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Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 2:57:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Sure a lousy track record from the end of the Jim Rantz era.

This new era isn't doing much pitching-wise, either.


The Twins are absolutely horrendous at drafting and developing pitching. Name the starting pitchers drafted and developed by the Twins since Matt Garza.

I come up with NOTHING![X(]



Gibson




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 3:00:41 PM)

Yup. Fair enough Ed




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 3:31:07 PM)

Gibson
Blackburn

Are the only 2 I can think of for any "significant" amount of time.

Not like they've developed multiple all-star starters.




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:01:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Pear shaped
No commitment to weight training



That would be this guy:
http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/finishing-strong-joe-continues-to-walk-us-through-his-upper-about-spotlight-joe-mauer-all-access-on-foxsportsnorthcom

I think he embarrassed himself in the video.


Obsession.

Where's Todd when you need him?




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:02:08 PM)

Berrios will join that group very soon.




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:18:14 PM)

BA Midseason Prospect Update: Twins


The Twins and Royals opened July with a four-game series, which they split in Kansas City. Minnesota second baseman Brian Dozier said the Twins “weren’t satisfied” with the split, which left them in second place behind the defending American League champs from Kansas City.

The Twins will be searching for pennant-race help for the first time since 2010, their last division championship. First-year manager Paul Molitor has spurred a more aggressive offense aided by Dozier’s continued development, the return of veteran Torii Hunter to provide pop and a clubhouse leader, and an injection of athleticism and talent from the farm system.

A year ago at this time, fans in Minnesota missed out on Miguel Sano, a Top 10 fixture since he signed in 2009, and 2012 first-round pick Byron Buxton performing in Target Field, as both players were injured for the 2014 Futures Game. Now both call Target Field home, with Buxton installed in center field in June while Sano was called up as July dawned. (Sano remains eligible for this list.)

Developing homegrown hitters has been Minnesota’s strength since current GM Terry Ryan joined the organization as scouting director in 1987. Since then, the Twins have developed all-star hitters from Hunter and A.J. Pierzynski to Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau and Dozier, to future all-stars such as Buxton and Sano.

More are on the way, as the Twins remain excited about the development of German-born Max Kepler and 2014 first-rounder Nick Gordon. But the Twins need more homegrown pitching to join Kyle Gibson and former trade pickup Trevor May, who have graduated from the minors to the rotation in recent years. Alex Meyer was unable to do so this season and shifted to the bullpen, and the Twins hope Jose Berrios, 2013 first-rounder Kohl Stewart and 2013 fourth-rounder Stephen Gonsalves can avoid the same fate.

Meyer is at the forefront of a raft of Twins power arms headed to the bullpen that includes J.T. Chargois and Nick Burdi. If any team could replicate the Royals’ flamethrowing bullpen, it could be Minnesota, particularly if 2015 first-rounder Tyler Jay—ineligible for this re-ranking—moves as quickly as anticipated. All three relievers could be September factors if the Twins are still in the playoff hunt.



MIDSEASON TOP 10

1. Miguel Sano, 3b/dh

Twins scouting director Deron Johnson says if Sano grew up in the U.S., he’d have been a defensive lineman, likely with the athleticism to be a pass rusher. Listed at 6-foot-4, 260 pounds, Sano may be heavier than that, and while his arm strength has returned since missing last season with Tommy John surgery, he likely has outgrown third base long-term. He uses his size for good at the plate, though; he shook off early rust from missed season to rank second in the Southern League in homers when promoted. His righthanded power should play enough for him to give Minnesota value, even as a DH.

2. Jose Berrios, rhp

Berrios earned a promotion to Triple-A after averaging 9.13 strikeouts per 9 IP at Double-A. He’s got 95-96 mph when he wants it, sinks his fastball at lower velocity, and mixes in his slider and changeup well. His long arm action leads to inconsistencies but he throws enough strikes to be a starter.

3. Jorge Polanco, ss/2b

Polanco continues to grow physically and may fit better at second base at 5-foot-11, 200 pounds. He’s an athletic middle infielder with solid hitting ability from both sides of the plate. He controls the strike zone fairly well and makes consistent contact. His range appears better suited for second base unless he improves his reads and quickness.

4. Max Kepler, of/1b

One of baseball’s breakout prospects, Kepler has added experience and strength to go with his smooth, pretty swing. Now he does damage rather than just making contact. He’s an above-average outfielder who has had some arm soreness limit him to first base at times.

5. Nick Gordon, ss

Gordon initially struggled with his Midwest League assignment, but he’s adjusted well as the season has progressed. He has above-average tools with his speed, defense and contact ability, paired with the savvy of the son of a big leaguer. He needs time and strength gains to develop into an impact player.

6. Kohl Stewart, rhp

Drafted as a power pitcher, Stewart still is throwing hard, but he’s become a groundball pitcher as a pro, rather than getting lots of swings and misses. In his second full season, he’d allowed only one homer and had a healthy groundball rate (more than 2-to-1).

7. Stephen Gonsalves, lhp

Gonsalves has a frontline starter’s ceiling thanks to an excellent 90-93 mph fastball, aided by good deception, that has angle and finish. His changeup remains ahead of his hard, hybrid breaking ball. If he spins it better, watch out.

8. Adam Brett Walker, of

Walker rivals Joey Gallo for the title of Most Raw Power in the Minor Leagues. He may lack a real feel for hitting, but Walker was leading the minors in home runs and resembles Houston’s Chris Carter as a potential future .220-.230 hitter with 25-30 home run production.

9. J.T. Chargois, rhp

The Twins have been waiting for Chargois, who is pitching his first full season as a pro since he was a 2012 second-round pick. He had Tommy John surgery in September 2013 and came back hitting and exceeding 100 mph last fall and has had similar velocity this spring, reaching Double-A. His slider and changeup flash plus as well.

10. Nick Burdi, rhp

Burdi challenges Chargois as the hardest thrower in the organization as well as the entire minor leagues. His slider reaches the low 90s at times as well. Burdi hasn’t learned to read which hitters’ swings yet or adjust when they are catching up to his heat, but his two plus pitches should get him to Minnesota’s bullpen soon.


Rising

Taylor Rogers, lhp: If Rogers’ changeup were a bit better, he’d be close to being a member of the big league rotation thanks to a strong Triple-A start. His improved breaking ball has helped him annihilate lefthanded hitters (.178/.197/.186 in 118 ABs). Another lefthander, Mat Batts, continues to deal—he has a 1.97 ERA and 145-24 strikeout-walk totals through 142 pro innings and has reached high Class A.


Falling

Jake Reed, rhp. It doesn’t take long for relievers to turn it around, but Reed had struggled with locating his low-90s sinker at Double-A, putting him behind other harder-throwing future relief options in the system.


Hurting

LHP Lewis Thorpe (11) had missed the entire season recovering from Tommy John surgery.


Graduating

Byron Buxton (1) has taken over as the Twins’ everyday center fielder. Righty Alex Meyer (5) faltered as a starter in a return to Triple-A but has reached the majors in a relief role. Fellow righty Trevor May (9) has maintained a hold on a rotation spot, while Eddie Rosario (10) emerged as the everyday left fielder. J.R. Graham (20) has been a successful Rule 5 pickup in the bullpen.


Coming Aboard

The Twins’ first five picks in the 2015 draft

1. Tyler Jay, lhp, Illinois. Already signed, Jay has hit 99 mph with his fastball as a pro and has a dirty slider. He’s the favorite to be the first 2015 draftee to reach the majors.

2s. Kyle Cody, rhp, Kentucky. Had an erratic but mostly poor junior season, dropping him from first-round consideration; still has significant arm strength

3. Travis Blankenhorn, 3b, Pottsville (Pa.) HS. Athletic infielder has lefthanded pop. He’s already played some left field and first base as a pro.

4. Trey Cabbage, 3b, Grainger HS, Rutledge, Tenn. Like Blankenhorn, he’s a lefthanded-hitting corner infielder who fits best at third. He’s also played some left as a pro.

5. Alex Robinson, lhp, Maryland. Signed for $382,700, the college reliever could move quickly if he can harness the command of his power mid-90s heater.



2018 PROJECTED LINEUP
C Stuart Turner
1B Joe Mauer
2B Brian Dozier
3B Trevor Plouffe
SS Jorge Polanco
LF Eddie Rosario
CF Byron Buxton
RF Oswaldo Arcia
DH Miguel Sano
No. 1 Starter Phil Hughes
No. 2 Starter Jose Berrios
No. 3 Starter Kohl Stewart
No. 4 Starter Kyle Gibson
No. 5 Starter Trevor May
Closer Glen Perkins




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:18:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Pear shaped
No commitment to weight training



That would be this guy:
http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/finishing-strong-joe-continues-to-walk-us-through-his-upper-about-spotlight-joe-mauer-all-access-on-foxsportsnorthcom

I think he embarrassed himself in the video.


Obsession.

Where's Todd when you need him?


Did you actually see the video?




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:47:03 PM)

Good stuff, Stacey. That's about where I'd have the top 8 at this point. Other than I'd still have Thorpe in there at 6 or 7, TJ and all. I also would have others ahead of Chargois and Burdi.

I've never heard the Kepler arm soreness issue before. Weird.




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:50:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Did you actually see the video?


I did. The first of 50 times that it was posted.




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:55:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Pear shaped
No commitment to weight training



That would be this guy:
http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/finishing-strong-joe-continues-to-walk-us-through-his-upper-about-spotlight-joe-mauer-all-access-on-foxsportsnorthcom

I think he embarrassed himself in the video.


Obsession.

Where's Todd when you need him?


Did you actually see the video?



I noticed all the weights were either brand new(unused)
or dusty(It's been a while)




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:56:52 PM)

I'd venture a guess that Mauer is one of the stronger guys on the team.




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:57:38 PM)

Even the TV's were old school, box set ups.
Now granted the video is a couple of years old, but $23 mil ought to buy you a flat screen or two(if you spend anytime there)




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 4:58:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'd venture a guess that Mauer is one of the stronger guys on the team.



Outlandish statement




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 5:02:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'd venture a guess that Mauer is one of the stronger guys on the team.



Outlandish statement


No, just one you disagree with. And neither of us have any knowledge of how strong/what these guys are doing for workouts.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 5:33:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'd venture a guess that Mauer is one of the stronger guys on the team.



Outlandish statement


Outrageous statement actually




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 5:35:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'd venture a guess that Mauer is one of the stronger guys on the team.



Outlandish statement


No, just one you disagree with. And neither of us have any knowledge of how strong/what these guys are doing for workouts.


Wrong. You mean to say no one can surmise ANYTHING about his strength and conditioning after watching him for years?

And by the way......if we don't have any knowledge how do you make that statement about him being the strongest on the team?
[&:]




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 5:58:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'd venture a guess that Mauer is one of the stronger guys on the team.



Outlandish statement


No, just one you disagree with. And neither of us have any knowledge of how strong/what these guys are doing for workouts.


Wrong. You mean to say no one can surmise ANYTHING about his strength and conditioning after watching him for years?

And by the way......if we don't have any knowledge how do you make that statement about him being the strongest on the team?
[&:]


1) I didn't say he's "the" strongest on the team. But thanks for twisting words.
2) That's my guess. I've made no statement as if it's fact. r by using some random internet picture, versus observations in person/up close. There have been a variety of posters (from all sides of this issue) that have all commented on how big/strong/fit Joe looks in ST over the last several years. I have yet to hear someone say he looks "out of shape" in that observation window.




Steve Lentz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 6:06:25 PM)

I think I'm the strongest poster in here.
That's what's nice about this board, everyone can have an opinion. Many are very hard to prove.[;)]




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 8:34:11 PM)

Nick Gordon is 1-3 tonight for Cedar Rapids, extending his hitting streak to 15 games. He's hitting .349 in that stretch.




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/16/2015 10:40:59 PM)

Since his towering home run in the 1st inning (429 feet), Oswaldo Arcia has struck out three times.




Black 47 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/17/2015 5:33:00 AM)

The first thing I thought about with the horrific terrorist attack yesterday was the Twins AA team. What a depressing day. Does somebody want to tell me why we don't allow our MILITARY to arm themselves in public areas? We can't trust our military with a gun? They were sitting ducks. And the terrorist knew it.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/17/2015 7:09:56 AM)

Thursday night:

6-nothing shut out win for Roch

Ortiz 3-4/double(22)/Solo HR(9)/2RBI, Arcia 1-4/2R HR(9), Bernier 2-3/BB
Duffey 4-4 6IP 2H/5BB/6K
Meyer IP 2K
Tonkin IP H/BB/3K
Thompson IP 2H/K


Chatt was shutout 3-0. Both sides 4 hits

Kepler 1-3/BB, J Rodriguez 1-3, Goodrum(SB 10/2E's at 3rd(4))/Wilkerson 1-4

Lee 0-4 4Ip 2H/3R/1ER/5BB/3K
Shibuya 3IP BB/2K
Summers IP 2H


FTM lost 4-1, done in by 3-run 7th

Granite 2-3/BB/R/SB(11), Doe 1-2/2BB

Eades 6-2 6.1IP 6H/4R/7K/HR
Gilbert 1.2IP H/BB/2K 0-2 IRS

CRapids lost 5-4. Both sides with 3 errors

Navaretto 2-4/R/RBI, Kelly 1-2/R, Gordon/English 1-4/RBI

Mildren 2-1 4IP 7H/3R/2BB/K
Wilson 3IP 2H/2R/BB/3K
Mazza IP H/BB/KBooser IP 2K


Eliz had 5 errors in 3-1 road loss
Wade 2-5/RBI/Assist at 3rd/SB(2), Murray 2-4/double, Guzman 1-5/triple/R/2E's(9)

Nordgren 6IP 5H/UER/5K
Robinson 0-2 IP UER/BB/K
GUyer .2IP H/R/BB/K
Hernandez .1IP 0-2 iRS


GCL Twins were rained out.




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/17/2015 8:13:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Since his towering home run in the 1st inning (429 feet), Oswaldo Arcia has struck out three times.


This is why I don't get excited about Arcia catching fire in AAA. He's done it before, gotten us all worked up, comes back up here with the same f***ed up mechanics and strikes out about 10 times for every HR.




djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/17/2015 9:02:21 AM)

I agree, Tim. He had nothing left to prove in the minors anyway.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/17/2015 3:46:51 PM)

7 run 3rd gave the GCL Twins an 8-2 win

Palacios 2-4/triple/R/2RBI, Gonzalez 2-3/double/BB/R, Cabbage 2-4/R/RBI, Olson 1-3/2BB/2R, Martinez 1-3/BB/R/RBI/SB(3), DJ Hicks 1-3/R

Williams 3-0 5IP H/2BB/2K
Pryor IP BB/K
Schutte IP H/R/K/HR
Curtiss IP BB/K
Gomez IP 2H/R/BB/K




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