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Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 7:07:13 AM)

Monday night

Chatt gave up 3 runs in last 2 innings, but held on for a 4-3 win

Wickens 24-/double/R, Meneses 2-3/RBI/SB(8), Goodrum 1-4/triple/R/SB(7), Vargas 1-4/R

Hurlbut 5-4 7IP 5H/2BB
Atchison IP 3H/R/K
Muren IP H/2R/2BB/K/Save(1)


FTM lost 3-2

Walker 2-3/BB/R, Garver 2-4/R, Kanzler 1-4/triple/RBI

Slegers 6-5 8.1IP 4H/3R/2ER/BB/K
Williams .1IP 0-1 IRS
Gallant .1IP H/K/1-2 IRS


Eliz rained out

Gordon now has a 13 game hitting streak at CRapids



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 9:12:51 AM)

Part of Dave Cameron's "trade value" series, ranking the top 50 players in the game based on trade value. TBH, Buxton is a lot lower on the list than I'd imagine, but Dave makes good points re: the reasons. He gets healthy again, he shoots up this list. He still currently slots a few spots ahead of last night's HR champ, which is impressive in itself. FWIW, Dozier "just missed" the cut. Which seems fair. You'd be hardpressed to find a GM that would trade Buxton for Dozier straight up, for example.

#42: Byron Buxton, OF, Minnesota
Controlled Through: 2021
Guaranteed Dollars: None
2016 ZIPS WAR: +2.7
Five year ZIPS WAR: +17.6
Last Year: #38
If Buxton could stay healthy, he’d likely be ranked significantly higher than this, as both scouts and ZIPS see a star in the making. But as the injuries continue to pile up, it’s becoming fair to question how the lost development time will affect him, and whether he’ll ever play enough to live up to the substantial hype. The tools are there for Buxton to be a high-level player, and any team looking to the future would love to have him for his upside alone. But he is also a very high risk asset, with more bust potential than just about anyone else you’ll find in this series.

But with six years of team control remaining, three of them at the league minimum, Buxton doesn’t have to be a star right away to justify his placement here. Even with an adjustment period, he offers substantial long-term rewards, and he’s close enough to providing real value in the big leagues that teams could justify paying through the nose to acquire him. It’s an extreme risk/reward play, but when the reward is this high, so is the price.



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 9:21:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Part of Dave Cameron's "trade value" series, ranking the top 50 players in the game based on trade value. TBH, Buxton is a lot lower on the list than I'd imagine, but Dave makes good points re: the reasons. He gets healthy again, he shoots up this list. He still currently slots a few spots ahead of last night's HR champ, which is impressive in itself. FWIW, Dozier "just missed" the cut. Which seems fair. You'd be hardpressed to find a GM that would trade Buxton for Dozier straight up, for example.

#42: Byron Buxton, OF, Minnesota
Controlled Through: 2021
Guaranteed Dollars: None
2016 ZIPS WAR: +2.7
Five year ZIPS WAR: +17.6
Last Year: #38
If Buxton could stay healthy, he’d likely be ranked significantly higher than this, as both scouts and ZIPS see a star in the making. But as the injuries continue to pile up, it’s becoming fair to question how the lost development time will affect him, and whether he’ll ever play enough to live up to the substantial hype. The tools are there for Buxton to be a high-level player, and any team looking to the future would love to have him for his upside alone. But he is also a very high risk asset, with more bust potential than just about anyone else you’ll find in this series.

But with six years of team control remaining, three of them at the league minimum, Buxton doesn’t have to be a star right away to justify his placement here. Even with an adjustment period, he offers substantial long-term rewards, and he’s close enough to providing real value in the big leagues that teams could justify paying through the nose to acquire him. It’s an extreme risk/reward play, but when the reward is this high, so is the price.


I believe that this is the point that Ralph was making.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 9:27:21 AM)

Yes, but for the wrong reasons. He's not a risk because of a lack of hitting ability shown, as was suggested. He has shown that throughout the minors. He's a risk for injury; that's about it.

Also, of course he's a higher risk than anyone in this series. Because he's also the youngest player on it (I'm guessing) with the least major league experience (again, I'm guessing). I'd bet about the only one that is in his range in the series is probably Correa.



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 12:43:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Yes, but for the wrong reasons. He's not a risk because of a lack of hitting ability shown, as was suggested. He has shown that throughout the minors. He's a risk for injury; that's about it.

Also, of course he's a higher risk than anyone in this series. Because he's also the youngest player on it (I'm guessing) with the least major league experience (again, I'm guessing). I'd bet about the only one that is in his range in the series is probably Correa.


From reading Ralph's and your argument about this I don't believe for a minute that Buxton's lack of hitting is the only reason for Ralph's argument as you're implying.



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 12:44:01 PM)

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Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 2:09:52 PM)

GCL Twins won today with 4 and 6 run innings, 11-1

Hayman 1-4/bB/Grand Slam(2)/2R, Palacios 3-4/double/BB/R/RBI, Cabbage 2-3/double/BB/2R/RBI, Marrero 2-2/triple/2BB/RBI

Wells 1-0 5IP 2H/2B/5K
Pryor 2IP K
Poulson IP R/BB/K
Pearce IP H/BB

Palacios 3 hits raised his average to .409 through 17 games/66 at bats

18 year old, has played IF/OF

Listed at 6'/145, from the Twins VZ academy.



kgdabom -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 4:56:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

GCL Twins won today with 4 and 6 run innings, 11-1

Hayman 1-4/bB/Grand Slam(2)/2R, Palacios 3-4/double/BB/R/RBI, Cabbage 2-3/double/BB/2R/RBI, Marrero 2-2/triple/2BB/RBI

Wells 1-0 5IP 2H/2B/5K
Pryor 2IP K
Poulson IP R/BB/K
Pearce IP H/BB

Palacios 3 hits raised his average to .409 through 17 games/66 at bats

18 year old, has played IF/OF

Listed at 6'/145, from the Twins VZ academy.

Palacios what position does he play? If shortstop bring him up. [:D]



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 10:38:11 PM)

Life in the minors

Todd Van Steensel ‏@toddvs35

After the FSL All-Star game we played 22 straight games. Today was an off day. Tomorrow we start a 19 game stretch #TheGrind



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 10:42:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Life in the minors

Todd Van Steensel ‏@toddvs35

After the FSL All-Star game we played 22 straight games. Today was an off day. Tomorrow we start a 19 game stretch #TheGrind



I'll switch lives with him anytime if it's too much for him.



SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/14/2015 10:46:17 PM)

Ain't that the truth
Wait til real life grabs ya, kid ....



TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 7:51:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Life in the minors

Todd Van Steensel ‏@toddvs35

After the FSL All-Star game we played 22 straight games. Today was an off day. Tomorrow we start a 19 game stretch #TheGrind


I'll say it again; I love having high A and AA in the FSL and the SL. You separate the men from the boys in your organization in a big hurry that way.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 8:36:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Life in the minors

Todd Van Steensel ‏@toddvs35

After the FSL All-Star game we played 22 straight games. Today was an off day. Tomorrow we start a 19 game stretch #TheGrind


That's crazy. The ringer they put these guys through is just nuts.



McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 12:48:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Life in the minors

Todd Van Steensel ‏@toddvs35

After the FSL All-Star game we played 22 straight games. Today was an off day. Tomorrow we start a 19 game stretch #TheGrind


That's crazy. The ringer they put these guys through is just nuts.





At one stretch in College, I went four months working full time and going to school full time and did not have a day off at all.
And I wasn't playing baseball.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:13:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Life in the minors

Todd Van Steensel ‏@toddvs35

After the FSL All-Star game we played 22 straight games. Today was an off day. Tomorrow we start a 19 game stretch #TheGrind


That's crazy. The ringer they put these guys through is just nuts.





At one stretch in College, I went four months working full time and going to school full time and did not have a day off at all.
And I wasn't playing baseball.


I did a 115 page thesis, student taught and worked 30-hour work weeks during the spring of 1995. I figure I worked 70 to 80 hours a week for about five or six months. My story isn't unique



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:23:21 PM)

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.



Steve Lentz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:24:06 PM)

I played softball 3 nights a week and in tournaments on the weekends. One tournament lasted until 2:00 in the morning.
My wife was a saint.[:D]



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:39:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.


All in all, they're all 25 and younger - and playing a freakin' game.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:44:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.


All in all, they're all 25 and younger - and playing a freakin' game.


Sure. But it's still a lot tougher schedule and conditions than most people realize. And I think that was Ed's point. Only the best of the best make the majors. So many more toil away in the minors for minimum wage or low wages and a crazy schedule/life. #thegrind is very accurate IMO.



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:47:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.


All in all, they're all 25 and younger - and playing a freakin' game.


Sure. But it's still a lot tougher schedule and conditions than most people realize. And I think that was Ed's point.



Couldn't care less - then get a real job and work for low pay and longer hours. [sm=cry2.gif]



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:47:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.


All in all, they're all 25 and younger - and playing a freakin' game.


Sure. But it's still a lot tougher schedule and conditions than most people realize. And I think that was Ed's point.



Could care less - then get a real job and work for low pay and longer hours. [sm=cry2.gif]


Very few jobs have longer hours than these guys' overall schedule and/or less pay as well. That's the point. It's why the lawsuit is progressing.



sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:49:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.


All in all, they're all 25 and younger - and playing a freakin' game.


Sure. But it's still a lot tougher schedule and conditions than most people realize. And I think that was Ed's point.



Could care less - then get a real job and work for low pay and longer hours. [sm=cry2.gif]


Very few jobs have longer hours than these guys' overall schedule.


Especially when you count the 5 or 6 months a year when they don't play. [&o]



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 1:53:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've had similar work experience; still do. Doesn't mean what these guys are doing isn't nuts too. You also have to figure all the travel and physical/mental grind. These guys in the minors put in a lot more work than most people care to admit. For, in most cases, very little pay.


All in all, they're all 25 and younger - and playing a freakin' game.


Sure. But it's still a lot tougher schedule and conditions than most people realize. And I think that was Ed's point.



Could care less - then get a real job and work for low pay and longer hours. [sm=cry2.gif]


Very few jobs have longer hours than these guys' overall schedule.


Especially when you count the 5 or 6 months a year when they don't play. [&o]


That makes life harder on them, not easier. They have to essentially find odd jobs for 4 months (don't forget ST, etc.) to make ends meet in most cases.



SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 2:03:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

I played softball 3 nights a week and in tournaments on the weekends. One tournament lasted until 2:00 in the morning.
My wife was a saint.[:D]

Whoa. No wonder we get along.
I played more than that.
WHILE we raised kids.
I musta found your saints sister.



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/15/2015 2:22:49 PM)

#MNTwins have released RHP Scott Atchison and 1B Mike Gonzales off @ChattLookouts roster, per Southern League transactions page.

Atchison, 39, posted a 1.80 ERA in four outings (5 IP) for Lookouts. Allowed 4 hits, no walks and struck out two.

Mike Gonzales, 27, was a 9th-round #MNTwins pick in 2008. Slashed .267/.346/.436 for his career. Hit .223 in 61 gms for Lookouts this year.



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