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twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/30/2024 11:37:14 AM)

Yankees fans ripped the ball out of Mookie's glove and the Yankees "win" the game. Sad really.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (12/12/2024 6:51:49 PM)

Dick Allen and Dave Parker now HOFers. About time.




David Levine -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (2/21/2025 6:43:24 PM)

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Major League Baseball and ESPN have “mutually agreed” to end their national television deal after the upcoming 2025 season. Rob Manfred wrote the league has “not been pleased with the minimal coverage that MLB has received on ESPN’s platforms over the past several years outside of the actual live game coverage.”

MLB and ESPN had a deal in place that would have run through 2028. The broadcaster informed the league of its decision to opt out on Thursday morning. MLB responded by saying they also would opt out.

The network was due to pay the league an estimated $550 million each of the next three years, which it deemed way above the current market value, according to people briefed on the network’s thinking.


https://baseball.realgm.com/wiretap/59415/MLB-ESPN-Mutually-Agree-To-End-$550M-Per-Year-Media-Rights-Deal

By contrast, the NBA is set to make over $7 billion a year from their new TV rights partners -- ESPN, NBC, Amazon -- starting with the 2025-2026 season.

NFL is over $11 billion a year in TV money.

Another data point is that the Dodgers are estimated to get over $300 million a year for local TV rights.

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Yes, the Dodgers are exploiting the system through a formula of signing bonuses and deferred payments, using money generated from a 25-year, $8.35 billion local-television deal and their league-leading attendance every year since 2013. No other team operates from such a financial foundation.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6076507/2025/01/21/los-angeles-dodgers-system-advantage/




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (3/21/2025 2:18:08 PM)

Plus the Dodgers could make money from Ohtani's contract. This is from the LA Times in 2023; there are other articles that discuss other ways.


Like Ohtani, MLB’s only two-way star, his contract is unique as an unprecedented business opportunity for the Dodgers, according to industry and financial experts.

He easily could net the club $50 million annually in additional marketing and advertising revenues. He already is making himself a reported $50 million in endorsements, contributing to his apparent indifference to maximizing his Dodgers salary.

Most of all, he is giving the Dodgers and their owners the ultimate financial gifts: 1) the ability to save money in the short term by deferring $680 million of his salary until the contract is complete; and 2) the potential to profit off the income that money will generate in the meantime, a dynamic that could transform an already big-spending franchise into MLB’s biggest financial behemoth.

“They’re getting a huge financial windfall for this contract [when compared to the $460-million present value disclosed],” said finance expert Morrie Aaron, founder and president of MCA Financial Group. “They’ll make a lot of money — a lot of money — on this thing.”

One rival agent offered up a jaw-dropping estimate.

“This may be close to an $800 million to $1 billion gain for the Dodgers over a decade,” the agent said, noting that if the team were to simply take the $680 million in deferrals and invest it — say, with an asset management firm like Guggenheim Partners, which is run by Dodgers owner Mark Walter — then the money could more than double in a decade’s time.

“They may be able to make $1 billion extra,” the agent reiterated.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (4/7/2025 10:21:40 AM)

Did you know the Mariners have a switch-pitcher in the minors?

https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/mariners-switch-pitching-prospect-jurrangelo-cijntje-pro-debut




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (5/6/2025 3:33:03 PM)

Dodgers have like 7-8 meaningful pitchers on the IL, a few are out for the season.

Their high injury rate has gone on too long for it to be coincidental.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2025 9:33:55 AM)

So here we go with the MLB postseason.

Normally I root as follows. If My Twins are in, I root for them. Since they suck donkey nuts...

My next argument is thus. Anyone facing the Yankees are my favorite team that game. So Go Redsux.

After that I would prefer some teams not succeed too, like the Dodgers.

But at this point I start rooting for whomever has the longest wait since their last WS win.

So , since the Mariners have never even played in one, I will root for them then the Brewers who played in the WS in 1983. Then I will go Cleveland, last won in 1948 or so. Detroit won in 84. Toronto in 93 Phily and the Dodgers most recently.


My hopes are for a WS between the Mariners and Brewers or Padres.

After that in this order
AL Mariners, Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Redsox, Yankees

NL Brewers, Padres, Reds, Phillies, Cubs Dodgers.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2025 12:52:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

So here we go with the MLB postseason.

Normally I root as follows. If My Twins are in, I root for them. Since they suck donkey nuts...

My next argument is thus. Anyone facing the Yankees are my favorite team that game. So Go Redsux.

After that I would prefer some teams not succeed too, like the Dodgers.

But at this point I start rooting for whomever has the longest wait since their last WS win.

So , since the Mariners have never even played in one, I will root for them then the Brewers who played in the WS in 1983. Then I will go Cleveland, last won in 1948 or so. Detroit won in 84. Toronto in 93 Phily and the Dodgers most recently.


My hopes are for a WS between the Mariners and Brewers or Padres.

After that in this order
AL Mariners, Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Redsox, Yankees

NL Brewers, Padres, Reds, Phillies, Cubs Dodgers.

Man, I think my 5 least favorite teams are in the playoffs: Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and Dodgers.




boydster -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/30/2025 7:42:24 PM)

Everyone here in WI is saying win it for Bob U. and I am ok with that. at least I can say I watched a Championship team play




David Levine -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/18/2025 11:53:10 AM)

Ohtani, the Greatest Shoh on Earth, just had the greatest game in baseball history

LOS ANGELES — There are stars. There are rock stars. And then there’s whatever supernatural phenomenon that Shohei Ohtani is.

There is history. There is postseason history. And then there’s whatever that was we witnessed Friday evening from the Greatest Shoh on Earth, in a stadium full of people at storied Chavez Ravine who still can’t believe what they’re seeing, no matter how many times they see it.

So what was it they saw? There’s no other way to put this:

A man named Ohtani had the single greatest game any human has ever had on a baseball field … assuming that term, “human,” even describes him.

Let’s rip through the highlight reel. It’s ridiculous.

• The starting pitcher for the Dodgers hit three home runs in one postseason game.

• Those three homers traveled a projected 1,342 feet — and it’s hard to know if that projection is accurate, since one of them left the stadium and might still be hopping along the Hollywood Freeway for all we know.

• Meanwhile, in his alternate life as an unhittable bat-destroyer, Ohtani spun off a 10-strikeout two-hitter over the six-plus innings he got to hang out on the mound.

• And hey, just for the fun of it, he threw two pitches harder than 100 mph.

• Oh, and he did this in the game that reserved the Dodgers’ all-expense-paid trip to the World Series, where they will try to become MLB’s first repeat champion in a quarter-century.

• And let’s mention this again, because we really can’t remind you enough: He’s one person, doing all this in the same world we reside in.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6728157/2025/10/18/shohei-ohtani-world-series-greatest-postseason-game/




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/19/2025 9:57:28 AM)

By comparison, a minor fun fact: Ohtani didn’t just hit three homers -- he crushed them, at exit velocities of 116.5 mph, 116.9 mph and 113.6 mph. He became the first player with multiple home runs of at least 116 mph in any regular season or postseason game under Statcast (2015). Again, in a game he pitched.

There is no single superlative to describe Ohtani. He starts the 1st inning by striking out three (one walk). Hurries to put on all the hitter garb/protection. Leads off the bottom of the first by jacking a HR.

He said he wasn't batting well and had a batting practice at Dodgers Stadium. The results were obvious.




Mark Anderson -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/19/2025 7:20:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

By comparison, a minor fun fact: Ohtani didn’t just hit three homers -- he crushed them, at exit velocities of 116.5 mph, 116.9 mph and 113.6 mph. He became the first player with multiple home runs of at least 116 mph in any regular season or postseason game under Statcast (2015). Again, in a game he pitched.

There is no single superlative to describe Ohtani. He starts the 1st inning by striking out three (one walk). Hurries to put on all the hitter garb/protection. Leads off the bottom of the first by jacking a HR.

He said he wasn't batting well and had a batting practice at Dodgers Stadium. The results were obvious.

He was great. Awesome talent. Generational player.

Don't all players have batting practice before every game?




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/19/2025 8:31:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

By comparison, a minor fun fact: Ohtani didn’t just hit three homers -- he crushed them, at exit velocities of 116.5 mph, 116.9 mph and 113.6 mph. He became the first player with multiple home runs of at least 116 mph in any regular season or postseason game under Statcast (2015). Again, in a game he pitched.

There is no single superlative to describe Ohtani. He starts the 1st inning by striking out three (one walk). Hurries to put on all the hitter garb/protection. Leads off the bottom of the first by jacking a HR.

He said he wasn't batting well and had a batting practice at Dodgers Stadium. The results were obvious.

He was great. Awesome talent. Generational player.

Don't all players have batting practice before every game?


Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

The batting practice was an off schedule thing he decided to do. Read he never does that. He misses some batting-related things like meetings for games he pitches.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/19/2025 8:35:39 PM)

Knew he was great. Never know how great until following him as a Dodger.

Heck, who goes from a private club of 50+ HR and 50+ Stolen Bases to a private club of 50+ HR and 50+ Strike Outs as a pitcher? Nobody. Ever.




Mark Anderson -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/19/2025 9:28:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

By comparison, a minor fun fact: Ohtani didn’t just hit three homers -- he crushed them, at exit velocities of 116.5 mph, 116.9 mph and 113.6 mph. He became the first player with multiple home runs of at least 116 mph in any regular season or postseason game under Statcast (2015). Again, in a game he pitched.

There is no single superlative to describe Ohtani. He starts the 1st inning by striking out three (one walk). Hurries to put on all the hitter garb/protection. Leads off the bottom of the first by jacking a HR.

He said he wasn't batting well and had a batting practice at Dodgers Stadium. The results were obvious.

He was great. Awesome talent. Generational player.

Don't all players have batting practice before every game?


Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

The batting practice was an off schedule thing he decided to do. Read he never does that. He misses some batting-related things like meetings for games he pitches.

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If he can keep his arm healthy, he could be GOAT.

Babe Ruth 714 HRs 94 Wins and miniscule ERA




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 10:37:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

By comparison, a minor fun fact: Ohtani didn’t just hit three homers -- he crushed them, at exit velocities of 116.5 mph, 116.9 mph and 113.6 mph. He became the first player with multiple home runs of at least 116 mph in any regular season or postseason game under Statcast (2015). Again, in a game he pitched.

There is no single superlative to describe Ohtani. He starts the 1st inning by striking out three (one walk). Hurries to put on all the hitter garb/protection. Leads off the bottom of the first by jacking a HR.

He said he wasn't batting well and had a batting practice at Dodgers Stadium. The results were obvious.

He was great. Awesome talent. Generational player.

Don't all players have batting practice before every game?


Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

The batting practice was an off schedule thing he decided to do. Read he never does that. He misses some batting-related things like meetings for games he pitches.


If he can keep his arm healthy, he could be GOAT.

Babe Ruth 714 HRs 94 Wins and miniscule ERA


2.28 ERA. Ruth pitched during the dead-ball era, then transitioned to hitting full time during the live-ball era. So he really benefitted before and after that major change. In the small sample size where he pitched in the live-ball era, he was lit up. 27 innings, 17 earned runs, etc.

Not comparing eras that are 100 years apart, but that was a monumental series of rule changes in 1920.

The MLB "dead-ball era" refers to a period roughly from 1900 to 1920, characterized by low-scoring games and a scarcity of home runs. This was caused by factors such as using a single, worn-out ball for an entire game, which became softer and harder to see, and legal but difficult-to-hit spitballs. Other contributing factors included rules like the foul strike rule and changes in park dimensions. The era ended suddenly around 1920 due to rule changes, like the ban on foreign substances on balls after a player's death, which made the ball livelier and easier to hit.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 10:41:36 AM)

And another notable difference is Ohtani has pitched and hit almost his entire career. Ruth pitched for about 5 years, at the beginning of his career.




Mark Anderson -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 10:58:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

And another notable difference is Ohtani has pitched and hit almost his entire career. Ruth pitched for about 5 years, at the beginning of his career.

It's tough to compare era's. Mantle, Mays, Dimaggio, Aaron are all in the conversation.

Today you have specialized pitchers all throwing gas. Back then it was probably 80-85 MPH fastball.

But, today if you throw inside too much, you can get ejected. Back then they threw at people's heads and it was part of the game. The deterrent was the other team would return the favor.

I'm not dismissing Ohtani at all. Love to watch him play.

Bad part about baseball right now is it looks like a work stoppage is on the horizon. Most teams(Owners) want hard salary cap and the players say no way.




David Levine -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 11:21:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

By comparison, a minor fun fact: Ohtani didn’t just hit three homers -- he crushed them, at exit velocities of 116.5 mph, 116.9 mph and 113.6 mph. He became the first player with multiple home runs of at least 116 mph in any regular season or postseason game under Statcast (2015). Again, in a game he pitched.

There is no single superlative to describe Ohtani. He starts the 1st inning by striking out three (one walk). Hurries to put on all the hitter garb/protection. Leads off the bottom of the first by jacking a HR.

He said he wasn't batting well and had a batting practice at Dodgers Stadium. The results were obvious.

He was great. Awesome talent. Generational player.

Don't all players have batting practice before every game?


Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

The batting practice was an off schedule thing he decided to do. Read he never does that. He misses some batting-related things like meetings for games he pitches.


If he can keep his arm healthy, he could be GOAT.

Babe Ruth 714 HRs 94 Wins and miniscule ERA


2.28 ERA. Ruth pitched during the dead-ball era, then transitioned to hitting full time during the live-ball era. So he really benefitted before and after that major change. In the small sample size where he pitched in the live-ball era, he was lit up. 27 innings, 17 earned runs, etc.

Not comparing eras that are 100 years apart, but that was a monumental series of rule changes in 1920.

The MLB "dead-ball era" refers to a period roughly from 1900 to 1920, characterized by low-scoring games and a scarcity of home runs. This was caused by factors such as using a single, worn-out ball for an entire game, which became softer and harder to see, and legal but difficult-to-hit spitballs. Other contributing factors included rules like the foul strike rule and changes in park dimensions. The era ended suddenly around 1920 due to rule changes, like the ban on foreign substances on balls after a player's death, which made the ball livelier and easier to hit.


1. Three homers on the October stage
Don’t even bother asking: Has any team’s starting pitcher ever mashed three home runs in one postseason game? That’s hilarious. Of course no pitcher has ever had a three-homer game in any postseason.

Or even a two-homer game.

Perhaps this would put those three long balls in better perspective: Only two starting pitchers have ever even hit two postseason home runs in their entire careers: Bob Gibson (in 1964 and ’68) and Dave McNally (in 1966 and ’74).

So friends, seeing as how all pitchers not named Ohtani aren’t even allowed near a bat rack anymore, that’s a record that will never be broken.

Unless Ohtani breaks it!

2. Even Babe Ruth never did this
Once upon a time, back in the early days of Ohtani history, you might remember how it was fashionable to call him a modern-day Babe Ruth, or something like that. Well, wasn’t that cute.

The Babe pitched in 166 games in his career, counting the postseason — and only once in all those games did he even hit two homers in a game. That was on June 13, 1921, as a Yankee. You know how many strikeouts he totaled on the mound that day? That would be one.

So the closest I could come to connecting the dots from Babe to Ohtani was this: According to my friends from STATS Perform, only three players have ever hit three home runs in a regular-season game and even thrown a pitch in a postseason game:

Babe Ruth
Jim Tobin*
Shohei Ohtani

*Tobin was the only pitcher in the modern era to homer three times in a game (on May 13, 1942) … until Friday!

7. A career in one night
Finally, here’s one more history lesson. Would you believe that Willie Mays never hit two home runs (or more) in a postseason game? Neither did Henry Aaron, Mark McGwire, Mike Schmidt or Ken Griffey Jr.

Meanwhile, Bob Feller never struck out 10 hitters (or more) in a postseason game. Neither did Juan Marichal, Jack Morris or Christy Mathewson.

But have we mentioned that a superhero named Ohtani just did both on the same night?

That inspired STATS’ Greg Harvey to compile this staggering list of all the players in history who have had a multi-homer game and a double-digit strikeout game in their postseason career:

Shohei Ohtani.

Who just did both of those … in the same game.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6728157/2025/10/18/shohei-ohtani-world-series-greatest-postseason-game/




David Levine -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 11:22:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.



Not just for baseball. He's in the conversation for GOAT Pro Athlete.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 12:42:54 PM)

I know they have the Ohtani rule, which allows him to stay in the game as a DH even after he's pulled from the game as a starting pitcher.

But have they covered the scenario where he starts as a DH, but comes in as a relief pitcher? Because I get the feeling he's not going to be a starting pitcher much longer.

If a DH moves to another position mid-game, the team loses its DH for the rest of the game. So if Ohtani moves from DH to pitcher mid-game, shouldn't the same hold true? They should lose their DH for the rest of the game. While Ohtani is still in the game as a relief pitcher, fine and dandy for the Dodgers (Ohtani would hit as the pitcher). But once Ohtani comes out of the game as a relief pitcher, the Dodgers should have the pitcher locked into the DH slot and Ohtani is out of the game completely. It would probably be a relatively rare occurrence since I suspect he might be a closer. But it could be a big deal in a long extra-inning playoff game.




Ricky J -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 2:05:01 PM)

And 24 years ago today, Kent Hrbek, nice guy that he is, tries to prevent Ron Gant from falling to the ground after coming back hard into first base, by lifting him up ... ;)




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 2:48:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I know they have the Ohtani rule, which allows him to stay in the game as a DH even after he's pulled from the game as a starting pitcher.

But have they covered the scenario where he starts as a DH, but comes in as a relief pitcher? Because I get the feeling he's not going to be a starting pitcher much longer.

If a DH moves to another position mid-game, the team loses its DH for the rest of the game. So if Ohtani moves from DH to pitcher mid-game, shouldn't the same hold true? They should lose their DH for the rest of the game. While Ohtani is still in the game as a relief pitcher, fine and dandy for the Dodgers (Ohtani would hit as the pitcher). But once Ohtani comes out of the game as a relief pitcher, the Dodgers should have the pitcher locked into the DH slot and Ohtani is out of the game completely. It would probably be a relatively rare occurrence since I suspect he might be a closer. But it could be a big deal in a long extra-inning playoff game.



Where do you get the feeling he isn't going to be a starting pitcher much longer. He has ace level stuff.

Add to that he hits and steals well. It's why he's a frontrunner every year for the MVP.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 3:20:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I know they have the Ohtani rule, which allows him to stay in the game as a DH even after he's pulled from the game as a starting pitcher.

But have they covered the scenario where he starts as a DH, but comes in as a relief pitcher? Because I get the feeling he's not going to be a starting pitcher much longer.

If a DH moves to another position mid-game, the team loses its DH for the rest of the game. So if Ohtani moves from DH to pitcher mid-game, shouldn't the same hold true? They should lose their DH for the rest of the game. While Ohtani is still in the game as a relief pitcher, fine and dandy for the Dodgers (Ohtani would hit as the pitcher). But once Ohtani comes out of the game as a relief pitcher, the Dodgers should have the pitcher locked into the DH slot and Ohtani is out of the game completely. It would probably be a relatively rare occurrence since I suspect he might be a closer. But it could be a big deal in a long extra-inning playoff game.



Where do you get the feeling he isn't going to be a starting pitcher much longer. He has ace level stuff.

Add to that he hits and steals well. It's why he's a frontrunner every year for the MVP.

Just a hunch. Hard throwers tend to end up in the bullpen. I think the Dodgers will consider him an injury risk not worth taking a chance on and will lighten his load.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (10/20/2025 5:04:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I know they have the Ohtani rule, which allows him to stay in the game as a DH even after he's pulled from the game as a starting pitcher.

But have they covered the scenario where he starts as a DH, but comes in as a relief pitcher? Because I get the feeling he's not going to be a starting pitcher much longer.

If a DH moves to another position mid-game, the team loses its DH for the rest of the game. So if Ohtani moves from DH to pitcher mid-game, shouldn't the same hold true? They should lose their DH for the rest of the game. While Ohtani is still in the game as a relief pitcher, fine and dandy for the Dodgers (Ohtani would hit as the pitcher). But once Ohtani comes out of the game as a relief pitcher, the Dodgers should have the pitcher locked into the DH slot and Ohtani is out of the game completely. It would probably be a relatively rare occurrence since I suspect he might be a closer. But it could be a big deal in a long extra-inning playoff game.



Where do you get the feeling he isn't going to be a starting pitcher much longer. He has ace level stuff.

Add to that he hits and steals well. It's why he's a frontrunner every year for the MVP.

Just a hunch. Hard throwers tend to end up in the bullpen. I think the Dodgers will consider him an injury risk not worth taking a chance on and will lighten his load.


If they thought that, they'd have him pitch in relief. Instead, as a STARTING pitcher he just made history.

As for the question, after his relief stint he could not be a DH unless he shifted to a position. There were past questions whether the outfield was in play. He could do that or maybe first base.




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