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Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:26:40 PM)
quote: Even Randy Moss didn't put up these numbers his rookie season. Moss 69 catches 1319 yards 17 touchdowns Currently Jefferson 61 catches 1039 yards 7 touchdowns

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:27:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: seriously, it’s still impossible to believe the Vikings staff preferred Olabisi Johnson those first two games Some are not surprised by that It really isn't that impossible to believe. Jefferson is exceeding expectations, but there is no way the coaching staff could have known he would. I think they could have projected that he would be better than Bisi Johnson on day 1. That would have been pure speculation. And I don't think they would have as easily as you think after their last couple first round WRs did such a fine job of panning out. I would think that Jefferson in training camp likely was more impressive than Bisi Johnson, but I'm sure you're right.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:28:27 PM)
Bisi Johnson was not better than Jefferson at any point this season Day 20, Day 40, or DAY ONE I'm confident in saying that [&:] And won't be convinced otherwise.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:29:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Bisi Johnson was not better than Jefferson at any point this season Day 20, Day 40, or DAY ONE I'm confident in saying that [&:] And won't be convinced otherwise. Hey Moss wasn't close to these numbers either [;)]

Trekgeekscott -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:30:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Bisi Johnson was not better than Jefferson at any point this season Day 20, Day 40, or DAY ONE I'm confident in saying that [&:] And won't be convinced otherwise. Believe what you want. I believe it now. and I'm sure he was more talented then. But the coaching staff had NO WAY to evaluate that before week one except for practices. and with their history of Treadwell and Patterson the last two first round WRs, they had to be skeptical about how good JJ was going to be at that point.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:32:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Bisi Johnson was not better than Jefferson at any point this season Day 20, Day 40, or DAY ONE I'm confident in saying that [&:] And won't be convinced otherwise. Believe what you want. I believe it now. and I'm sure he was more talented then. But the coaching staff had NO WAY to evaluate that before week one except for practices. and with their history of Treadwell and Patterson the last two first round WRs, they had to be skeptical about how good JJ was going to be at that point. If coaches hesitate to play the new guy because they didn't get it right the 2 previous tries with WRs They shouldn't be coaches.

TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:39:16 PM)
Look at Bisi Johnson last year and Jefferson in college last year. It didn't take Bill Belichick to know Jefferson would play at a higher level. I mean they didn't have preseason games, but they had drills and practices. It couldn't have been that hard to figure out.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:40:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Look at Bisi Johnson last year and Jefferson in college last year. It didn't take Bill Belichick to know Jefferson would play at a higher level. I mean they didn't have preseason games, but they had drills and practices. It couldn't have been that hard to figure out. Apparently it was. Apparently thought he was a slot receiver only, if you believe what the TV commentators have said more than once. It's turned out well for the Vikings. yay.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:43:24 PM)
harkens back to the old Gardy "I wear the uniform here for a reason" bullshit Sometimes its simple, just say "wow, did we screw that up" But.... they can't. it's my barometer for judging people in life. Can you laugh about yourself? Can you admit it when you screw up? Can you humbly accept that some failures are self created?

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:44:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan harkens back to the old Gardy "I wear the uniform here for a reason" bullshit Sometimes its simple, just say "wow, did we screw that up" But.... they can't. it's my barometer for judging people in life. Can you laugh about yourself? Can you admit it when you screw up? Can you humbly accept that some failures are self created? Self created vs Self-inflicted. I lean toward the latter [&:]

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:45:00 PM)
Gardy wore the uniform for one reason, to test the stitching I don't think that's what he meant tho

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:45:22 PM)
quote: the old Gardy "I wear the uniform here for a reason" bullshit One of the most arrogant runs of his illustrious career as a manager. What a load of garbage that was.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:48:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Bisi Johnson was not better than Jefferson at any point this season Day 20, Day 40, or DAY ONE I'm confident in saying that [&:] And won't be convinced otherwise. Believe what you want. I believe it now. and I'm sure he was more talented then. But the coaching staff had NO WAY to evaluate that before week one except for practices. and with their history of Treadwell and Patterson the last two first round WRs, they had to be skeptical about how good JJ was going to be at that point. If coaches hesitate to play the new guy because they didn't get it right the 2 previous tries with WRs They shouldn't be coaches. Well, I don't think very highly of our coaching staff now. but experience is part of the game. And their experience with the last two WRs tainted their observations on this one, at least IMHO. There are plenty of things to criticize these coaches for. And some things to give them credit for. They aren't going to get everything right, and we can sit here with hindsight and think they should have been smarter but NOBODY knew this was going to happen with JJ. We're all happy it did. But we could only hope then. Randy Moss was not a starter in his first games either. Though he did get to play more IIRC.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:50:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Look at Bisi Johnson last year and Jefferson in college last year. It didn't take Bill Belichick to know Jefferson would play at a higher level. I mean they didn't have preseason games, but they had drills and practices. It couldn't have been that hard to figure out. FWIW I don't think Belichick would have started JJ week one under these conditions either.

TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:50:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Gardy wore the uniform for one reason, to test the stitching I don't think that's what he meant tho [sm=lmao.gif][sm=lmao.gif][sm=lmao.gif]

Trekgeekscott -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:54:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Gardy wore the uniform for one reason, to test the stitching I don't think that's what he meant tho [sm=lmao.gif][sm=lmao.gif][sm=lmao.gif] Well the uniform did match really well with his beat red face

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/8/2020 3:59:04 PM)
quote: Randy Moss was not a starter in his first games either. Well Jake Reed as the other starter in a 2 WR set was slightly better than Bisi Johnson. Reed was coming off 1138 receiving yards in 1997 and was 30. A veteran Johnson was coming off 31 catches for 294 yards, in his second year and Jefferson was coming off over 100 catches in an elite D1 college passing program So yeah, there's no doubt the coaches would be hesitant about his ability.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/9/2020 10:03:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed I see the kid Philly drafted returned a punt for a score. Still thanking them for taking him. Most receptions 20+ yards downfield: 1. Justin Jefferson - 14 T-2. D.K. Metcalf - 12 T-2. Tyreek Hill - 12 And again in the game yesterday, Feely talked about how they thought the first 2 games he was just a slot receiver. Smart guys those Vikings coaching/personnel folk are. Couple of the talking heads on the cities channels brought it up last night ... "and tell us again, how this kid wasn't ready week 1 or 2, but suddenly was in week 3?" Lets roll out the excuses again, like we do on all things Viking. He did have COVID....not sure how that played out. Also I think Jefferson is playing outside instead of slot.....the kid sure has it. Amazing how great that trade ended up for both teams.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/9/2020 10:19:54 AM)
It seems Jefferson follows a common theme if you aren't sure which WR to pick....just draft the LSU one. OBJ Chark Gage Landry

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/9/2020 10:27:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed I see the kid Philly drafted returned a punt for a score. Still thanking them for taking him. Most receptions 20+ yards downfield: 1. Justin Jefferson - 14 T-2. D.K. Metcalf - 12 T-2. Tyreek Hill - 12 And again in the game yesterday, Feely talked about how they thought the first 2 games he was just a slot receiver. Smart guys those Vikings coaching/personnel folk are. Couple of the talking heads on the cities channels brought it up last night ... "and tell us again, how this kid wasn't ready week 1 or 2, but suddenly was in week 3?" Lets roll out the excuses again, like we do on all things Viking. He did have COVID....not sure how that played out. Also I think Jefferson is playing outside instead of slot.....the kid sure has it. Amazing how great that trade ended up for both teams. I do have to admit, after watching a couple Bills games ... that damn Diggs gets stuff done. A lot of stuff. That's not a JJ knock, just sayin, Diggs is still a knothead, but damn, he plays hard and competes, and succeeds. As was said ... rare time when both teams benefited greatly

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/9/2020 3:18:12 PM)
quote: In July. Our Top 2 DLineman: Hunter and Pierce Top 2 LBs: Kendricks and Barr Top 2 CBs: Hughes and Hill Hill has now been waived. That was a fall from top 2 CB in July.

Bill Jandro -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/10/2020 5:05:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed I see the kid Philly drafted returned a punt for a score. Still thanking them for taking him. Most receptions 20+ yards downfield: 1. Justin Jefferson - 14 T-2. D.K. Metcalf - 12 T-2. Tyreek Hill - 12 And again in the game yesterday, Feely talked about how they thought the first 2 games he was just a slot receiver. Smart guys those Vikings coaching/personnel folk are. Couple of the talking heads on the cities channels brought it up last night ... "and tell us again, how this kid wasn't ready week 1 or 2, but suddenly was in week 3?" Lets roll out the excuses again, like we do on all things Viking. He did have COVID....not sure how that played out. Also I think Jefferson is playing outside instead of slot.....the kid sure has it. Amazing how great that trade ended up for both teams. I do have to admit, after watching a couple Bills games ... that damn Diggs gets stuff done. A lot of stuff. That's not a JJ knock, just sayin, Diggs is still a knothead, but damn, he plays hard and competes, and succeeds. As was said ... rare time when both teams benefited greatly As of right now I'd say we won the trade. We got a young guy putting up similar numbers on a rookie contract. plus a couple picks.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/11/2020 2:31:14 PM)
Are we in some GD stupid 6 team league? How many bleeping times do we have to play Seattle and New Orleans in a decade? When did that asshole BETTMANN! start doing the NFL schedule? Why am I yelling? I guess i just looked at what the Vikings have left and thought it was a joke. FOR GOD SAKES THERE ARE OTHER TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE THAN THOSE TWO !!!!!!!

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/11/2020 2:34:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Are we in some GD stupid 6 team league? How many bleeping times do we have to play Seattle and New Orleans in a decade? When did that asshole BETTMANN! start doing the NFL schedule? Why am I yelling? I guess i just looked at what the Vikings have left and thought it was a joke. FOR GOD SAKES THERE ARE OTHER TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE THAN THOSE TWO !!!!!!! Yup, that formula has rarely made a lot of sense to me. Kendricks is out this week again Rudolph may be too I think the Vikings play one or both of those 2 ever year (SEA/NO)

Jeff Jesser -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (12/11/2020 2:35:45 PM)
It's the first time since 1936 that we don't play the Giants.

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