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twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 8:15:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Orioles released outfielder Lew Ford from Double-A Bowie, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com (on Twitter). Ford, 37, resurfaced in the Majors with Baltimore in 2012 after a four-year hiatus, during which he played in Japan, Mexico and the independent circuit in the U.S. He batted .236/.291/.463 in 33 games across three levels in the Orioles' minor league system this season.

I'm afraid that's the end of the line for Lew. [:@]



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 8:24:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Orioles released outfielder Lew Ford from Double-A Bowie, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com (on Twitter). Ford, 37, resurfaced in the Majors with Baltimore in 2012 after a four-year hiatus, during which he played in Japan, Mexico and the independent circuit in the U.S. He batted .236/.291/.463 in 33 games across three levels in the Orioles' minor league system this season.

I'm afraid that's the end of the line for Lew. [:@]



Back to Indy ball.



twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 10:02:19 AM)

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/22121326-573/scott-baker-looks-good-in-rehab-assignment-in-kane-county.html

Taking the mound for the Kane County Cougars Friday against visiting Beloit, the 31-year-old recovered from a slow start to hurl four innings in a 5-2 victory. He threw 59 pitches — 37 for strikes — and allowed one run on four hits while walking two and striking out three in a no-decision. It was the first time he’s reached at least four innings in his comeback attempt.

“I felt like I started a little lethargic but picked it up as the night went on,” Baker said. “This has been a process that has taken longer than anticipated, but as long as I feel like we are making progress and moving forward it’s hard to complain.”



twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 10:04:13 AM)

He allowed just two singles over the next three innings and finished his night by striking out Nick Rickles with an 88-mph fastball, which was his fastest pitch of the outing.
 
That might be a problem.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 10:29:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Orioles released outfielder Lew Ford from Double-A Bowie, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com (on Twitter). Ford, 37, resurfaced in the Majors with Baltimore in 2012 after a four-year hiatus, during which he played in Japan, Mexico and the independent circuit in the U.S. He batted .236/.291/.463 in 33 games across three levels in the Orioles' minor league system this season.

I'm afraid that's the end of the line for Lew. [:@]



Back to Indy ball.

Now that's a cast-off we probably will take a look at.

Sigh.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 2:48:03 PM)

Pirates are going all in

The New York Mets traded outfielder Marlon Byrd and catcher John Buck to the Pittsburgh Pirates for infield prospect Dilson Herrera and a player to be named, according to a tweet Tuesday afternoon from ESPN’s Adam Rubin. The Pirates getting Herrera and a player to be named was first reported via a tweet from Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.

And this is funny

The news reportedly comes hours before the Mets host a Marlon Byrd t-shirt giveaway night at Citi Field for their home game Tuesday against the Philadelphia Phillies.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 2:49:04 PM)

For Byrd, the pirates give up a 19year old hitting .265 in A ball

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=599096



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 3:17:12 PM)

Troy Renck of the Denver Post reports that a Monday MRI revealed the worst-case scenario for Rockies closer Rafael Betancourt: a complete tear of his right ulnar collateral ligament that will likely put an end to his 11-year Major League career.

For the time being, Betancourt will receive a platelet-rich plasma injection in his elbow with the faint hope that it will help to form scar tissue that will allow him to pitch again. Should that method fail, Betancourt is likely to retire rather than undergo Tommy John surgery at this stage of his career.

Betancourt, who will turn 39 next April, has been a force in Colorado's bullpen since coming over from the Indians in a trade back in 2009. With the Rockies, he's tallied a 3.08 ERA with 9.0 K/9, 2.4 BB/9 and a pristine 1.007 WHIP. He's totaled 646 1/3 innings of 3.19 ERA ball with well over a strikeout per inning in a strong Major League career.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 3:22:02 PM)

This HAS to be a worsening problem, isn't it? (All these arm issues)
I'm sure someone's gonna tell me it's no worse than it ever was .... But really?
It seems more rare these days to find a healthy pitcher than a seriously injured one.
Sad.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 3:23:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

This HAS to be a worsening problem, isn't it? (All these arm issues)
I'm sure someone's gonna tell me it's no worse than it ever was .... But really?
It seems more rare these days to find a healthy pitcher than a seriously injured one.
Sad.



Agreed. How is it now that pitchers can't go so many innings like the "good old" days.

Something is up.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 4:08:32 PM)

Josh Johnson done for the year. That part of the Toronto deal w/Miami didn't work.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 6:45:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Orioles released outfielder Lew Ford from Double-A Bowie, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com (on Twitter). Ford, 37, resurfaced in the Majors with Baltimore in 2012 after a four-year hiatus, during which he played in Japan, Mexico and the independent circuit in the U.S. He batted .236/.291/.463 in 33 games across three levels in the Orioles' minor league system this season.

I'm afraid that's the end of the line for Lew. [:@]


He actually would be a star player on the Twins right now.  And that has no sarcasm attached to it. 



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 6:47:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The perils of MLB Pitching

http://tracking.si.com/2013/08/26/mets-matt-harvey-goes-for-mri/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp

New York Mets pitcher Matt Harvey is headed to the disabled list with a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament, reports WFAN Radio in New York.


These injuries happen so often, why would the Dodgers be ready to offer Kershaw $200 contract. It's one thing doing it for a position player, and another for pitchers


Any team that commits big money to a pitcher is just plain stupid!  There is no reason for it.  Pitcher contracts should never exceed three years. 



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/27/2013 6:52:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

This HAS to be a worsening problem, isn't it? (All these arm issues)
I'm sure someone's gonna tell me it's no worse than it ever was .... But really?
It seems more rare these days to find a healthy pitcher than a seriously injured one.
Sad.


IMO, it has to do with the babying from early minor league time through the entry into the ML.  These pitchers simply are not worked hard enough when their arms can handle it.  They should be logging more innings when young to build up arm strength and endurance.  It is pathetic when we constantly hear that a prospect moved up from AAA has never pitched more than 125-135 innings in a season.  And once they get past 150 innings their first season at the ML level (if they make it that far) they are gassed.  We were hearing about that already for Deduno.  The excuses are endless for pitchers.  Get them back into a four-man rotation and get some innings built up in these punks.  [>:]



Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 7:52:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

This HAS to be a worsening problem, isn't it? (All these arm issues)
I'm sure someone's gonna tell me it's no worse than it ever was .... But really?
It seems more rare these days to find a healthy pitcher than a seriously injured one.
Sad.


IMO, it has to do with the babying from early minor league time through the entry into the ML.  These pitchers simply are not worked hard enough when their arms can handle it.  They should be logging more innings when young to build up arm strength and endurance.  It is pathetic when we constantly hear that a prospect moved up from AAA has never pitched more than 125-135 innings in a season.  And once they get past 150 innings their first season at the ML level (if they make it that far) they are gassed.  We were hearing about that already for Deduno.  The excuses are endless for pitchers.  Get them back into a four-man rotation and get some innings built up in these punks.  [>:]


Nolan Ryan got it right with the Rangers when he took over as President.  He told the organization enough with pitch counts.  If the pitchers doing well, let him keep pitching.  Pitchers coming out of that organization have a lot more endurance.

As for more/less injuries now...well in the past they just pitched with pain.  Now they have weekly MRIs (I'm being sarcastic here) and the slightest problem means a year on the shelf with TJ surgery. 

Pitchers these days are babied. 

That's why the are wimps.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 8:22:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

This HAS to be a worsening problem, isn't it? (All these arm issues)
I'm sure someone's gonna tell me it's no worse than it ever was .... But really?
It seems more rare these days to find a healthy pitcher than a seriously injured one.
Sad.


IMO, it has to do with the babying from early minor league time through the entry into the ML.  These pitchers simply are not worked hard enough when their arms can handle it.  They should be logging more innings when young to build up arm strength and endurance.  It is pathetic when we constantly hear that a prospect moved up from AAA has never pitched more than 125-135 innings in a season.  And once they get past 150 innings their first season at the ML level (if they make it that far) they are gassed.  We were hearing about that already for Deduno.  The excuses are endless for pitchers.  Get them back into a four-man rotation and get some innings built up in these punks.  [>:]


Nolan Ryan got it right with the Rangers when he took over as President.  He told the organization enough with pitch counts.  If the pitchers doing well, let him keep pitching.  Pitchers coming out of that organization have a lot more endurance.

As for more/less injuries now...well in the past they just pitched with pain.  Now they have weekly MRIs (I'm being sarcastic here) and the slightest problem means a year on the shelf with TJ surgery. 

Pitchers these days are babied. 

That's why the are wimps.



Texas 40-man roster
Includes:

60 Day DL

RHP Neftali Feliz
LHP Matt Harrison
RHP Colby Lewis
LHP Michael Kirkman

15 Day DL
RHP Alexi Ogando
RHP Nick Tepesch



Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 8:56:56 AM)

Couldn't disagree more that pitchers aren't worked enough, and that's causing injuries.

As Ed notes, that strategy has failed in Texas.

Moreover, Harvey threw as many as 150 pitches a game in college.  He has not been babied.

I suspect the difference from the past is a fewof things: better diagnosis of injuries; guys pushing the limits of the body by throwing harder than ever (with or without PEDs); guys getting to the bigs with many more pitches under their belt from playing year-round baseball as kids.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:00:09 AM)

That's more along the lines I was thinking too
Young arms never get that long break anymore? (Between sports)



Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:03:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

That's more along the lines I was thinking too
Young arms never get that long break anymore? (Between sports)


It just blows my mind that kids are expected to pick sports by the age of 10 to play year round.  Growing up, the only guys who played anything close to year round were the hockey players...and even they took a season off to play something else.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:25:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

That's more along the lines I was thinking too
Young arms never get that long break anymore? (Between sports)


It just blows my mind that kids are expected to pick sports by the age of 10 to play year round.  Growing up, the only guys who played anything close to year round were the hockey players...and even they took a season off to play something else.



Fortunately in our area, they'll get to play multi sports.

Summer makes it tougher for baseballers. Basketball continues to intrude with summer leagues, so kids drop baseball for hoops.

Reading Cris Carter's book. Easy to understand how baseball falls by the wayside. In many areas, you don't have the $$ for the equipment,nor the space. But having a hoop to shoot at and one ball makes it easier for a lot of kids. That's one reason he says. The other is the stigma baseball has is? BORING is the description he gave it.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:31:17 AM)

I have no doubt that incorrect mechanics and too many pitches in youth baseball are impacting arms.

Our league was supposed to have a 70 pitch count.

SEVENTY at age 12, in a game, after warming up at least 2 times. And kids throwing 1/3 to 1/2 curves. Ridiculous.



Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:35:52 AM)

Yep -- soccer and basketball are the cheapest sports to play...long term, worldwide, they'll be the most popular.

As far as boring goes...it's like CC has never watched an NFL game live.  Takes three hours plus to run 60 minutes off a clock, much of which is between plays.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:36:31 AM)

Got a good chuckle out of Dickie last night, hearing him talk about how tough it is to have played 44 games in days.

Please. It's baseball.

Agree with Smalley. He's not a big interleague fan, esp from the managing standpoint, of DH/no DH.

But now with 15/15 in each league, it's not going anywhere. Unfortuantely.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:47:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Got a good chuckle out of Dickie last night, hearing him talk about how tough it is to have played 44 games in days.

Please. It's baseball.

Agree with Smalley. He's not a big interleague fan, esp from the managing standpoint, of DH/no DH.

But now with 15/15 in each league, it's not going anywhere. Unfortuantely.


the Interleague thing is a joke now anyway.  They really need to pick one or the other regarding rules and make both leagues play by it.

It's silly that the same major league has two different sets of rules.




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/28/2013 9:55:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

I have no doubt that incorrect mechanics and too many pitches in youth baseball are impacting arms.

Our league was supposed to have a 70 pitch count.

SEVENTY at age 12, in a game, after warming up at least 2 times. And kids throwing 1/3 to 1/2 curves. Ridiculous.


...which is why kids as young as 13 are blowing out their UCLs.  Ridic.



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