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TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 10:47:32 AM)
How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it?

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 10:49:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it? The people in charge do a poor job of evaluation. Or More likely The Signability factor doesn't translate into actual talent.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 11:40:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it? The people in charge do a poor job of evaluation. Or More likely The Signability factor doesn't translate into actual talent. The fact that the minor league (farm system) is so void of legitimate talent is what makes following this team and organization so frustrating. An enema is correct for this organization. But even in the unlikely event this were to happen (about 1% chance), we would have to allow the new regime a minimum of three years just to draft and restock the minor league system. And then, we would have to wait another season (4th year) before any of those prospects could even be considered worthy of a try at the ML level. Realistically, we are talking five years. And that effort would have to be coordinated with a few trades at the ML level for players ready to play for the Twins, plus further development of our existing prospects who by that time would already be FA eligible and demanding big bucks. And the cycle continues. ~sigh~

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 11:57:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it? The people in charge do a poor job of evaluation. Or More likely The Signability factor doesn't translate into actual talent. The fact that the minor league (farm system) is so void of legitimate talent is what makes following this team and organization so frustrating. An enema is correct for this organization. But even in the unlikely event this were to happen (about 1% chance), we would have to allow the new regime a minimum of three years just to draft and restock the minor league system. And then, we would have to wait another season (4th year) before any of those prospects could even be considered worthy of a try at the ML level. Realistically, we are talking five years. And that effort would have to be coordinated with a few trades at the ML level for players ready to play for the Twins, plus further development of our existing prospects who by that time would already be FA eligible and demanding big bucks. And the cycle continues. ~sigh~ It won't be five years...you need 2 stud starting pitchers, decent bullpen, and good positional players.....I think we are close on the positional players. Right GM can figure out the rest. Look at the Cubs....it all came together quickly after Arrieta developed. Just think if May/Meyer had developed as thought. If Buxton, Sano, Polanco, and Berrios take off next year...along with some of the bullpen guys (Chargois, Reed, Burdi, Jones)...we would be close.

sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 12:20:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Roch's slide continued, no offense, just 4 hits, 2-0 loss Polanco 1-3/BB, Walker 1-3/double,Mastro 1-3 Wheeler 6-2 6IP 9H/2R/2BB/6K/pick-off Boshers .2IP Walden 1.1IP H/BB/K FTM scored 3 in the 7th, but fell short 4-3 Maloney 1-4/2R HR(1), Murray 1-4/double/R/RBI, Corcino 1-4/double/R Steele 4-7 6IP 6H/4R/BB/3K Landa 2IP So what you are implying Ed is that Rochester's cubboards are completing bare right now. The Twins have exhausted pretty much all immediate help offensively with the exception of Polanco who does not appear to be part of the Twins future plans. Yes, Polanco is about it. Rest of the team AB Walker: Power, but k's...a ton Britton: Lifer Tovar: Cooled off, Emergency SS not on 40man Beresford: Lifer Murphy: Now hitting .220 ish Paulino: Backup catcher. has had a couple cups of coffee Field: Lifer Meneses: Slappy Park: Mess Mastro: we already know Schafer: Brewers failure, lifer, soon to be 30 That's it for Roch right now. And in AA: Garver: C/1B/Dh, showing power, apparently still so-so behind the plate Palka: Power. Why not at AAA? maybe after their AS break Turner: Supposedly "the next catcher" in his 2nd year at AA, still only.220 Goodrum: Some spark, bad defense.Likely to be utility, but mostly OF. DJ Hicks: 2nd or 3rd year at AA. Needs new venue. Vielma: SS possibility. Injury prone Michael: Stuck at AA Ryan Walker: has shown some pop; 24, so on track, not ready Reginatto: Bounced around. 26, at AA Harrison: Still waiting for power. also needs new venue(AAA) Granite: Surprise guy. Mostly slap and speed, 30+ stolen bases. Average near .300 after slow start. occasional pop Wilkerson: lifer, can't get past AA So there you have it. Bare? Pretty darn close. Time to cut bait with Michael, and probably Harrsion and Goodrum.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 12:59:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it? The people in charge do a poor job of evaluation. Or More likely The Signability factor doesn't translate into actual talent. The fact that the minor league (farm system) is so void of legitimate talent is what makes following this team and organization so frustrating. An enema is correct for this organization. But even in the unlikely event this were to happen (about 1% chance), we would have to allow the new regime a minimum of three years just to draft and restock the minor league system. And then, we would have to wait another season (4th year) before any of those prospects could even be considered worthy of a try at the ML level. Realistically, we are talking five years. And that effort would have to be coordinated with a few trades at the ML level for players ready to play for the Twins, plus further development of our existing prospects who by that time would already be FA eligible and demanding big bucks. And the cycle continues. ~sigh~ It won't be five years...you need 2 stud starting pitchers, decent bullpen, and good positional players.....I think we are close on the positional players. Right GM can figure out the rest. Look at the Cubs....it all came together quickly after Arrieta developed. Just think if May/Meyer had developed as thought. If Buxton, Sano, Polanco, and Berrios take off next year...along with some of the bullpen guys (Chargois, Reed, Burdi, Jones)...we would be close. Where exactly do you find two stud starting pitchers? There are probably not more than two dozen in all of ML baseball that one might consider top tier level. The Twins haven't had one since Johan. Even finding one for this crappy franchise seems virtually impossible. Berrios would have to suddenly blossom into everything that anyone ever thought he could be and then some as a start. Free agency is not an option for the Twins to find a top tier pitcher. Their losing record would prohibit any player seeking WS titles to take a long shot and come here. The Twins have to earn some respect within the league. That takes time.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 1:08:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it? The people in charge do a poor job of evaluation. Or More likely The Signability factor doesn't translate into actual talent. The fact that the minor league (farm system) is so void of legitimate talent is what makes following this team and organization so frustrating. An enema is correct for this organization. But even in the unlikely event this were to happen (about 1% chance), we would have to allow the new regime a minimum of three years just to draft and restock the minor league system. And then, we would have to wait another season (4th year) before any of those prospects could even be considered worthy of a try at the ML level. Realistically, we are talking five years. And that effort would have to be coordinated with a few trades at the ML level for players ready to play for the Twins, plus further development of our existing prospects who by that time would already be FA eligible and demanding big bucks. And the cycle continues. ~sigh~ It won't be five years...you need 2 stud starting pitchers, decent bullpen, and good positional players.....I think we are close on the positional players. Right GM can figure out the rest. Look at the Cubs....it all came together quickly after Arrieta developed. Just think if May/Meyer had developed as thought. If Buxton, Sano, Polanco, and Berrios take off next year...along with some of the bullpen guys (Chargois, Reed, Burdi, Jones)...we would be close. Where exactly do you find two stud starting pitchers? There are probably not more than two dozen in all of ML baseball that one might consider top tier level. The Twins haven't had one since Johan. Even finding one for this crappy franchise seems virtually impossible. Berrios would have to suddenly blossom into everything that anyone ever thought he could be and then some as a start. Free agency is not an option for the Twins to find a top tier pitcher. Their losing record would prohibit any player seeking WS titles to take a long shot and come here. The Twins have to earn some respect within the league. That takes time. You don't need 2 top 10 or top 12 pitchers. How good was KC Starting Pitching last year? I don't think they had a top 12 starter. They had the #1 bullpen and #1 defense though. Need a GM and FO smart enough to figure out how to get there. You figure we spent Sherzer money on Hughes, Santana, and Nolasco. I would go after someone on a down year or injured....or spend money and a Intl FA pitcher.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 1:32:08 PM)
Moving day Tyler Jay, Felix Jorge, OF Edgar Corcino promoted to Chattanooga Sam Clay, Daniel Kihle, RHP Miles Nordgren promoted to Ft. Myers. RHP Max Cordy, LHP Andrew Vasquez, OF Christian Cavaness, OF Casey Scoggins heading to CR Hearing: The Twins released RHP David Martinez from the Rochester roster. MrEd: Jaylin Davis was moved to CRapids a couple of days ago after 7 HRs in 11 games at Eliz

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 1:37:53 PM)
GCL Twins lose Thursday, 7-1 4 hits, allow 16, 3 errors. Baddoo 1-4, Rortvedt 1-4/double Hellquist 0-1 4IP 7H/5R/3ER/BB/3K/HR/2Errors(2) Gomez 3IP 5H/5K Strecker IP 4H/2R

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 1:43:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Moving day Tyler Jay, Felix Jorge, OF Edgar Corcino promoted to Chattanooga Sam Clay, Daniel Kihle, RHP Miles Nordgren promoted to Ft. Myers. RHP Max Cordy, LHP Andrew Vasquez, OF Christian Cavaness, OF Casey Scoggins heading to CR Hearing: The Twins released RHP David Martinez from the Rochester roster. MrEd: Jaylin Davis was moved to CRapids a couple of days ago after 7 HRs in 11 games at Eliz YESSS for Jay and Jorge.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 1:50:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Moving day Tyler Jay, Felix Jorge, OF Edgar Corcino promoted to Chattanooga Sam Clay, Daniel Kihle, RHP Miles Nordgren promoted to Ft. Myers. RHP Max Cordy, LHP Andrew Vasquez, OF Christian Cavaness, OF Casey Scoggins heading to CR Hearing: The Twins released RHP David Martinez from the Rochester roster. MrEd: Jaylin Davis was moved to CRapids a couple of days ago after 7 HRs in 11 games at Eliz YESSS for Jay and Jorge. Dang. forgot the other one we needed to see happen. Palka was promoted to AAA.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 1:56:14 PM)
Palka has to improve his K rate too. 100 in 300 at bats Still hit .270 and walked 38 times in 79 games. but that's a lot of strikeouts Walker is scary Hitting .224, 13 doubles/16 hrs in 76 games but 268 at bats 30 walks/124 strikeouts [:-] Struck out 195 times at AA last year in 502 at bats

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 2:01:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Moving day Tyler Jay, Felix Jorge, OF Edgar Corcino promoted to Chattanooga Sam Clay, Daniel Kihle, RHP Miles Nordgren promoted to Ft. Myers. RHP Max Cordy, LHP Andrew Vasquez, OF Christian Cavaness, OF Casey Scoggins heading to CR Hearing: The Twins released RHP David Martinez from the Rochester roster. MrEd: Jaylin Davis was moved to CRapids a couple of days ago after 7 HRs in 11 games at Eliz YESSS for Jay and Jorge. Dang. forgot the other one we needed to see happen. Palka was promoted to AAA. Yes again.....It is about time for Palka but who can hit a hr for Chatt now?

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 2:04:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Moving day Tyler Jay, Felix Jorge, OF Edgar Corcino promoted to Chattanooga Sam Clay, Daniel Kihle, RHP Miles Nordgren promoted to Ft. Myers. RHP Max Cordy, LHP Andrew Vasquez, OF Christian Cavaness, OF Casey Scoggins heading to CR Hearing: The Twins released RHP David Martinez from the Rochester roster. MrEd: Jaylin Davis was moved to CRapids a couple of days ago after 7 HRs in 11 games at Eliz YESSS for Jay and Jorge. Dang. forgot the other one we needed to see happen. Palka was promoted to AAA. Yes again.....It is about time for Palka but who can hit a hr for Chatt now? Corcino should provide some punch Garver has been hitting well with some power of late. And................. There you go [;)]

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 2:32:58 PM)
Jeremy Nygaard ‏@jeremynygaard Heard Corey Williams was released. Good luck to him!

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 4:09:48 PM)
On Tyler Jay Doogie: Told Jay starting on Saturday, and expected to make at least a couple starts at AA. John Manuel/Baseball America The #Twins have promoted Tyler Jay to @ChattLookouts. He'll pitch out of bullpen rest of this year to keep a lid on his workload To me, Twins prospects have been rushed too much of late. Jay could go to AFL, good call.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 9:14:59 PM)
Lehigh Valley announcers saying that Byung Ho Park is out of the lineup due to a sore hand. Said he's been fighting it since spring. Palka 2 HRs for Roch tonight.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 9:44:56 PM)
Lotsa ball in the minors Roch rallied from7-3 down to win 8-7 Palka debut in AAA, 3-4/double/2Solo HRs/3R/2K's, Walker 3-5/2doubles(15)/R/2RBI(42), Schafer 1-4/double/R/RBI, Mastro 1-4/BB/2RBI, Polanco 1-4/BB/R/SB(4) Dean 4IP 12H/7R/Bb/3K/3HR Baxendale 2-0 2I 2H/2K O'Rourke IP 2K Chargois 2IP H/3K/Save(6) Chatt swatted 3 HRs in 10-4 win 16 hits Granite 3-5/double/R/2RBi, Garver 2-3/double(17)/2BB/2R/RBI, Hicks 2-5/2R HR(6)/3RBI, Harrison 1-4/Solo HR(5)/Goodrum 1-4/Solo HR(1), Vielma 2-5/R/RBI, Michael/Reginatto 2-4/R Slegers 8-4 6IP 7H/2R/BB/K/HR Melotakis IP 3K Fernandez 2IP H/2R/2BB/3K FTM won twice finishing a suspended game, 5-0 winner Goodrum 1-2/2R HR(1), Corcino 1-2/Solo HR, Maloney 2-2/RBI, White 1-3/Solo HR(2) Rosario 4IP 3H/BB/4K Bard 1-1 2IP H/K Peterson 2IP BB/2K Van Steensel IPH/BB 8-3 win in the "normal" game 12 hits White 2-4/2R/RBI, Gordon 2-4/R/RBI, Kihle 2-3/double/R/2RBI, Maloney 1-3/BB/R/RBI, Harton 1-2/R, Murray 1-4/R/RBI Rosario 5-5 6.1IP 7H/3R/3BB/2K Curtiss .2IP 1-2 IRS K CRapids 1-hitter, 1-0 win Davis 2-3/double/R, Silva 1-3/RBI Stashak 5-5 8IP H/3BB/8K Hackimer IP K/Save(1) Eliz playing 2 7-4 loss in game 1 Diaz 1-3/2R/HR(2), Kirilloff 2-3/double/R/RBI Carlini 1-2 4IP 10H/7R/BB/2K/HR Lujan 2IP H/BB/3K

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/7/2016 11:11:28 PM)
Eliz lost the 2nd game, too, 4-1 Kirilloff 1-3/RBI, Diaz/Carrier 1-3/double Wells 0-1 3.2IP 4H/2R/1ER/6K Jax 2.1IP 0-1 IRS 5H/2R/K/HR

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/8/2016 8:28:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Chatt swatted 3 HRs in 10-4 win 16 hits Granite 3-5/double/R/2RBi, Garver 2-3/double(17)/2BB/2R/RBI, Hicks 2-5/2R HR(6)/3RBI, Harrison 1-4/Solo HR(5)/Goodrum 1-4/Solo HR(1), Vielma 2-5/R/RBI, Michael/Reginatto 2-4/R Slegers 8-4 6IP 7H/2R/BB/K/HR Melotakis IP 3K Fernandez 2IP H/2R/2BB/3K FTM won twice finishing a suspended game, 5-0 winner Goodrum 1-2/2R HR(1), Corcino 1-2/Solo HR, Maloney 2-2/RBI, White 1-3/Solo HR(2) Rosario 4IP 3H/BB/4K Bard 1-1 2IP H/K Peterson 2IP BB/2K Van Steensel IPH/BB 8-3 win in the "normal" game 12 hits White 2-4/2R/RBI, Gordon 2-4/R/RBI, Kihle 2-3/double/R/2RBI, Maloney 1-3/BB/R/RBI, Harton 1-2/R, Murray 1-4/R/RBI Rosario 5-5 6.1IP 7H/3R/3BB/2K Curtiss .2IP 1-2 IRS K Did Niko hit one for FTM & get called up to Chatt and hit one Ed? Nice to see him back---wasn't he injured? There is our power answer at AA.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/8/2016 8:33:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Chatt swatted 3 HRs in 10-4 win 16 hits Granite 3-5/double/R/2RBi, Garver 2-3/double(17)/2BB/2R/RBI, Hicks 2-5/2R HR(6)/3RBI, Harrison 1-4/Solo HR(5)/Goodrum 1-4/Solo HR(1), Vielma 2-5/R/RBI, Michael/Reginatto 2-4/R Slegers 8-4 6IP 7H/2R/BB/K/HR Melotakis IP 3K Fernandez 2IP H/2R/2BB/3K FTM won twice finishing a suspended game, 5-0 winner Goodrum 1-2/2R HR(1), Corcino 1-2/Solo HR, Maloney 2-2/RBI, White 1-3/Solo HR(2) Rosario 4IP 3H/BB/4K Bard 1-1 2IP H/K Peterson 2IP BB/2K Van Steensel IPH/BB 8-3 win in the "normal" game 12 hits White 2-4/2R/RBI, Gordon 2-4/R/RBI, Kihle 2-3/double/R/2RBI, Maloney 1-3/BB/R/RBI, Harton 1-2/R, Murray 1-4/R/RBI Rosario 5-5 6.1IP 7H/3R/3BB/2K Curtiss .2IP 1-2 IRS K Did Niko hit one for FTM & get called up to Chatt and hit one Ed? Nice to see him back---wasn't he injured? There is our power answer at AA. FTM game was suspended in the past couple of weeks, Goodrum had homered there, before being called up to AA. Notice the starting pitcher in both of the games for FTM? Randy Rosario [:D]

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/8/2016 8:40:40 AM)
And yes, Goodrum missed most of the first half of this year.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/8/2016 9:41:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens How can a team spend so many years drafting a the top of each round and have so little to show for it? Two words TERRY RYAN

sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/8/2016 1:23:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Chatt swatted 3 HRs in 10-4 win 16 hits Granite 3-5/double/R/2RBi, Garver 2-3/double(17)/2BB/2R/RBI, Hicks 2-5/2R HR(6)/3RBI, Harrison 1-4/Solo HR(5)/Goodrum 1-4/Solo HR(1), Vielma 2-5/R/RBI, Michael/Reginatto 2-4/R Slegers 8-4 6IP 7H/2R/BB/K/HR Melotakis IP 3K Fernandez 2IP H/2R/2BB/3K FTM won twice finishing a suspended game, 5-0 winner Goodrum 1-2/2R HR(1), Corcino 1-2/Solo HR, Maloney 2-2/RBI, White 1-3/Solo HR(2) Rosario 4IP 3H/BB/4K Bard 1-1 2IP H/K Peterson 2IP BB/2K Van Steensel IPH/BB 8-3 win in the "normal" game 12 hits White 2-4/2R/RBI, Gordon 2-4/R/RBI, Kihle 2-3/double/R/2RBI, Maloney 1-3/BB/R/RBI, Harton 1-2/R, Murray 1-4/R/RBI Rosario 5-5 6.1IP 7H/3R/3BB/2K Curtiss .2IP 1-2 IRS K Did Niko hit one for FTM & get called up to Chatt and hit one Ed? Nice to see him back---wasn't he injured? There is our power answer at AA. I don't think so. He's never had more than 9 homers in a season.

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/8/2016 1:38:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sixthwi quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Chatt swatted 3 HRs in 10-4 win 16 hits Granite 3-5/double/R/2RBi, Garver 2-3/double(17)/2BB/2R/RBI, Hicks 2-5/2R HR(6)/3RBI, Harrison 1-4/Solo HR(5)/Goodrum 1-4/Solo HR(1), Vielma 2-5/R/RBI, Michael/Reginatto 2-4/R Slegers 8-4 6IP 7H/2R/BB/K/HR Melotakis IP 3K Fernandez 2IP H/2R/2BB/3K FTM won twice finishing a suspended game, 5-0 winner Goodrum 1-2/2R HR(1), Corcino 1-2/Solo HR, Maloney 2-2/RBI, White 1-3/Solo HR(2) Rosario 4IP 3H/BB/4K Bard 1-1 2IP H/K Peterson 2IP BB/2K Van Steensel IPH/BB 8-3 win in the "normal" game 12 hits White 2-4/2R/RBI, Gordon 2-4/R/RBI, Kihle 2-3/double/R/2RBI, Maloney 1-3/BB/R/RBI, Harton 1-2/R, Murray 1-4/R/RBI Rosario 5-5 6.1IP 7H/3R/3BB/2K Curtiss .2IP 1-2 IRS K Did Niko hit one for FTM & get called up to Chatt and hit one Ed? Nice to see him back---wasn't he injured? There is our power answer at AA. I don't think so. He's never had more than 9 homers in a season. And Mike Trout never had more than 12.

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