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JT2 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/26/2016 11:05:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Pretty cool, Mets catcher said it affected him as well.

Travis d'Arnaud said he was crying behind the plate too when Dee Gordon homered and then crossed the plate in tears.





One of the most often overlooked great things about sports, it makes your family bigger.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/26/2016 11:37:27 PM)

THIS is a manager, imo.

https://www.facebook.com/YESNet/videos/10154450717865729/




JT2 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 12:41:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

THIS is a manager, imo.

https://www.facebook.com/YESNet/videos/10154450717865729/



I swear he is Mike Tyson, extra light.




JT2 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 1:53:34 AM)

Coming off multiple shut out losses, no postseason to play for. Still fighting, literally. Why? Winning matters.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 6:07:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Coming off multiple shut out losses, no postseason to play for. Still fighting, literally. Why? Winning matters.


My brother is a Yankee fan that doesn't like Girardi. He's bitched about him for years

I just laugh and shake my head. I can't say he's a great manager, but I'd take him in a second




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 2:38:14 PM)

Jose Fernandez asked multiple Marlins players if they wanted to join him on his boat the night he died, Yahoo’s Jeff Passan reports.

“After Saturday’s game, Fernandez had asked a number of teammates to join him on the boat,” Passan reports. “One by one, they declined.”

One of the players was outfielder Marcel Ozuna, who told the Miami Herald after Monday’s game that he cautioned Fernandez against heading out on the boat.

“That night I told him, ‘Don’t go out,’” Ozuna said. “Everybody knew he was crazy about that boat and loved being out on the water. I told him I couldn’t go out that night because I had the kids and my wife waiting for me.”

Passan also published text messages one of the other victims, Eddy Rivero, sent to a friend that night. Rivero’s friend, Will Bernal, said he knew going out on the boat at night was dangerous and urged Rivero to be careful.

Fernandez, Rivero and a third man, Emilio Macias, were killed when the 32-foot boat crashed into a rock jetty at full speed.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 8:20:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

And .... Cleveland clinches the Central

(probably ok, imo)
The lesser of the other evils. [:D]

We got their Whiz Kid!




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 9:17:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

And .... Cleveland clinches the Central

(probably ok, imo)
The lesser of the other evils. [:D]

We got their Whiz Kid!



So when he pisses the future away some more...

He's the Whizzinator??




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 9:40:35 PM)

Bam!
He's here all week folks!
Try the veal!
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here!
Drive safely!




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/27/2016 11:35:36 PM)

When David Ortiz strolled to the plate, representing the go-ahead run with two outs in the ninth, Yankees manager Joe Girardi thought, "I was like, 'What are the chances he is coming up in this situation. It is kind of the way fate had it tonight." Ortiz struck out against Tyler Clippard to end the game, preventing the Red Sox from clinching the AL East.



Oh ... and HELL NO you don't plan any send-off for him Thursday night. Say BYE. That's all.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 1:27:06 PM)

From Jim Bowden on ESPN Insider
See Jim's Pick 10 for most value gained.
Pittsburgh and Ray Searage have done a great job of turning around under achieving pitchers. The turned around Liriano. Now they turned around Nova. Wonder what Searage would have done for Berrios?


Players are like stocks on the stock market. Their value fluctuates on a day-to-day, month-to-month and mostly year-to-year basis. This year, for several players there were significant swings in value changes from 2015 positive and negative.

Here are my lists of the most value gained and most value lost in 2016 based on actual performances. As in previous years, I will be predicting actual years and values for all of the top free agents later in October.

For now, here are the players whose values have changed the most.

Most Value Gained

1. Rich Hill, LHS, Los Angeles Dodgers

Hill was impressive in his four starts in September 2015 for the Red Sox, going 2-1 with a 1.55 ERA. However, because it was a small sample size, teams didn’t buy into the performance, and he had to settle for a one-year, $6 million deal with the Athletics. In 2016, he has started 19 games with a combined ERA of 2.05 between Oakland (14 games started) and Los Angeles (five). He’s the real deal. He is going to be the highest paid free-agent starter in this year’s market place.

2. Edwin Encarnacion, 1B/DH, Toronto Blue Jays

It’s hard to believe that his value could go any higher after belting 34 or more home runs in five consecutive years, but that’s going to be the case after a career high in home runs (42) and RBIs (126) in 2016. He plays every day and is showing no signs of decline. His Average Annual Value for position players could be a record high, with the only question that remains being how many years he gets.

3. Justin Turner, 3B, Los Angeles Dodgers

Turner had his breakout year last season, when he hit .294 with 16 home runs and 60 RBIs after enjoying his first opportunity to be an everyday player. However, he followed his good 2015 with a stellar 2016, registering career highs in doubles (33), home runs (27) and RBIs (89) and an OPS of .834. With so many teams looking for an upgrade at third base and his bat going to the next level, his value has skyrocketed.

4. Ian Desmond, CF, Texas Rangers

Desmond’s value plunged a season ago, after a disappointing slash line of .233/.390/.394. However, it only took him a year to get his value back close to where it was. A move to center field helped him defensively -- and indirectly on offense, as well. His .285/.335/.449 slash line resembles his best years (2012-13). For the fourth time in his career, he hit at least 20 home runs and stole at least 20 bases. His clubhouse leadership and presence has been felt in Texas -- and his wallet could feel the difference in the winter.

5. Wilson Ramos, C, Washington Nationals

A year ago, Ramos was coming off a dismal slash line of .229/.258/.358, with 15 home runs and 68 RBIs. After an offseason during which he got his family settled in the United States and had Lasik eye surgery, Wilson has put up a career-best slash line of .307/.354/.497, with 22 home runs and 80 RBIs. However, his recent ACL tear will drastically reduce the years and dollars he actually gets this offseason.

6. Yoenis Cespedes, OF, New York Mets

For whatever reasons, Cespedes didn’t get the long-term offers he expected last season. So instead he signed a creative three-year $75 million dollar deal with an opt out. He is expected to exercise that opt-out clause, which means he’ll have been paid $27 million on a one-year deal by the Mets. He’s going to get paid this time and get the years to go along with it. The only question is: Will the Mets pony up?

7. Michael Saunders, LF, Toronto Blue Jays

Saunders has always had the tools scouts love, but he has never been able to stay healthy long enough to live up to the expectations. However, this was the year he did -- hitting 32 doubles and 24 home runs for his best season to date. He made only $2.9 million last season. Expect that figure to at least triple this offseason.

8. Mark Trumbo, RF, Baltimore Orioles

The Orioles acquired Trumbo from the Mariners in the offseason, along with C.J. Riefenhauser, in a deal for backup catcher Steve Clevenger. It was the most lopsided trade of the offseason, as Trumbo went on to lead the majors in home runs with 45 and make the second All-Star Game of his career. As the motto goes, “Power pays.” He’s going to get paid.

9. Jeremy Hellickson, RHS, Philadelphia Phillies

Hellickson's value went up significantly this season, as he has a 12-10 record with a 3.78 ERA in 31 starts, while pitching half of his games at Citizens Bank Park. Before the season, no one would believe that the Phillies would make him a qualifying offer of $16.7 million. Now it’s a foregone conclusion that they will make an offer, with the strong possibility he turns it down for a more lucrative multiyear deal on the open market.

10. Ivan Nova, RHS, Pittsburgh Pirates

If you’re a failed starting pitcher and want to see your value go up the next year, just sign with the Pirates. Don’t believe me? Ask J.A. Happ, A.J. Burnett and Edinson Volquez. And after this offseason, ask Nova. Nova started the year with the Yankees; in 15 starts and 21 appearances, he had an ERA that nearly kissed 5.00. Then he goes to the Pirates, starts throwing first-pitch strikes at the knees, fills up the strike zone -- as evidenced by only three walks in 59.1 innings -- and has a 3.49 ERA in 10 starts. Don’t believe the adjustments he has made? A lot of baseball people didn’t believe in Happ or Hill last season. Nova's value is going way up.


Most Value Lost


After stumbling in Houston, Carlos Gomez has found his footing in Texas. Still, his free agent value has plummeted. Matt Brown/Angels Baseball LP/Getty Images
1. Carlos Gomez, LF, Texas Rangers

Gomez was so bad this year for the Astros that they released him and allowed him to sign with the AL West-leading Rangers. He has played much better for the Rangers and has brought some of his value back. However, he’s not close to the player he was in 2013-14, and he’ll feel it in free agency.

2. Jose Bautista, RF, Toronto Blue Jays

Bautista was looking for a long-term deal last offseason with hopes of a five- to six-year deal. However, a season of injuries and decline in numbers will lead to a smaller contract in both Average Annual Value and years. A strong postseason could help him though.

3. Matt Holliday, LF, St. Louis Cardinals

Holliday’s seven-year, $120 million dollar deal is about to expire with the team holding a 2017 option of $17 million or a $1 million buyout. It was borderline whether the Cardinals would pick the option, but after a year of injuries, it’s likely the Cards will buy out the option year and Holliday will need to sign a new deal for significantly less money.

4. Angel Pagan, LF, San Francisco Giants

Pagan, 35, has had a solid year with a .326 on-base percentage, 11 home runs and 53 RBIs. However, his expiring contract that paid him $11.25 million this year remains inflated, and he’ll need to take a pay cut and a shorter-term deal than his previous four-year, $40 million dollar contract.

5. Colby Rasmus, LF, Houston Astros

The Astros shocked the baseball world last winter when they offered Rasmus the qualifying offer of $15.8 million. They won’t make that same mistake again this offseason after his .206/.286/.355 slash line and his decrease in home runs from 25 to 15.

6. Santiago Casilla, closer, San Francisco Giants

A career-high nine blown saves and the highest ERA since 2009 will make his value plummet on the free-agent market.

7. Edinson Volquez, RHS, Kansas City Royals

Volquez had a respectable ERA of 3.04 in 2014 and then 3.55 in 2015. This season, his ERA ballooned to 5.37. That will ultimately result in a pay cut.

8. Jered Weaver, RHS, Los Angeles Angels

Weaver’s five-year, $85 million dollar contract expires this offseason. This season, he led the league in home runs allowed and had career highs in ERA (5.06) and FIP (5.61). What kind of pay cut should we expect? “Big,” as Julia Roberts said in “Pretty Woman.” “Huge.”

9. Jonathon Niese, LHS, New York Mets

Niese was traded to the Pirates in the offseason for former Silver Slugger winner Neil Walker. He was so bad for the Pirates -- as proved by an ERA of 4.91 -- he was shipped back to the Mets on Aug. 1 for reliever Antonio Bastardo. In New York, Niese had an ERA of 11.45. He is now on the 60-day disabled list. Value: gone. Now he has to be someone’s reclamation project.

10. Drew Storen, RHR, Seattle Mariners


Storen saved 95 games for the Nationals from 2010-2015 and had an impressive 1.12 ERA in 2014 in 65 appearances. He was traded in 2016 to Toronto, where he had a 6.21 ERA and was so poor that the Blue Jays dealt him to the Mariners at midseason. He has brought his value back some with a 3.63 ERA in 17 appearances in the Pacific Northwest, but he won't get close to the $8.375 million he made this year.

Top 3 Closers (Who will soar)

Based on the top prospect packages it took to acquire them, the trade deadline made it clear how much the value of impact closers are to teams. Now this offseason, their true value will be measured in dollars and years rather than prospect talent. These three closers will be the beneficiary of that changing market:

1. Aroldis Chapman, closer, Chicago Cubs

2. Kenley Jansen, closer, Los Angeles Dodgers

3. Mark Melancon, closer, Washington National




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 1:38:19 PM)

I think the ACL tear will drop Wilson Ramos' value a lot.




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 1:50:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

I think the ACL tear will drop Wilson Ramos' value a lot.

Go get him anyway. He should be good to go midseason.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 2:03:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

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ORIGINAL: MDK

I think the ACL tear will drop Wilson Ramos' value a lot.

Go get him anyway. He should be good to go midseason.


2nd time he's torn that acl.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 3:47:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

From Jim Bowden on ESPN Insider
See Jim's Pick 10 for most value gained.


8. Jered Weaver, RHS, Los Angeles Angels

Weaver’s five-year, $85 million dollar contract expires this offseason. This season, he led the league in home runs allowed and had career highs in ERA (5.06) and FIP (5.61). What kind of pay cut should we expect? “Big,” as Julia Roberts said in “Pretty Woman.” “Huge.”

9. Jonathon Niese, LHS, New York Mets

Niese was traded to the Pirates in the offseason for former Silver Slugger winner Neil Walker. He was so bad for the Pirates -- as proved by an ERA of 4.91 -- he was shipped back to the Mets on Aug. 1 for reliever Antonio Bastardo. In New York, Niese had an ERA of 11.45. He is now on the 60-day disabled list. Value: gone. Now he has to be someone’s reclamation project.





If Terry Ryan were still here...

THESE would be the guys we overpaid for.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 5:03:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

From Jim Bowden on ESPN Insider
See Jim's Pick 10 for most value gained.


8. Jered Weaver, RHS, Los Angeles Angels

Weaver’s five-year, $85 million dollar contract expires this offseason. This season, he led the league in home runs allowed and had career highs in ERA (5.06) and FIP (5.61). What kind of pay cut should we expect? “Big,” as Julia Roberts said in “Pretty Woman.” “Huge.”

9. Jonathon Niese, LHS, New York Mets

Niese was traded to the Pirates in the offseason for former Silver Slugger winner Neil Walker. He was so bad for the Pirates -- as proved by an ERA of 4.91 -- he was shipped back to the Mets on Aug. 1 for reliever Antonio Bastardo. In New York, Niese had an ERA of 11.45. He is now on the 60-day disabled list. Value: gone. Now he has to be someone’s reclamation project.





If Terry Ryan were still here...

THESE would be the guys we overpaid for.


Yep....I could see TR making a big push to land Jered Weaver. Thankfully, we have too many mediocre pitchers tied to deals and TR is no longer GM.




JT2 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 9:42:08 PM)

Of all the .200ish hitters, the one I would least want to face with the bases loaded, late, is Teixeira.

Sox have some closer issues.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 11:46:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Of all the .200ish hitters, the one I would least want to face with the bases loaded, late, is Teixeira.

Sox have some closer issues.

He's been like Big Shot Rob over the years.
Agree.
Hope it bites the Red Sox in the ass badly, once the playoffs start.




JT2 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/28/2016 11:59:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

Of all the .200ish hitters, the one I would least want to face with the bases loaded, late, is Teixeira.

Sox have some closer issues.

He's been like Big Shot Rob over the years.
Agree.
Hope it bites the Red Sox in the ass badly, once the playoffs start.



AL Champ is hard to predict for me. I'd like to say Toronto, but I still think they are too right-handed. Going with the Rangers.




JT2 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2016 12:04:40 AM)

Brian Dozier and Freddie Freeman with remarkable seasons on lousy teams. Kudos to both. Professional.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2016 12:16:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

Of all the .200ish hitters, the one I would least want to face with the bases loaded, late, is Teixeira.

Sox have some closer issues.

He's been like Big Shot Rob over the years.
Agree.
Hope it bites the Red Sox in the ass badly, once the playoffs start.



AL Champ is hard to predict for me. I'd like to say Toronto, but I still think they are too right-handed. Going with the Rangers.

I'd like either the Rangers or Jays, I'm good with both.
But I'm scared shitless that its another year where everything will come up Red Sock. [X(]




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2016 12:16:46 AM)

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Brian Dozier and Freddie Freeman with remarkable seasons on lousy teams. Kudos to both. Professional.

Its not easy pounding away when you have so little help around you.
Agreed. That's called being professional.
I watch a lot of other games and teams .. and its amazing how much gushing goes on over 30 home runs or even 25.
For a guy like BD to hit over 40 ... pretty special.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2016 12:19:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Of all the .200ish hitters, the one I would least want to face with the bases loaded, late, is Teixeira.

Sox have some closer issues.

That was very Big Papi-ish tonight.
Great way to celebrate your own last couple of games, Tex.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/3/2016 6:31:59 AM)

I feel a certain glee watching Alex Gordon quickly become the bottom of the barrel dregs that he is now. I always saw him as a wannabe and a poser. He gets the golden sombrero in the final game yesterday.

The Royals have him locked up for 20 million in 2018 and 2019. He will be their version of Joe Mauer and THAT is a beautiful thing.
Couldn't happen to a better bunch[&:]

To hell with the Royals. I was supporting them in the post season, but I cannot stand them or Ned Yost. Here's hoping they start circling the drain hard




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/3/2016 8:21:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

I feel a certain glee watching Alex Gordon quickly become the bottom of the barrel dregs that he is now. I always saw him as a wannabe and a poser. He gets the golden sombrero in the final game yesterday.

The Royals have him locked up for 20 million in 2018 and 2019. He will be their version of Joe Mauer and THAT is a beautiful thing.
Couldn't happen to a better bunch[&:]

To hell with the Royals. I was supporting them in the post season, but I cannot stand them or Ned Yost. Here's hoping they start circling the drain hard

Lots of outside factors fell into place contributing to their lucky two year run. Luckiest team in baseball history.




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