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CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (3/20/2017 11:28:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Such a good job of talent evaluation [&o]

The Twins have made Tyler Jay, their sixth overall pick in the 2015 draft, a reliever. This was alarming at first because in no way should the sixth overall pick be a reliever. On the heels of selecting Aaron Hicks (2008), Alex Wimmers (2010), Levi Michael (2011) with first round picks and not watching them flourish, the decision on Jay looks troubling for a farm system that needs to produce.

Teams that wont make it rain on free agents have to be above average in scouting and development. This is an area where the Twins can't fail.

Before I wrote this, I called Brad Steil, the Twins director of minor leagues, this morning for an explanation. Moving Jay into the bullpen was based on several factors.

The one that jumped out at me:

Jay pitched 85 innings between the University of Illinois and Class A Fort Myers in 2015. He threw 83 innings between Fort Myers and Class AA Chattanooga last season. And 15 of his 18 appearances last season were as a starter. He was 5-5, 2.84 at Fort Myers when he was promoted to Chattanooga. The Twins tried to build him up but he was slowed by a couple injuries, including a pinched nerve in his neck at Chattanooga. He was placed on the DL on Aug. 1, where he spent the rest of the season. He was 0-0, 5.79 for the Lookouts over 14 innings.

Steil said Jay, who throws a fastball, slider, change and curve, was making progress as a starter. But they can't have him go from throwing 85 innings in a season to 150. The buildup would take time. He's coming off an injury. So he's a reliever going forward.

The faster track to the majors for the 23-year old Jay is to use him as a reliever. And fast track means he could be in the majors by the end of the season. Keep in mind that Jay only started three games in two years at Illinois.

He's been a reliever for most of the last four years, and hasn't pitched more than 85 innings in a season.

"We had a lot of discussions both internally and with Tyler about the situation and the best plan for him," Steil said, "I think he is comfortable in either role. Potentially, it's about how he could impact the major league team."

Here's something else to consider. Jay is lefthanded and can reach the mid-90's with his fastball. He can sink and cut his fastball. His slider will become his main secondary pitch, with less reliance on his change up and curve.

There's another lefthander in camp who is rehabbing from shoulder surgery, and the process has been meticulously slow. His last outing, he touched 78 mph on the gun. There is no telling when he will be able to help the Twins. He's in the last year of his contract, making 2017 possibly his swan song.

It would appear that Tyler Jay could replace Glen Perkins as the lefthanded heat out of the bullpen for years to come.



Haven't heard a word spoken about Glen Perkins in a month. PAB will never throw another pitch in a Twins uniform. He was provided a wonderful retirement program by Terry Ryan. Phil Hughes and Ricky Nolasco should also be extremely grateful.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (3/20/2017 1:17:30 PM)

His last outing, he touched 78 mph on the gun.

yeah, Perkins may be done.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (3/20/2017 1:19:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed
His last outing, he touched 78 mph on the gun.
yeah, Perkins may be done.


Oh Boy...that isn't all that fast for Legion/Town Team even...




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (3/20/2017 3:04:03 PM)

The Twins have been shamefully inept at drafting and developing starting pitching. There is a draft record and a statistical record for starting pitchers coming through our system. This is where Falvey and Levine don't deserve a pass. There are enough people still in the organization holding jobs in these positions. With regards to addressing the pitching issue, this needed to be a guy job, imo

To say they need to "evaluate" some of these long standing culprits through another season and draft cycle is absurd. Isn't there enough data for this guys to draw a conclusion about the situation? Here is a good place to start; Look at the record of starting pitchers drafted and raised by the Twins. Start with the best ones over the last decade. That would essentially be all the ones brought along since Liriano and Garza. They would quickly be able to conclude there isn't a single starting pitcher raised by this organization since that point in time worth a damn. Next, they ought to look at the organizational chart, job descriptions and date of hire. Anyone here related to evaluating pitching talent needs to be GONE. Yesterday!

For this, Falvey and Levine failed their first test. If they weren't going to overhaul the roster they should have at least brought in people to turn this around. That said, what the heck is Neil Allen still doing here?




kgdabom -> RE: Players and prospects III (3/20/2017 5:07:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

The Twins have been shamefully inept at drafting and developing starting pitching. There is a draft record and a statistical record for starting pitchers coming through our system. This is where Falvey and Levine don't deserve a pass. There are enough people still in the organization holding jobs in these positions. With regards to addressing the pitching issue, this needed to be a guy job, imo

To say they need to "evaluate" some of these long standing culprits through another season and draft cycle is absurd. Isn't there enough data for this guys to draw a conclusion about the situation? Here is a good place to start; Look at the record of starting pitchers drafted and raised by the Twins. Start with the best ones over the last decade. That would essentially be all the ones brought along since Liriano and Garza. They would quickly be able to conclude there isn't a single starting pitcher raised by this organization since that point in time worth a damn. Next, they ought to look at the organizational chart, job descriptions and date of hire. Anyone here related to evaluating pitching talent needs to be GONE. Yesterday!

For this, Falvey and Levine failed their first test. If they weren't going to overhaul the roster they should have at least brought in people to turn this around. That said, what the heck is Neil Allen still doing here?

Well stated.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/6/2017 3:59:03 PM)

Jose Berrios threw lightly today after the postponement and is scheduled to start the opener in Syracuse on Saturday for @RocRedWings.

Tommy Watkins' managerial debut also PPD in Beloit.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/6/2017 7:39:44 PM)

Righty Chris Anderson is heading to the Twins on a minors deal, Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN tweets (confirming what reader Jerry Anderson had heard).
He was released recently by the Dodgers after struggling in recent campaigns, including a messy effort in the Arizona Fall League. Anderson hails from Minnesota.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/6/2017 8:41:01 PM)

Both teams in action got shut out in their openers

Chatt lost 2-0, 3 hits

Corcino 2-4, Harrison 1-3/BB

LP Stewart 6IP 3H/UER/3BB/K
Melotakis IP H/2K
Bard 2IP H/R/BB/4K/HR


FTM lost 4-0

8 hits

Perez 2-4/double/Paul 2-4, Arraez 1-4/triple

LP Rodriguez 4.1IP 7H/4R/BB/4K
Rosario 1.2IP 0-1 IRS
Wells 2IP H/3K




sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/6/2017 10:42:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Both teams in action got shut out in their openers

Chatt lost 2-0, 3 hits

Corcino 2-4, Harrison 1-3/BB

LP Stewart 6IP 3H/UER/3BB/K
Melotakis IP H/2K
Bard 2IP H/R/BB/4K/HR


FTM lost 4-0

8 hits

Perez 2-4/double/Paul 2-4, Arraez 1-4/triple

LP Rodriguez 4.1IP 7H/4R/BB/4K
Rosario 1.2IP 0-1 IRS
Wells 2IP H/3K


I see Stewart still can't strike anyone out.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/7/2017 11:39:32 AM)

#Yankees AA LHP Miguel Sulbaran suspended 25 games for violating drug program. #mntwins used him to turn Drew Butera into Adalberto Mejia.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/7/2017 10:45:39 PM)

Nick Gordon walked Chatt off in 10 tonight 4-3

3-4/and GW RBI, 2 rbi's on the night. English 2-3/double/BB/R/RBI, Rohlfing 1-3/BB/Solo HR(1), Harrison 1-4/double/RBI

Tracy 5.2IP 7H/3R/1ER/BB/4K
Burdi 1.1IP 1-1 IRS K
Fernandez 2IP H/K
Curtiss 1-0 IP 2BB/K


FTM gave up 7 in the 7th to go down 11-1, lost 11-8

Arraez 3-5/R, Perez 2-4/2RBI, Wiel 1-4/double/sac fly/3RBi, Valera 1-5/2R/2RBi/E/Assist at home,Navaretto 1-4/Solo HR (1)

Stashak 0-1 6IP 7H/4R/eER/7K/HR
Clay .2IP 3H/6R/3BB
Theofanopoulos 1.1IP 3-3 IRS 4H/R/K


CR started with a doubleheader after TH rainout, split

4-0 win

Del Rosario 1-0 6IP 2H/BB/7K
Davis IP H

Kranson 2-3/double/R/RBi, Davis 1-2/double/Sac Fly/R/2RBi, Diaz 1-2 double/bb/R, Carrier 1-3/double


3-2 loss in game 2

Diaz 2-3/double/2RBi, Whitefield 1-3/Bb/R

Wells 4IP H/2R/4BB/6K/E(1)
Anderson 0-1 2.1IP 4H/R/BB/K

Roch rained out again. Yet to get a game in.




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 9:02:02 AM)

Falvey was scouting Hunter Greene last night. Greene's fastball was sitting in the 96-98 mph range.




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 9:12:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Falvey was scouting Hunter Greene last night. Greene's fastball was sitting in the 96-98 mph range.

Can't have that.




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 10:26:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Falvey was scouting Hunter Greene last night. Greene's fastball was sitting in the 96-98 mph range.




Good




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 10:27:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Falvey was scouting Hunter Greene last night. Greene's fastball was sitting in the 96-98 mph range.




I think the Twins should not only draft Greene,
I think they should bring back Aaron Hicks as a Pitcher.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 10:31:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Falvey was scouting Hunter Greene last night. Greene's fastball was sitting in the 96-98 mph range.




I think the Twins should not only draft Greene,
I think they should bring back Aaron Hicks as a Pitcher.



Blow the budget on this guy

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/04/06/shohei-ohtani




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 10:33:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Falvey was scouting Hunter Greene last night. Greene's fastball was sitting in the 96-98 mph range.




I think the Twins should not only draft Greene,
I think they should bring back Aaron Hicks as a Pitcher.



Blow the budget on this guy

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/04/06/shohei-ohtani




Film not grainy enough




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 10:36:19 AM)

If Green can handle the bat

Let him hit on non-pitching days.

Why not?




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 10:45:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

If Green can handle the bat

Let him hit on non-pitching days.

Why not?




I was telliing my wife that.
It would be a hell of a story to have an American Leauger play SS and Pitcher in modern times.

But the way they baby pitchers these days I don't see it happening.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 2:58:38 PM)

Roch finally started the year, 8 walks/12 hits, 10-0 win

Berrios 1-0 6IP 3H/BB/7K
Baxendale 3IP H/3K/Save(1)

Hague 3-6/2doubles/R, Garver 2-2/2doubles/2BB/R/4RBI, Paulsen 1-3/Bb/Grand Slam(HR#1), Park 2-4/double/BB/2R, Palka 2-4/BB/3R/RBI, Vargas 0-3/2BB/2R




SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 7:09:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

If Green can handle the bat

Let him hit on non-pitching days.

Why not?




I was telliing my wife that.
It would be a hell of a story to have an American Leauger play SS and Pitcher in modern times.

But the way they baby pitchers these days I don't see it happening.

Would maybe be the coolest thing, ever.
Seriously.
Would LOVE to see a kid do that.
Never understood how almost every HS pitcher is the best hitter on the team, yet so many who get to the majors aren't sure which end of the bat to use.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/8/2017 9:41:05 PM)

Chatt lost 3-2 Saturday

Gamache 2-4/RBI, Walker/Vielma 1-3/double, Gordon 1-4/BB/R/SB(1)

Romero 0-1 3.1Ip 3H/3R/3BB/4K/HR
Eades 1.2IO 2-3 IRS H/BB/2K
Turkey 4IP H/10K [:-]


3R 7th, FTM won 5-2

Kihle 2-2/doble/2R HR(1),2R, Perez 1-3/double/B/RBI
Fischer 4IP 5H/5K
McIver 2IP H/R/2BB
Ramirez BS/1-0 2IP 2H/R/2BB/3K
Drozd IP 2K Save(1)


CR gaveup 3 in the9th and lost7-6

Blankenhorn 2-4/double/BB/3R HR(1)/2R, Davis 1-4/triple/RBI/Assist at home

Poppen 7IP 6H/3R/2ER/7K/HR
Vasquez IP 2H/R/K
Hackimer BS/0-1 IP 3H/3R/BB/K




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/9/2017 3:03:00 PM)

Roch won the first of 2 Sunday, 6-2

Paulsen 1-3/3R HR(2), Vargas 2-4/double/R/2RBI, Field 2-4/double/R, Garver 1-2/2BB/R/RBI,Palka 1-2/2BB/R

Tepesch 1-0 5IP 6H/2R/2BB/2K/1 Pickoff
Hildenberger 2IP 2H/4K/Save(1)




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/9/2017 4:42:06 PM)

Red Wings winning game 2 Palka has 2 hrs, Paulsen has his 3rd in the series. Syracuse must be terrible.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/9/2017 4:45:25 PM)

CRapids 6-1 winner Sunday

Blankenhorn 3-4/Solo HR(2)/2R/2RBI/SB (1), Palacios 3-5/triple/2R/RBI, Kranson 2-4/double/R/2RBI, Lopez 3-4, Rortvedt 1-4/double/R/RBI


Schick 1-0 7IP 6H/R/2BB/7K
Cordy IP 3K
Robinson IP K




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