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SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 4:13:11 PM)

Continue to hear talk that #Pirates would love to "upgrade" over Pedro Alvarez at 1B. Also kicking tires on shortstops with Jordy Mercer out




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 7:47:59 PM)

Short return for Jason Vargas/KC
Out of the game in the second due to injury ....




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 7:49:31 PM)

Our boy Wilson Ramos with a big two-run shot to put the Nats up over the Mets.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 7:50:39 PM)

JD Martinez just hit one 466 feet for the Tigers [:-]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 7:52:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

JD Martinez just hit one 466 feet for the Tigers [:-]


What a steal off the waivers for them.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:02:55 PM)

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:03:37 PM)


As one source familiar with the talks told me, if the Twins make it through their gauntlet-of-a-week this week, “talks will get serious and move fast.”



Riiiiiggghhhht [&o]




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:07:31 PM)

warmin up the ol "tire-kickers" .......




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:09:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY

[:-][:-][:-][:-]

I'm half-shocked TR even let the HINT of that slip thru the cracks of his old bony fingers.
I've been given a glimmer of hope! A teeny tiny little splinter of light! A breath of passing fresh air!
I think that was leaked solely to appease me. [&:]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:16:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY

[:-][:-][:-][:-]

I'm half-shocked TR even let the HINT of that slip thru the cracks of his old bony fingers.
I've been given a glimmer of hope! A teeny tiny little splinter of light! A breath of passing fresh air!
I think that was leaked solely to appease me. [&:]



Who do you give up? Most of the posters on the TwinsDaily site said Gibson, since Berrios is more of a flyball guy.

Cannot imagine they'd trade both. Just cannot.

Would be cool to get LaTroy back for the rest of the year. Axford? Not so much.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:17:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

JD Martinez just hit one 466 feet for the Tigers [:-]


What a steal off the waivers for them.

J.D. Martinez now has 14 HR in the last month (since June 21st)

The Cubs have 12 over that span (entering tonight) 1h





Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:18:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

JD Martinez just hit one 466 feet for the Tigers [:-]


What a steal off the waivers for them.

J.D. Martinez now has 14 HR in the last month (since June 21st)

The Cubs have 12 over that span (entering tonight) 1h





I thought the Cubs were so loaded with all these sluggers.

Oh yeah, a bunch of young free swingers. Too many pitchers figure those types out.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:18:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY

[:-][:-][:-][:-]

I'm half-shocked TR even let the HINT of that slip thru the cracks of his old bony fingers.
I've been given a glimmer of hope! A teeny tiny little splinter of light! A breath of passing fresh air!
I think that was leaked solely to appease me. [&:]



Nygard is pretty well connected in the org. We'll see. I am doubtful on Tulo. Almost 100 percent thinking "NO WAY IN $*&^"




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:22:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY

[:-][:-][:-][:-]

I'm half-shocked TR even let the HINT of that slip thru the cracks of his old bony fingers.
I've been given a glimmer of hope! A teeny tiny little splinter of light! A breath of passing fresh air!
I think that was leaked solely to appease me. [&:]



Who do you give up? Most of the posters on the TwinsDaily site said Gibson, since Berrios is more of a flyball guy.

Cannot imagine they'd trade both. Just cannot.

Would be cool to get LaTroy back for the rest of the year. Axford? Not so much.

You know me ... I'm a sucker for a big-time bat.
If Tulo had a better health track record I'd give them that in a heartbeat.
I'm just really worried about SS in the long run too. Not just today.
Solidifying that spot with a perennial AS type is pretty damn hard to pass up, no?
We talk all the time about "we gotta do this, we gotta do that" ... and these years keep clicking by.
Too bad the Hardy Era wasn't delayed about 5 years. Now we have to find someone in that mold, imo.
I'm excited about Gordon, but hear it will be a longgg time.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:24:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY

[:-][:-][:-][:-]

I'm half-shocked TR even let the HINT of that slip thru the cracks of his old bony fingers.
I've been given a glimmer of hope! A teeny tiny little splinter of light! A breath of passing fresh air!
I think that was leaked solely to appease me. [&:]



Nygard is pretty well connected in the org. We'll see. I am doubtful on Tulo. Almost 100 percent thinking "NO WAY IN $*&^"

Would be the most un-TR-like move in his lifetime.
I'm thinking its someone like me's ... wishful thinking.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:25:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

JD Martinez just hit one 466 feet for the Tigers [:-]


What a steal off the waivers for them.

J.D. Martinez now has 14 HR in the last month (since June 21st)

The Cubs have 12 over that span (entering tonight) 1h





I thought the Cubs were so loaded with all these sluggers.

Oh yeah, a bunch of young free swingers. Too many pitchers figure those types out.

Yes. They do.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:32:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/twins-rockies-talk-tulowitzki-r3952


yeah...I can imagine how far those "talks" went.

No way does Ryan give up ANY good prospects for Tulo.

NO

WAY

[:-][:-][:-][:-]

I'm half-shocked TR even let the HINT of that slip thru the cracks of his old bony fingers.
I've been given a glimmer of hope! A teeny tiny little splinter of light! A breath of passing fresh air!
I think that was leaked solely to appease me. [&:]



Who do you give up? Most of the posters on the TwinsDaily site said Gibson, since Berrios is more of a flyball guy.

Cannot imagine they'd trade both. Just cannot.

Would be cool to get LaTroy back for the rest of the year. Axford? Not so much.

You know me ... I'm a sucker for a big-time bat.
If Tulo had a better health track record I'd give them that in a heartbeat.
I'm just really worried about SS in the long run too. Not just today.
Solidifying that spot with a perennial AS type is pretty damn hard to pass up, no?
We talk all the time about "we gotta do this, we gotta do that" ... and these years keep clicking by.
Too bad the Hardy Era wasn't delayed about 5 years. Now we have to find someone in that mold, imo.
I'm excited about Gordon, but hear it will be a longgg time.



Yeah, that would really be something of a shocker to me, adding a bat like his.

SS is a huge chasm in this org.

Just like catcher.

Turner must have gotten fired up by Dougie. He's finally hitting some in AA. That average has crawled to .210. That's how bad he's been.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/21/2015 8:37:35 PM)

Top 4 active batting averages:

Cabrera .3213
Ichiro .3162
Mauer .3158
Pujols .3148

Just 10 active .300 hitters, btw.

No. 10? Troy Tulowitzki .3005.

(@jeremynygaard swoons)




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 8:25:57 AM)

Tulo is hurt too often. I also have trouble seeing him as a guy that's gonna be happy in MN. He's not happy in Denver. He wants to be in NY or LA. That's the kind of dude he is. If we're frustrated with some of Mauer's dings over the years, Tulo will take it to a whole new level.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 8:59:52 AM)

I LOVE Tulow. But am very worried about that contract. And no way do I give up Gibson or Berrios. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Gibson is our best starter on our team.
Berrios may well be our best starter in 2016.

If we're going to take on the risk of Tulow's contract and injury risk/age for a SS, no way do I deal one of those guys. I trade a whole host of other guys before them.

Also, C is still a bigger need for this team than SS. Escobar is basically a league average SS. Suzuki has been arguably the worst regular C in either league.




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 11:28:57 AM)

Tulo: you want to run away from him as fast as you can. Train wreck physically. Great player at one time. A great player who cannot finish a season for several years now running. Now on the other side of the hill coming down.

Even the Rocks beat writer acknowledges it.

from several weeks ago:

shortstop Troy Tulowitzki ’s defensive statistics indicate the 30-year-old is slowing down.

Through 68 games, of which Tulowitzki played 56 at shortstop, his marks were below average in defensive runs saved and ultimate zone rating.

When Tulowitzki plays at least half of the season — seven times — he has always finished above average in those stats.

He saved nine runs more than average in a typical season. This year, he’s at three runs below average.

Tulowitzki’s health is always a critical factor, not only for him but for the organization. A leg muscle he tore in 2008 will never heal, which puts a strain on other muscles and ligaments in his leg.

Manager Walt Weiss vowed to give Tulowitzki more rest this year and has stuck to the plan. Weiss said the extra rest was meant to keep Tulowitzki aggressive. In explaining the benefit of more rest, Weiss said he told the shortstop, “When you are out there, you can go all out and play the way you want to play.”




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 11:29:40 AM)

Good stuff, Stacey. Agreed.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 11:30:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Tulo: you want to run away from him as fast as you can. Train wreck physically. Great player at one time. A great player who cannot finish a season for several years now running. Now on the other side of the hill coming down.

Even the Rocks beat writer acknowledges it.

from several weeks ago:

shortstop Troy Tulowitzki ’s defensive statistics indicate the 30-year-old is slowing down.

Through 68 games, of which Tulowitzki played 56 at shortstop, his marks were below average in defensive runs saved and ultimate zone rating.

When Tulowitzki plays at least half of the season — seven times — he has always finished above average in those stats.

He saved nine runs more than average in a typical season. This year, he’s at three runs below average.

Tulowitzki’s health is always a critical factor, not only for him but for the organization. A leg muscle he tore in 2008 will never heal, which puts a strain on other muscles and ligaments in his leg.

Manager Walt Weiss vowed to give Tulowitzki more rest this year and has stuck to the plan. Weiss said the extra rest was meant to keep Tulowitzki aggressive. In explaining the benefit of more rest, Weiss said he told the shortstop, “When you are out there, you can go all out and play the way you want to play.”


Dustin has played the middle remarkably well so far this morning. Stacey, I think your post will help bring him to our side this time.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 11:31:45 AM)

Yup! [:D]




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/22/2015 11:37:32 AM)

Even if Tulo would be clean physically, that contract is onerous.

Here's an interesting one. Don't just dismiss it offhand b/c you don't like the guys personality. Molitor could handle him.

The Twins are slightly better than AL average in terms of relief pitching ERA. No team in the league has blown fewer leads. But the average relief pitcher in the American league strikes out 8.3 men per nine innings. Perkins is a bit over that average. Other than Ryan O'Rourke, who has faced all of 11 hitters since his callup (entering Tuesday's game) and starter-in-waiting Trevor May, nobody in the current bullpen is within 1 K/9 of the league average.

Good bullpens have power arms. The Twins don't have that. And that is the single biggest difference between the Twins and the Kansas City Royals. The Royals can stack swing-and-miss pitchers from the sixth inning on; the Twins have none until the ninth.

I have a specific idea to address that. His name is Jonathan Papelbon.


The All-Star closer is vocally unhappy in Philadelphia, and has been demanding a trade to a contender for weeks. His too-large contract expires at the end of the season unless he finishes 23 more games (more on that later), so given the frequent professions of payroll leeway, I think the Twins can absorb his deal for the remainder of the year. The Phillies are officially, if belatedly, in rebuild mode.

In my mind, the only question here is if Papelbon is willing to step down from his accustomed ninth-inning role to set up Perkins. I don't know what, if any, no-trade protection he has. Taking the eighth-inning role could be expensive for him; in that role, there's no way he's finishing enough games to vest his $13 million option of 2016 (he needs 55 this year and entered Tuesday with 32). And while he remains a quality relief pitcher, few if any teams today would give any reliever $13 million a year. He says he's unhappy in Philly because they're not in contention. But losing out on that 2016 option (which he might not attain even if he remains a closer) might also make him unhappy.

That aside, Papelbon figures to be a rent-a-player. A good rent-a-player in exactly the role the Twins need to upgrade.

I've no idea what the Phillies are demanding for Papelbon. but I would be in favor of giving them their choice of Oswaldo Arcia or Adam Brett Walker, two young outfielders with big power and other holes in their games. In return, the Twins take all the Papelbon contract risk.

The Phillies may be waiting for more than that. But it might be a doable deal in the next few days.




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