the flag was warranted, but it didn't seem all that late or intentionally vicious. But slo mo vs reacting at full speed is a big difference




69in09 -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 2:21:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't think Manziel will last until 8. It's going to take some talk going round, similar to the talk of Patterson being raw, for Manziel to drop to 8. Maybe some poor combine numbers, a a drug rumor, character concerns, etc ...., could help him drop to 8.

While I don't think he is a slam dunk, he's worth the risk at 8, would likely bring excitement, and maybe a championship if paired with a good HC.



I'm sure for the next three months we will hear about all the things he can't do - in gym shorts.

However IMO he represents just too much upside not to go very early.

If the draft were today and he's available at #8 - I'm running to the podium with his name on the card.




John Childress -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 8:18:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg




Guest -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 8:24:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

quote:

ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg



If only her husband was average we may have been playing this weekend....




Guest -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 8:47:41 AM)

Johnny Football sure can look good from time to time.

Is it fools gold?

Can he stay unbroken as a pro?

Is he good enough to read pro defenses, and stand in the pocket, and deliver?

Is he a knucklehead, or not?

And we've got Mr. Unquarterback whisperer to figure this all out.....




Jeff Jesser -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 9:19:55 AM)

I hear what you guys are saying (Ricky and Todd). I guess i just see it a bit different. Keep in mind, i don't have kids. That's an aspect i can totally understand but don't take into account.

I'm not sure if you guys saw the first play or not. I saw it live and no the highlights so im not sure what that showed. My point was that both hits were completely legal, per the book, yet the second was flagged because it was the defender that laid the hit.




Mark Anderson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 9:47:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

quote:

ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

[&o]




Prescott -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 9:54:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

So the qb from VaTech blows up a lb on a run, its clean. 2 plays later he gets legally crushed by a different lb, on a very legal hit and its "uneccesary roughness"?


[&o]


Link?

What's this about?

The 15 yard unsportsmanlike was deserved imo. He knew damn well that ball was out a step and a half before he knocked the shit out of him. He could of easily pulled up. Obviously the message the world is trying to send isn't getting through. You can't tell me the hit was necessary. His sole intent was to punish. Hey, I don't like some of the rules and how they're enforced as much as the next guy but I get the Fn message. He didn't!

Link? Tune into Sports Center you'll see it


To be honest, i didn't think it was late and neither did the commentators. I don't know what they expect a guy running full speed to do.


Everybody will have to be their own judge of whether they think it was a good hit or not. I'm going to try and not pass judgement (except the commentators -- they sucked big time, imo; [;)] with regards to their commentary regarding the hit)

I thought about it later it I think it's the first time I've truly got pissed off at a hit in football - the machine is working on me regarding safer play I guess. That was a brutal hit and I'm not buying for a second that he couldn't stop because he was going full speed. He had at least a step and a half and there was no attempt to slow down. None! We have a LB playing D1 football for UCLA; he has the athletic ability to attempt to avoid that type of hit. No offense JJ but I'm not buying he full speed what's he supposed to do argument. For starters he can demonstrate an effort -- there was plenty of time. If it was his mother throwing the ball ......

Hey, I know it's a tough game blah blah. I'm not even exactly sure why it pissed me off, yet. I suspect it may have something to do with having a boy play high school football and I don't want him to receive any unnecessary hits especially like that one. Maybe it's the education I've (we) received on concussions over the last couple years. I don't know. I do know he was hell bent on sticking him as hard as he could when he could of been backing off. And right now I just don't feel good about that kind of mentality.

end of rant

ps - just remembered the hit on the punter a couple of weeks back. Didn't like it. I sense a change going on


Reading the book League of Denial, I really start to feel bad for enjoying football. It's kind of sick what happens to these guys if you actually pay attention.




Todd M -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 9:55:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

quote:

ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

[&o]


Eye roll for taste?

I happen to agree with JC.




Mark Anderson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 10:12:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

quote:

ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

[&o]


Eye roll for taste?

I happen to agree with JC.

Average at best. Come on now.




bohumm -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 10:17:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prescott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

So the qb from VaTech blows up a lb on a run, its clean. 2 plays later he gets legally crushed by a different lb, on a very legal hit and its "uneccesary roughness"?


[&o]


Link?

What's this about?

The 15 yard unsportsmanlike was deserved imo. He knew damn well that ball was out a step and a half before he knocked the shit out of him. He could of easily pulled up. Obviously the message the world is trying to send isn't getting through. You can't tell me the hit was necessary. His sole intent was to punish. Hey, I don't like some of the rules and how they're enforced as much as the next guy but I get the Fn message. He didn't!

Link? Tune into Sports Center you'll see it


To be honest, i didn't think it was late and neither did the commentators. I don't know what they expect a guy running full speed to do.


Everybody will have to be their own judge of whether they think it was a good hit or not. I'm going to try and not pass judgement (except the commentators -- they sucked big time, imo; [;)] with regards to their commentary regarding the hit)

I thought about it later it I think it's the first time I've truly got pissed off at a hit in football - the machine is working on me regarding safer play I guess. That was a brutal hit and I'm not buying for a second that he couldn't stop because he was going full speed. He had at least a step and a half and there was no attempt to slow down. None! We have a LB playing D1 football for UCLA; he has the athletic ability to attempt to avoid that type of hit. No offense JJ but I'm not buying he full speed what's he supposed to do argument. For starters he can demonstrate an effort -- there was plenty of time. If it was his mother throwing the ball ......

Hey, I know it's a tough game blah blah. I'm not even exactly sure why it pissed me off, yet. I suspect it may have something to do with having a boy play high school football and I don't want him to receive any unnecessary hits especially like that one. Maybe it's the education I've (we) received on concussions over the last couple years. I don't know. I do know he was hell bent on sticking him as hard as he could when he could of been backing off. And right now I just don't feel good about that kind of mentality.

end of rant

ps - just remembered the hit on the punter a couple of weeks back. Didn't like it. I sense a change going on


Reading the book League of Denial, I really start to feel bad for enjoying football. It's kind of sick what happens to these guys if you actually pay attention.

I'm experiencing the same dissonance, even before seeing the Frontline episode based in part on the book. I just love watching football, but between the head injuries and the commercialism/stadium fraud, it gets harder every week to keep my denial intact. I stopped watching boxing years ago after watch a guy's head bounce on the canvas and seeing Ali and others post-career, but I never had any attachment to boxing.




Prescott -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (1/1/2014 10:23:09 AM)

I recommend the book, which I picked up after watching the Frontline piece. It's got even more info and is even more eye opening.




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