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Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/22/2015 6:43:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

well said ed



It's as if one person spends the money on the FA's and Ryan is in charge of making sure they can be cheap in other areas.




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/22/2015 3:06:03 PM)

Oswaldo Arcia: 4-for-64 since July 26 at Rochester. 0 for last 24




shakeywalton -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/22/2015 5:02:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Nice, Berrios, nice.
A glimmer of light in a dark desolate place. [:D]



He is hitting innings limits the Twins have set.

Why are those bullets being used in AAA??


MONEY

Sadly the Twins continue to use that in some cases as an excuse for not getting better.

Yes, they spend on pitchers.

But they spend,as noted here many times, foolishly.

Then wring their hands over bringing someone like Berrios on-board, to add to the 40-man,and start his clock.

They are a very confusing bunch.


Or, maybe they view the kid as still young and have already penciled him into their 2016 rotation and don't see a need to rush him. There is that possibility.

The Twins have promoted so many kids already this year that I'm surprised this is still a topic.




sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/22/2015 5:55:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Oswaldo Arcia: 4-for-64 since July 26 at Rochester. 0 for last 24


You almost have to not be trying to be that pathetic. [:@]




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/22/2015 6:30:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Oswaldo Arcia: 4-for-64 since July 26 at Rochester. 0 for last 24


You almost have to not be trying to be that pathetic. [:@]



it may be that hitting rock bottom will be good for him.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:45:45 AM)

Saturday

Roch gave up 8 runs in 6-8 innings, lost 11-5

Avery 2-3/triple/BB/2R/SB(18), Santana 2-4/double/RBI, Ortiz 2-4/R/RBI, Arcia 1-4/Solo HR(11)/E(4)

Bowden 9-4 5.2IP 8H/7R/5ER/2BB/6K
CJohnson 1.1IP 2-2 IRS 3H/R/K/HR
Shibuya IP 3H/3R/BB/K/HR


Chatt gave up 7 runs in 6-8 innings , lost 10-6

Wickens 2-5/double/2R/2RBI, Harrison 2-4/triple(4)/R, Kepler 1-4/double(32)/BB/RBI, Walker 1-5/RBI(97)

Wheeler 5.1IP 6H/5R/2BB/5K/3HR
Wimmers 7-4 1.2IP 0-3 IRS 3?2R
DJohnson IP 3H/3R/2ER/BB/K/HR


FTM was 4-hit, 5-0 loss

Kanzler 1-3/triple(7), Granite 1-4/SB(19)

Batts 7-4 5IP 7H/4R/BB/3K
Van Steensel 2IP H/R/2K
Jay IP K

CRapids won on a combined 1-hitter, 2-0

Gibbons 7-3 8IP H/12K
Theofanopoulos IP Save(1)

Doe 1-4/double/2RBI, White 2-4/R, Navaretto 1-3/double


Eliz lost 4-3

Kihle 2-4/double, Wade 1-3/BB/R/RBI, Palacios 1-4/double/R, Perez 1-3/BB/R

Hernandez 5-1 5IP 9H/4R/BB/6K
Mciver 3IP 2H/4K


GCL Twins gave up 5 in the 9th, lost 8-3

Arraez 2-3/double/BB/R/RBI/SB(7), Andrade 1-3/BB/R/SB(10), Hayman 1-3/triple/BB/R/E(1)

Morvan 4IP H/2BB/4K
Gomez IP H/UER/BB
Cordy 2IP H/BB/K/E(1)
Gonzalez 3-2 IP 5H/2R/K
Quezada .1IP 2H/4R/2Bb/K
Pearce .2IP 2-2 IRS 3H/R/K




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 10:19:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Oswaldo Arcia: 4-for-64 since July 26 at Rochester. 0 for last 24


You almost have to not be trying to be that pathetic. [:@]



it may be that hitting rock bottom will be good for him.


Not sure how that works, Stacey.

The Twins should have dealt him a while back. They have had issues with the kid for a while. I wish the Twins would wake up and understand that not every prospect is a fit for this organization. They need to be dealing position player prospects for pitching prospects, imo.




Sirteamsalot -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 10:35:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Oswaldo Arcia: 4-for-64 since July 26 at Rochester. 0 for last 24


Ouch! I thought this kid was going to be ok. Looked to have some power to his game.
He seemed ok when Bruno was working with him last season.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 12:27:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Or, maybe they view the kid as still young and have already penciled him into their 2016 rotation and don't see a need to rush him. There is that possibility.




There also exists the fact that the Twins have been horribly inept at raising their own starting pitchers. I suggest you take a moment to think of starting pitchers the Twins have raised since Garza came up.




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 1:15:44 PM)

Berrios has been a 'machine' on the mound for Red Wings


When he started playing baseball, Jose Berrios wanted to be a catcher.

"It was my favorite position," he said, "and Ivan Rodriguez was my favorite player."

He didn't catch, however. Instead, he played both middle infield positions, shortstop and second base.

Yeah, that arm, the one that can throw a ball 94 mph, at second base. You could say he just might have been miscast.

But with a guy named Carlos Correa also on the team, shortstop was locked up. Correa was the first overall pick in the 2012 draft and now plays for the Houston Astros. That's why Berrios played second.

His agents, Ramon Martinez and Melvin Roman, also thought Berrios was miscast, though. They didn't want him at second base, shortstop or even catcher. They wanted him to pitch.

"They said, 'You can play professional baseball as a position player but you have a better future on the mound,' " Berrios recalled.

So at their suggestion, he made the switch in January 2012. Six months later the Minnesota Twins made him the highest drafted pitcher ever from Puerto Rico. He was selected with the 32nd pick.

"I'd say it worked out well for him," said Brad Steil, director of minor league operations for the Twins.

Indeed, three years later, Berrios is knocking on the door of the Twins' rotation. It's rather remarkable that, at 21, he's already in Triple-A with the Rochester Red Wings, considering his lack of pitching experience.

But now you know why Josue Rivera, his personal trainer at home in Bayamon, Puerto Rico, nicknamed "La Maquina." The Machine.

The 6-foot, 185-pound right-hander is driven to be the best he can, and he's willing to work. And work. And work.

"The machine is only off when you disconnect it," Berrios said. "When he called me La Maquina, I said, 'Alright, I can be that.' "

He has adopted the nickname as his Twitter handle; @JOlaMaquina. And when Coca-Cola came out with the bottles that featured first names, Coke Puerto Rico marketed one in honor of Berrios: La Maquina. With his permission, of course.

He said he has three of the bottles as souvenirs.

Considering his outgoing personality, and his potential to be an impact player, there certainly could be more endorsements in his future. But first things first. He's still in Triple-A, having made 9 starts since his July 1 promotion from Double-A Chattanooga.

Berrios has a 3-2 record and 3.12 earned run average. His WHIP (walks plus hits per inning) is 1.06, with 61 strikeouts in 57.2 innings. With Chattanooga, he went 8-3 with a 3.08 ERA, striking out 92 batters in 90.2 innings.

"I'm happy with what I do, and what I have to do the rest of the season," Berrios said. "I'm happy the organization has given me an opportunity to pitch all year.

"I will still try to make my dream come true — to play in the majors."

From the Twins standpoint, he is right on schedule. They had envisioned him making the jump from Double-A to Triple around the midpoint of the season, Steil said.

As far as pitching for the Twins, "That will come in time," Steil said, "if he continues this progression."

He throws four pitches: a fastball, a two-seam fastball, a change-up and a curve. The two-seam fastball "looks straight and then it moves a little to the right side," Berrios said. The velocity is similar to his normal fastball, 93-94 mph.

He's working to perfect his changeup. "That pitch is really hard to throw," Berrios said, "but when you learn, you're killing the hitter."

That's all part of the learning process.

"That's why being at this level is a good thing," Steil said. "He can face some experienced hitters who will make him pay for mistakes, and he'll learn from that."

When Berrios had first made the transition to pitcher, he was a bit bored.

"It was different for me," he said. "When you play a position, you play all the innings. When you're a pitcher, you have to sit here and wait for your turn to pitch."

He's loving it now, though. "I just thank God for giving me the opportunity to play the beautiful game of baseball."




shakeywalton -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:29:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Or, maybe they view the kid as still young and have already penciled him into their 2016 rotation and don't see a need to rush him. There is that possibility.




There also exists the fact that the Twins have been horribly inept at raising their own starting pitchers. I suggest you take a moment to think of starting pitchers the Twins have raised since Garza came up.


That wasn't the point though. Barrios is already near his pitch limit for the year. What's the point in bringing him up now?

I think there is little doubt he's already penciled into the rotation next season.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:34:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Or, maybe they view the kid as still young and have already penciled him into their 2016 rotation and don't see a need to rush him. There is that possibility.




There also exists the fact that the Twins have been horribly inept at raising their own starting pitchers. I suggest you take a moment to think of starting pitchers the Twins have raised since Garza came up.


That wasn't the point though. Barrios is already near his pitch limit for the year. What's the point in bringing him up now?

I think there is little doubt he's already penciled into the rotation next season.


That would be the Twins thinking you are trying to explain. As I told you before, they have been inept at developing pitchers for years. THis falls into line with what they do. You can support it if you want, but I don't see where calling up Berrios and giving him work in the pen as a September is a bad thing.




shakeywalton -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:37:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Or, maybe they view the kid as still young and have already penciled him into their 2016 rotation and don't see a need to rush him. There is that possibility.




There also exists the fact that the Twins have been horribly inept at raising their own starting pitchers. I suggest you take a moment to think of starting pitchers the Twins have raised since Garza came up.


That wasn't the point though. Barrios is already near his pitch limit for the year. What's the point in bringing him up now?

I think there is little doubt he's already penciled into the rotation next season.


That would be the Twins thinking you are trying to explain. As I told you before, they have been inept at developing pitchers for years. THis falls into line with what they do. You can support it if you want, but I don't see where calling up Berrios and giving him work in the pen as a September is a bad thing.


Because he's a starter. I wouldn't want them messing with that by putting him into the bullpen to begin his major league career.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:39:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Or, maybe they view the kid as still young and have already penciled him into their 2016 rotation and don't see a need to rush him. There is that possibility.




There also exists the fact that the Twins have been horribly inept at raising their own starting pitchers. I suggest you take a moment to think of starting pitchers the Twins have raised since Garza came up.


That wasn't the point though. Barrios is already near his pitch limit for the year. What's the point in bringing him up now?

I think there is little doubt he's already penciled into the rotation next season.


That would be the Twins thinking you are trying to explain. As I told you before, they have been inept at developing pitchers for years. THis falls into line with what they do. You can support it if you want, but I don't see where calling up Berrios and giving him work in the pen as a September is a bad thing.


Yes

Get him acclimated to the bigs.

Heck, there is 1 other guy the should bring up at ROch's end/season

Achter

Else,

Tonkin? Nope. C-U-T at the end of the year.

Darnell? Feh. C-U-T

Meyer? I spose, More acclimation

Thompson? Nah. Only if you're helping him merit-badge wise.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:42:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Because he's a starter. I wouldn't want them messing with that by putting him into the bullpen to begin his major league career.


Liriano and Santana both started in the pen. St. Louis, Atlanta and a number of other teams routinely call up starters and start them in the pen.

His season is over. So why not let him make several appearances in the bigs NOW?




shakeywalton -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:45:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Because he's a starter. I wouldn't want them messing with that by putting him into the bullpen to begin his major league career.


Liriano and Santana both started in the pen. St. Louis, Atlanta and a number of other teams routinely call up starters and start them in the pen.

His season is over. So why not let him make several appearances in the bigs NOW?


Maybe because, as you've stated the Twins haven't had much success developing starting pitcher, that they want to be careful with this one.

I'm personally not overly concerned with where they finish this season. Playoffs would be fun but if they don't make it, I won't lose a second of sleep. I believe next season will be the year we start with the higher expectations.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:47:29 PM)

Six or seven appearances is going to kill the kid I guess




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 5:49:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Because he's a starter. I wouldn't want them messing with that by putting him into the bullpen to begin his major league career.


Liriano and Santana both started in the pen. St. Louis, Atlanta and a number of other teams routinely call up starters and start them in the pen.

His season is over. So why not let him make several appearances in the bigs NOW?


Maybe because, as you've stated the Twins haven't had much success developing starting pitcher, that they want to be careful with this one.

I'm personally not overly concerned with where they finish this season. Playoffs would be fun but if they don't make it, I won't lose a second of sleep. I believe next season will be the year we start with the higher expectations.


You simply do not understand what I am saying.

The Twins version of "being careful" is part of what many think has hampered the development of young pitchers.

I'm also unconcerned about where they finish this year. I don't think they have a prayer.




shakeywalton -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 7:16:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

Because he's a starter. I wouldn't want them messing with that by putting him into the bullpen to begin his major league career.


Liriano and Santana both started in the pen. St. Louis, Atlanta and a number of other teams routinely call up starters and start them in the pen.

His season is over. So why not let him make several appearances in the bigs NOW?


Maybe because, as you've stated the Twins haven't had much success developing starting pitcher, that they want to be careful with this one.

I'm personally not overly concerned with where they finish this season. Playoffs would be fun but if they don't make it, I won't lose a second of sleep. I believe next season will be the year we start with the higher expectations.


You simply do not understand what I am saying.

The Twins version of "being careful" is part of what many think has hampered the development of young pitchers.

I'm also unconcerned about where they finish this year. I don't think they have a prayer.


I'd rather have them be careful with the elite prospects than not. Especially when they're still only 21 years old.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 8:00:12 PM)

Sunday games

Roch lost 4-2

Vargas 2-4/2R HR(4), Paulino 1-3/double
Only 5 hits


Rogers 9-11 6.2IP 8H/4R/BB/9K/E(1)
Achter 1.1IP 0-1 IRS H


Chatt rained out


FTM lost 4-1, 6 hits

Wade 2-4, Vavra 1-3/BB/E(9)

Gonsalves 4IP 6H/4R/3ER/3BB/K
Reed 2IP H/K
Jonez 1.2IP 2K
Hildenbergber 1.1IP 2K


CRapids was out-slugged 11-7

White 3-5/double/R/3RBI, Gordon 1-4/double(20)/Bb/3R/SB(24), Real 2-4/triple/R/RBI, Diemer 1-4/double/RBI

LeBlanc 8-5 4IP 6H/7R/2Bb/3K/2HR
Wilson IP 3H/4R/2BB/2K
Landa 2IP 2H/BB/2K
Curtiss IP H


Eliz won 8-6

14 hits

Palacios 3-5/double(10)/2RBI/E(12), Blankenhorn 2-5/2RBI, Wade 2-5/R/RBI(40)/Assist at 2nd, Murray 2-34/double/BB/3R, Young 1-3/2BB/R, Guzman 1-5/double/R/RBI

Nordgren 1-2 5IP 8H/5R/4ER/BB/4K/HR
Lombana 2.2IP 3H/R/K/HR
Lo 1.1IP 3K/Save (7)/0-1 IRS




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/23/2015 8:06:12 PM)

Minnesota Twins
Signed: RHP Nick Anderson (Rockford (Frontier)), RHP Omar Bencomo (Laredo (American Association))
Released: 1B Tyler Kuresa, 3B Nate Hanson
Recalled: RHP A.J. Achter, C Chris Herrmann
Removed from 40-man: C Eric Fryer (outrighted to Triple-A)
Optioned to Triple-A: OF Byron Buxton
Option transferred: LHP Jason Wheeler (Triple-A to Double-A), 1B Kennys Vargas (Double-A to Triple-A)
Placed on 7-day DL: C Alex Swim, SS Danny Santana
Reinstated from DL: RHP Brandon Peterson, RHP Cody Stashak, 2B Levi Michael, OF Roberto Gonzalez




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/24/2015 11:13:40 AM)

In 72 games since May 22, Nick Gordon (@FlashGThe3rd) has hit .297/.364/.392 (.755). Last 28 games, he's hit .300/.352/.436 (.789).




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/24/2015 11:14:42 AM)

WHEEEEEEE!

The merit badge callup should go to......

In his last 40 games, @JamesBeresford2 has hit .344/.378/.401 (.779) with six doubles and a homer. #DeservesACallup


And no callup to

In his last 20 games in Rochester, Oswaldo Arcia is 5-68, hitting .074/.179/.162 (.341) with 2 homers.




SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/24/2015 11:45:04 AM)

Damn, ARCIA.
Just ...... Damn.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (8/24/2015 1:39:11 PM)

Darren Wolfson ‏@DWolfsonKSTP 2h2 hours ago
RHP Nick Burdi is another good bet to rep the #MNTwins in the AZ Fall League.




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