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Ian Joseph -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/7/2014 10:24:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

Dustin, to make this easy, the next (first lol) time we get together, beer is on you.


Just let me know brotha. I'll probably be out there again sometime in Jan or Feb. Just send me details and I'll get you paid. Well done.

Jeff, never man. haha Ditto to you next time I'm out your way. Will have to finally meet up.


Hit me on FB when youre trip is all scheduled.



djskillz -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/8/2014 1:25:58 PM)

Interesting Vegas numbers:

FSU would be underdogs against 13 teams in the country right now. Double-digit underdogs to Oregon or Alabama.

SEC favored in 10 of its 12 bowl games, the most teams any conference has had favored in a bowl season.

Big10 underdogs in all 10 of its bowl games, the most teams any conference has had as underdogs in a bowl season.


I also love the argument about how the playoffs would make the Bowl games suck. These are some of the best Bowl matchups I can ever recall. Looking forward to a ton of these games. TCU/Ole Miss, Duke/ASU, Miami/SC, USC/Nebraska, A&M/WVU, LSU/ND, Arkansas/Texas, OK/Clemson, Georgia/Louisville, BSU/AZ, MSU/Georgia Tech, Auburn/Wisconsin, Mizzou/UofM, MSU/Baylor, Kansas State/UCLA. Lots of great matchups. In addition to 2 great semifinals.



DavidAOlson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/8/2014 3:13:28 PM)

Interesting article on the economics of college football:

https://sports.vice.com/article/screw-the-math-uab-can-afford-football-so-why-is-it-choosing-otherwise

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Many reports have pinned UAB football's pending demise on internal Alabama state politics—specifically, on antipathy towards the program created by the University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa, home to a far more famous (and successful) football team. Watts, however, insisted the move was wholly financial. At a somewhat contentious press conference, he cited a report from consulting firm CarrSports, which showed that keeping football would cost UAB $7.25 million in 2018-2019. ...

UAB is guilty of falling for one of the oldest tricks known to financial man: taking your own expense accounting as truth. ...

Western Kentucky. Like UAB, it plays football in C-USA; also like UAB, the school once faced a question of whether or not sports were draining its coffers. The bookkeeping said yes—Western Kentucky supposedly was losing $1.5 million per year across all sports in the early 1990s. Only then the school did a pretty remarkable thing: it gave its own economics professors (Melvin Borland, Brian Goff, and Robert Pulsinelli) full access to its books. When the trio finished its own analysis, they found that the school was actually making a modest profit on sports.

Armed with this analysis, Western Kentucky chose to emphasize football and moved up to FBS, eventually reaching C-USA. ...



Bill Jandro -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/8/2014 6:45:11 PM)

Dustin, I don't think the argument is that a playoff makes the bowl games suck.

It just makes them less revelent than before. Still, as you pointed out, some very good matchups.



djskillz -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/8/2014 7:06:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Dustin, I don't think the argument is that a playoff makes the bowl games suck.

It just makes them less revelent than before. Still, as you pointed out, some very good matchups.


Ya. I just don't get that argument. It does? I think they're the exact same as before: completely meaningless.



Guest -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/9/2014 9:05:42 PM)

https://twitter.com/WinTheDay/status/542335342104170500/photo/1

Quick interesting story: Joey Harrington coming off the field after a win wanted to hear the Ducks Fight Song again.
Because it was so loud all the time, the cue the band leader would use was the O made with the two hands, for Oregon Fight Song.
So as Harrington is holding it up for the band, a photographer is in line and shoots the pic.



Now it's a staple in CFB.
For anyone with Nike gloves anyway.


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djskillz -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/12/2014 9:14:32 AM)

And this is still the main problem with D1 college football; idle time. That still hasn't been solved. In what other sport do they sit out for 4-5 weeks before their "playoffs"? You can't tell me that brings out the best competition on the field. It's why I've never put a ton of stock into bowl games.

And the cry is always "we can't mess with their academics". 1) The colleges could actually care less about their academics. 2) It's not all that different from their routine during the year that they already have to manage. 3) You're talking about 80 kids/school for one month. Baseball, basketball and other college sports figure it out for their sports. They can too.

Drives me nuts. No reason these guys should be sitting for 4-5 weeks.



bohumm -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/12/2014 11:05:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

And this is still the main problem with D1 college football; idle time. That still hasn't been solved. In what other sport do they sit out for 4-5 weeks before their "playoffs"? You can't tell me that brings out the best competition on the field. It's why I've never put a ton of stock into bowl games.

And the cry is always "we can't mess with their academics". 1) The colleges could actually care less about their academics. 2) It's not all that different from their routine during the year that they already have to manage. 3) You're talking about 80 kids/school for one month. Baseball, basketball and other college sports figure it out for their sports. They can too.

Drives me nuts. No reason these guys should be sitting for 4-5 weeks.

All those players failing out of school in the other football divisions attest to the evil nature of playoff games. Just think how bad it would be if there wasn't a semester/holiday break in there; brainpower would just ooze out of our nation's universities, but only about 65-100 of them.



McMurfy -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/12/2014 2:20:03 PM)

The extra time allows for Alabama fans to say things like

"Yes Oklahoma beat us, it's hard for our guys to get up for a Bowl Game when they're used to playing for National Championships"

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djskillz -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/12/2014 2:25:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

And this is still the main problem with D1 college football; idle time. That still hasn't been solved. In what other sport do they sit out for 4-5 weeks before their "playoffs"? You can't tell me that brings out the best competition on the field. It's why I've never put a ton of stock into bowl games.

And the cry is always "we can't mess with their academics". 1) The colleges could actually care less about their academics. 2) It's not all that different from their routine during the year that they already have to manage. 3) You're talking about 80 kids/school for one month. Baseball, basketball and other college sports figure it out for their sports. They can too.

Drives me nuts. No reason these guys should be sitting for 4-5 weeks.

All those players failing out of school in the other football divisions attest to the evil nature of playoff games. Just think how bad it would be if there wasn't a semester/holiday break in there; brainpower would just ooze out of our nation's universities, but only about 65-100 of them.


Exactly. Apparently the DII and DIII student-athletes that it works for are either 1) way better at school, or 2) they don't matter.



Jeff Allen -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/12/2014 2:57:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Dustin, I don't think the argument is that a playoff makes the bowl games suck.

It just makes them less revelent than before. Still, as you pointed out, some very good matchups.


Ya. I just don't get that argument. It does? I think they're the exact same as before: completely meaningless.


Every Bowl game is meaningless except three...before it was one. Watching a meaningless bowl game is like watching an NIT game. I couldn't care less if the Gophers win or lose against Missouri.



drviking -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/12/2014 3:08:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Dustin, I don't think the argument is that a playoff makes the bowl games suck.

It just makes them less revelent than before. Still, as you pointed out, some very good matchups.


Ya. I just don't get that argument. It does? I think they're the exact same as before: completely meaningless.


Every Bowl game is meaningless except three...before it was one. Watching a meaningless bowl game is like watching an NIT game. I couldn't care less if the Gophers win or lose against Missouri.




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[&o]



drviking -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/13/2014 10:53:28 PM)

i havent watched much college football this year.


is mariota as good as his stats look?

i watched him some last year and thought he was pretty freakin good.



McMurfy -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/14/2014 1:36:14 AM)

Bigger, Faster Russel Wilson
YMMV



Bill Jandro -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/14/2014 9:04:30 AM)

System guy. Most Oregon QB's have not done well long term in the NFL.

Mariota is amazing but the running element of his game is just not sustainable longterm on Sundays.



bohumm -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/14/2014 9:59:47 AM)

Happy for our Oregon homes.... I'm pulling for your boys in the quasi-playoff



drew -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/14/2014 10:17:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

System guy. Most Oregon QB's have not done well long term in the NFL.

Mariota is amazing but the running element of his game is just not sustainable longterm on Sundays.


I think Mariota would work in any system. I think he'll be a very good NFL QB.



McMurfy -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/14/2014 10:35:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

System guy. Most Oregon QB's have not done well long term in the NFL.

Mariota is amazing but the running element of his game is just not sustainable longterm on Sundays.


Uniformed Response

Since the spread offense was put in by Oregon,
Dennis Dixon and Kellen Clemens have carved out nice careers as back ups, which was expected of them.
Masoli went on to the CFL, again, expectation level.
Darren Thomas, who was expected to never be an NFL prospect, wasn't.

Which leads us to leftovers from Oregon's old Pro Style offense, Akili Smith and Joey Harrington.

Old system, apples and oranges.


Now back to Bill's comments,

Clueless



McMurfy -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/14/2014 10:42:16 AM)

Watch a freaking highlight film, pick one of any three years and then explain to us which system that is.


Special Player.



Ricky J -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/15/2014 9:29:54 PM)

Getting ready to fill out my weighted picks for the college pool. Any of the college football experts care to share there picks with me? Pete?



Bill Jandro -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/15/2014 10:07:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

System guy. Most Oregon QB's have not done well long term in the NFL.

Mariota is amazing but the running element of his game is just not sustainable longterm on Sundays.


Uniformed Response

Since the spread offense was put in by Oregon,
Dennis Dixon and Kellen Clemens have carved out nice careers as back ups, which was expected of them.
Masoli went on to the CFL, again, expectation level.
Darren Thomas, who was expected to never be an NFL prospect, wasn't.

Which leads us to leftovers from Oregon's old Pro Style offense, Akili Smith and Joey Harrington.

Old system, apples and oranges.


Now back to Bill's comments,

Clueless


I have not seen a ton of O football. What I have seen of Mariota is that he is absolutely electric.

However, the system at O does not ask him to stay in the pocket and go through all the reads. If the main read isn't there they want him to make a play with his feet. This works in college but has proven not to work on Sundays. He will have to learn to do this. The kid also has a questionable arm.



Bill Jandro -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/15/2014 10:09:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Getting ready to fill out my weighted picks for the college pool. Any of the college football experts care to share there picks with me? Pete?


My name isn't Pete but I like O and OSU.




Ricky J -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/15/2014 10:16:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Getting ready to fill out my weighted picks for the college pool. Any of the college football experts care to share there picks with me? Pete?


My name isn't Pete but I like O and OSU.



I'll take that under advisement but there are about 25 other games. [;)]



McMurfy -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/15/2014 11:10:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

System guy. Most Oregon QB's have not done well long term in the NFL.

Mariota is amazing but the running element of his game is just not sustainable longterm on Sundays.


Uniformed Response

Since the spread offense was put in by Oregon,
Dennis Dixon and Kellen Clemens have carved out nice careers as back ups, which was expected of them.
Masoli went on to the CFL, again, expectation level.
Darren Thomas, who was expected to never be an NFL prospect, wasn't.

Which leads us to leftovers from Oregon's old Pro Style offense, Akili Smith and Joey Harrington.

Old system, apples and oranges.


Now back to Bill's comments,

Clueless


I have not seen a ton of O football. What I have seen of Mariota is that he is absolutely electric.

However, the system at O does not ask him to stay in the pocket and go through all the reads. If the main read isn't there they want him to make a play with his feet. This works in college but has proven not to work on Sundays. He will have to learn to do this. The kid also has a questionable arm.




Clearly You have not, but don't let me tell you,
just Google. scouts take on Marcus Mariota, read the top 5 articles.

The Experts contradict everything you just said.



Guest -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (12/15/2014 11:27:58 PM)

Mariota is no sure thing, but he easily has an NFL arm.
Easily.



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