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And another notable difference is Ohtani has pitched and hit almost his entire career. Ruth pitched for about 5 years, at the beginning of his career.

It's tough to compare era's. Mantle, Mays, Dimaggio, Aaron are all in the conversation.

Today you have specialized pitchers all throwing gas. Back then it was probably 80-85 MPH fastball.

But, today if you throw inside too much, you can get ejected. Back then they threw at people's heads and it was part of the game. The deterrent was the other team would return the favor.

I'm not dismissing Ohtani at all. Love to watch him play.

Bad part about baseball right now is it looks like a work stoppage is on the horizon. Most teams(Owners) want hard salary cap and the players say no way.

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As an aside, discounting Ruth's first 5 years when he didn't produce much as a hitter he averaged 40 HRs a year over his last 17 years. Ohtani is averaging 35.

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As an aside, discounting Ruth's first 5 years when he didn't produce much as a hitter he averaged 40 HRs a year over his last 17 years. Ohtani is averaging 35.

That 35 jumps to 47 if you go by his last 5 seasons - which is when he became a full-time player. The 3 previous years he played in 104, 106 and 44 games.

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I kinda like the Dodgers. But I can't wait for the anti-Trump stuff if Toronto wins. Not that he knows anything about baseball. But at least Canada can stick it to him.

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Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

Not just for baseball. He's in the conversation for GOAT Pro Athlete.

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Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

Not just for baseball. He's in the conversation for GOAT Pro Athlete.

Even though his career was cut short, does anyone top Bo Jackson?

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When the seventh inning began, the Dodgers trailed by only a run and Ohtani had thrown 90 pitches. Three pitches later, after a single by Daulton Varsho and a 101.7-mph double by Ernie Clement, Roberts turned to his bullpen. The Blue Jays went on to score four runs with Anthony Banda and Blake Treinen on the mound.

"I wanted to go seven," Ohtani said, "and it was regrettable that I wasn't able to finish that inning."

Ohtani's first postseason as a starting pitcher is officially over now, ending with a 2-1 record, a 3.50 ERA and 25 strikeouts against five walks in 18 innings. If he pitches again, it would be out of the bullpen in Game 6 or a potential Game 7, something he told Japanese reporters he was willing to do.


It sucks that a dead-tired Ohtani, who needed an IV the night before for leg cramps, is better than every one of the usual (i.e. not Sasaki[/b]) bullpen dregs and the mass of relievers who didn't make the WS roster.

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When the seventh inning began, the Dodgers trailed by only a run and Ohtani had thrown 90 pitches. Three pitches later, after a single by Daulton Varsho and a 101.7-mph double by Ernie Clement, Roberts turned to his bullpen. The Blue Jays went on to score four runs with Anthony Banda and Blake Treinen on the mound.

"I wanted to go seven," Ohtani said, "and it was regrettable that I wasn't able to finish that inning."

Ohtani's first postseason as a starting pitcher is officially over now, ending with a 2-1 record, a 3.50 ERA and 25 strikeouts against five walks in 18 innings. If he pitches again, it would be out of the bullpen in Game 6 or a potential Game 7, something he told Japanese reporters he was willing to do.


It sucks that a dead-tired Ohtani, who needed an IV the night before for leg cramps, is better than every one of the usual (i.e. not Sasaki[/b]) bullpen dregs and the mass of relievers who didn't make the WS roster.

Penny pinchers

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When the seventh inning began, the Dodgers trailed by only a run and Ohtani had thrown 90 pitches. Three pitches later, after a single by Daulton Varsho and a 101.7-mph double by Ernie Clement, Roberts turned to his bullpen. The Blue Jays went on to score four runs with Anthony Banda and Blake Treinen on the mound.

"I wanted to go seven," Ohtani said, "and it was regrettable that I wasn't able to finish that inning."

Ohtani's first postseason as a starting pitcher is officially over now, ending with a 2-1 record, a 3.50 ERA and 25 strikeouts against five walks in 18 innings. If he pitches again, it would be out of the bullpen in Game 6 or a potential Game 7, something he told Japanese reporters he was willing to do.


It sucks that a dead-tired Ohtani, who needed an IV the night before for leg cramps, is better than every one of the usual (i.e. not Sasaki[/b]) bullpen dregs and the mass of relievers who didn't make the WS roster.

Penny pinchers

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When the seventh inning began, the Dodgers trailed by only a run and Ohtani had thrown 90 pitches. Three pitches later, after a single by Daulton Varsho and a 101.7-mph double by Ernie Clement, Roberts turned to his bullpen. The Blue Jays went on to score four runs with Anthony Banda and Blake Treinen on the mound.

"I wanted to go seven," Ohtani said, "and it was regrettable that I wasn't able to finish that inning."

Ohtani's first postseason as a starting pitcher is officially over now, ending with a 2-1 record, a 3.50 ERA and 25 strikeouts against five walks in 18 innings. If he pitches again, it would be out of the bullpen in Game 6 or a potential Game 7, something he told Japanese reporters he was willing to do.


It sucks that a dead-tired Ohtani, who needed an IV the night before for leg cramps, is better than every one of the usual (i.e. not Sasaki[/b]) bullpen dregs and the mass of relievers who didn't make the WS roster.

Penny pinchers

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I've got a ceiling, a floor and four walls.
Who says you can't have it all?

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I know they have the Ohtani rule, which allows him to stay in the game as a DH even after he's pulled from the game as a starting pitcher.

But have they covered the scenario where he starts as a DH, but comes in as a relief pitcher? Because I get the feeling he's not going to be a starting pitcher much longer.

If a DH moves to another position mid-game, the team loses its DH for the rest of the game. So if Ohtani moves from DH to pitcher mid-game, shouldn't the same hold true? They should lose their DH for the rest of the game. While Ohtani is still in the game as a relief pitcher, fine and dandy for the Dodgers (Ohtani would hit as the pitcher). But once Ohtani comes out of the game as a relief pitcher, the Dodgers should have the pitcher locked into the DH slot and Ohtani is out of the game completely. It would probably be a relatively rare occurrence since I suspect he might be a closer. But it could be a big deal in a long extra-inning playoff game.