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sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:30:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer FA signed this offseason by our sit on their thumbs duo: Pitchers (Vogelson, Tepesch, Millery, Tracy, Greenwood, Rucinski, Haley, Balan, Guiterrez, DeCasta, Diaz) Catchers (Castro, Gimenez, Rodriguez, Rohlfing, Morales) 1B ( Rodriguez, Rodrigues, Hague, Paulsen) 2B ( Field, Kennedy) SS (Gonzales) 3B (Gamache) An inspiring list of signings. [&:]

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:32:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sixthwi quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer FA signed this offseason by our sit on their thumbs duo: Pitchers (Vogelson, Tepesch, Millery, Tracy, Greenwood, Rucinski, Haley, Balan, Guiterrez, DeCasta, Diaz) Catchers (Castro, Gimenez, Rodriguez, Rohlfing, Morales) 1B ( Rodriguez, Rodrigues, Hague, Paulsen) 2B ( Field, Kennedy) SS (Gonzales) 3B (Gamache) An inspiring list of signings. [&:] I like the 2 catchers and Paulsen as a backup plan....don't know much about the rest. I was impressed that they addressed the Catching position early.

McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:32:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sixthwi quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer FA signed this offseason by our sit on their thumbs duo: Pitchers (Vogelson, Tepesch, Millery, Tracy, Greenwood, Rucinski, Haley, Balan, Guiterrez, DeCasta, Diaz) Catchers (Castro, Gimenez, Rodriguez, Rohlfing, Morales) 1B ( Rodriguez, Rodrigues, Hague, Paulsen) 2B ( Field, Kennedy) SS (Gonzales) 3B (Gamache) An inspiring list of signings. [&:] Yep, The Gashouse Gorillas. Like I said before, when Phil likes it, check your Math.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:33:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: sixthwi quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer FA signed this offseason by our sit on their thumbs duo: Pitchers (Vogelson, Tepesch, Millery, Tracy, Greenwood, Rucinski, Haley, Balan, Guiterrez, DeCasta, Diaz) Catchers (Castro, Gimenez, Rodriguez, Rohlfing, Morales) 1B ( Rodriguez, Rodrigues, Hague, Paulsen) 2B ( Field, Kennedy) SS (Gonzales) 3B (Gamache) An inspiring list of signings. [&:] Yep, The Gashouse Gorillas. Like I said before, when Phil likes it, check your Math. Who did I actually say I liked (always twisting Murf)? I don't know any of them but Paulsen, Castro, and Gimenez....you are saying they didn't sign any Pitchers or doing anything...just a list to disprove it.

McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:36:23 AM)
You're a victim of Low Expectations Phil. Break the cycle.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:38:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sixthwi quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer FA signed this offseason by our sit on their thumbs duo: Pitchers (Vogelson, Tepesch, Millery, Tracy, Greenwood, Rucinski, Haley, Balan, Guiterrez, DeCasta, Diaz) Catchers (Castro, Gimenez, Rodriguez, Rohlfing, Morales) 1B ( Rodriguez, Rodrigues, Hague, Paulsen) 2B ( Field, Kennedy) SS (Gonzales) 3B (Gamache) An inspiring list of signings. [&:] I like Castro & Gimenez, Vogelsong, & Paulsen as Minor League signings. Don't know too much about the rest. Murf always wants you to check your math if you aren't as negative as him.

McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 11:45:24 AM)
Hey Phil, I have some magic beans to sell. If you buy them and plant them in your yard, the Twins will win a Championship. I promise. I can't tell you when. You just have to believe.

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 12:03:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy Phil, nice cut and paste. Now do it for all the teams. The ones that didn't finish in last. The fact that you, a Trump supporter, really likes this guy is enough to give me doubts. [&:][&:] That's actually kind of funny because I had the same thought when I was talking to my financial advisor the other day. "I'll be a very happy man next week." Wow. I can take that he's a Republican...most "financial" guys are...for whatever reason. But the excitement about Trump made me think twice about his competence.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 12:09:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy Hey Phil, I have some magic beans to sell. If you buy them and plant them in your yard, the Twins will win a Championship. I promise. I can't tell you when. You just have to believe. quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy Phil, nice cut and paste. Now do it for all the teams. The ones that didn't finish in last. The fact that you, a Trump supporter, really likes this guy is enough to give me doubts. Like I said the offseason isn't over yet and I look at the World Champs and Theo took 4 years to accomplish that. I find it laughable you and Ewen think it can be done the day after he was hired. Also can't help that your preferred candidate choked the election away.....let it go man.

McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 12:18:30 PM)
My preferred candidate, John Kasich, wasn't on the ballot.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 12:31:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan quote: ORIGINAL: MDK Remember that the Twins did get Carlos Gomez for Santana. Had we not had a brain dead manager who failed to recognize Gomez's strengths and weaknesses, the deal was not as terrible as we all think in hindsight. Gomez could have been a very very good CF for the Twins for a number of years. And Gomez did bring us an all star shortstop who again, was improperly evaluated by our brain dead manager. Santana was entering FA after the upcoming season and the Twins did not have any bargaining power with him. Where Smith seemed to fail was to recognize that Boston and the Yanks were simply playing with each other to get the other to blink. Neither did and as such, no real offer from either was put forth for Santana. Where Falvey and Levine really have to make changes is evaluation of talent for the drafts and development of talent in the minors. It would be nice to add some pieces for this season in addition to a catcher..... But frankly, they can't do anything so changes in the fundamental structure of the organization are most important. It appears that they have and are continuing to address some of those. Finally, Dozier will be valuable trade piece in ST and even midseason. As the Strib notes today, the signing of Jason Castro cannot be considered insignificant. He was the 13th ranked free agent, and he has secured the 14th largest contract so far in free agency. I was entirely insignificant.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 12:33:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy Hi. I'm Derek Falvey. This is my dream job. How can I help you? [image]local://132/B00A8B60BBE4452EBB440F845F6B3860.JPG[/image] He does look like a twit.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/19/2017 2:04:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy My preferred candidate, John Kasich, wasn't on the ballot. Even worse...your preferred candidate choked the primaries away.

McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/20/2017 12:24:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy My preferred candidate, John Kasich, wasn't on the ballot. Even worse...your preferred candidate choked the primaries away. I'm sure the potato chip factory in central Minnesota will benefit greatly under Trump. Be sure to look up hoodwinked on dictionary.com at some point today.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/20/2017 1:05:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy My preferred candidate, John Kasich, wasn't on the ballot. Even worse...your preferred candidate choked the primaries away. I'm sure the potato chip factory in central Minnesota will benefit greatly under Trump. Be sure to look up hoodwinked on dictionary.com at some point today. Actually Trump probably won't affect Barrel O' Fun any more since they got bought out...I sent you a PM.

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/23/2017 1:41:31 PM)
Kiriloff, Gonsalves and Stewart are all ranked between 80-100 on the MLB prospect list according to Keith Law.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/23/2017 3:03:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan Kiriloff, Gonsalves and Stewart are all ranked between 80-100 on the MLB prospect list according to Keith Law. Good,that ensures that they will become future first ballot HOF players.

MDK -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/23/2017 3:19:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan Kiriloff, Gonsalves and Stewart are all ranked between 80-100 on the MLB prospect list according to Keith Law. It was nice to see three in the 80 - 100. My concern is that in the ranking 1 to 40, we won't have any. All of the prospects with high ceilings are now with the big league club. Only exception might be Kepler who maybe still considered a prospect and perhaps Berrios. I don't know when Law cuts them off and says they are no longer prospects. Twins did not make the top 10 list of farm clubs so the numbers would suggest, we won't have a whole lot in Law's 1 to 100 list.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/23/2017 4:04:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MDK quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan Kiriloff, Gonsalves and Stewart are all ranked between 80-100 on the MLB prospect list according to Keith Law. It was nice to see three in the 80 - 100. My concern is that in the ranking 1 to 40, we won't have any. All of the prospects with high ceilings are now with the big league club. Only exception might be Kepler who maybe still considered a prospect and perhaps Berrios. I don't know when Law cuts them off and says they are no longer prospects. Twins did not make the top 10 list of farm clubs so the numbers would suggest, we won't have a whole lot in Law's 1 to 100 list. The Twins entire lack of FA activity and void of trade activity indicates they are going with the youth movement from the past 1-2 seasons. Obviously, all of their prospects from 2015/2016 have been promoted to regulars on the 25-player roster. The Twins will either sink, treadwater, or surf with pretty much the same roster they ended 2016 with. They have put an enormous amount of emphasis on pitch framing by acquiring Castro. This qualifies as one of these obscure new age stats. So no need to bolster the BP or starting rotation because pitch framing will automatically make every Twins pitcher so much better.

ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/23/2017 4:30:47 PM)
Interesting. These blue chip prospects have long been the carrot coaxing us to be patient and stick with the Twins. It's high time we start seeing some REAL payoff. I am starting to think we really only have few guys and those guys might be more sizzle than substance. Buxton and Sano both need to step in a pretty legit way. It's time to put the big boy pants on fellas. I know they are young but we're touted a special players. Time start making an impact

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/23/2017 4:48:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: MDK quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan Kiriloff, Gonsalves and Stewart are all ranked between 80-100 on the MLB prospect list according to Keith Law. It was nice to see three in the 80 - 100. My concern is that in the ranking 1 to 40, we won't have any. All of the prospects with high ceilings are now with the big league club. Only exception might be Kepler who maybe still considered a prospect and perhaps Berrios. I don't know when Law cuts them off and says they are no longer prospects. Twins did not make the top 10 list of farm clubs so the numbers would suggest, we won't have a whole lot in Law's 1 to 100 list. The Twins entire lack of FA activity and void of trade activity indicates they are going with the youth movement from the past 1-2 seasons. Obviously, all of their prospects from 2015/2016 have been promoted to regulars on the 25-player roster. The Twins will either sink, treadwater, or surf with pretty much the same roster they ended 2016 with. They have put an enormous amount of emphasis on pitch framing by acquiring Castro. This qualifies as one of these obscure new age stats. So no need to bolster the BP or starting rotation because pitch framing will automatically make every Twins pitcher so much better. From what I saw in twitter & Doogie there is going to be a lot of action in 2-3 weeks as FO across baseball to wait for prices to drop. Napoli, Hammel, & Brett Anderson are FAs still out there for example. Trumbo, EE, and Joey Bats just signed and were considered some of the bigger FAs.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/24/2017 1:59:31 PM)
Per @MattEddyBA , #mntwins have signed RHP Yohan Pino to a minor-league deal. His 3rd tour w/org. Spent last year in #KBO. Now 33.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (1/24/2017 4:09:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Per @MattEddyBA , #mntwins have signed RHP Yohan Pino to a minor-league deal. His 3rd tour w/org. Spent last year in #KBO. Now 33. ~sigh~

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (2/1/2017 6:29:47 AM)
MINNEAPOLIS -- The Twins announced their 2017 Minor League coaching staffs on Tuesday, and there was some reshuffling as a result of Class A Advanced Fort Myers manager Jeff Smith being promoted to Minnesota's first-base coach in December. Several familiar names are involved, as Jake Mauer, brother of Joe Mauer, was moved up to Double-A Chattanooga in his 10th season managing in the Twins' organization, while Toby Gardenhire, son of former manager Ron Gardenhire, was hired as hitting coach for the Gulf Coast League Twins. Mike Quade remains the manager at Triple-A Rochester, but Mauer moves up to manager at Chattanooga after four years at Class A Cedar Rapids. Doug Mientkiewicz returns to manage Fort Myers after managing at Chattanooga for two years. It's not a demotion for Mientkiewicz, however; it was a mutual decision to allow him to be closer to his Florida home. Tommy Watkins replaces Mientkiewicz at Cedar Rapids in his first professional managing job, while Ray Smith returns as manager for the Rookie-level Elizabethton Twins. Ramon Borrego is also coming back for his seventh year as manager of the Gulf Coast League Twins. At Rochester, pitching coach Stu Cliburn, hitting coach Chad Allen and trainer Larry Bennese all return, while Tyler Burkes was hired as strength and conditioning coach. There's a new hitting coach at Chattanooga, as Javier Valentin will begin his first year as hitting coach of the Lookouts, while Ivan Arteaga remains pitching coach and Chris Johnson remains the head trainer. There's also a new hitting coach at Fort Myers, as Steve Singleton was hired in that role after serving as hitting coach for the GCL Twins last season. Henry Bonilla returns as pitching coach and Alan Rail is back as the Miracle's trainer. Watkins is the lone change to the staff at Cedar Rapids, as pitching coach J.P. Martinez, hitting coach Brian Dinkelman and trainer Steve Taylor all return. The big addition to the GCL staff is the hiring of Gardenhire as hitting coach. Gardenhire played seven seasons in the Twins' organization and previously coached at UW-Stout. Cibney Bello is back as pitching coach, while Jose Marzan will be a coach and the club's Latin American operations coordinator. Trainer Axel Lopez returns, while Phil Hartt will be the strength and conditioning coach. In the Dominican Summer League, Asdrubal Estrada will serve as manager and is joined by pitching coach Manuel Santana and coaches Jimmy Alvarez, Leury Bonilla and Jairo Rodriguez. The organization's Minor League coordinators also remain unchanged, with Eric Rasmussen as pitching coordinator, Sam Perlozzo as infield and baserunning coordinator and Rick Eckstein as hitting coordinator.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (3/20/2017 5:42:58 AM)
Such a good job of talent evaluation [&o] The Twins have made Tyler Jay, their sixth overall pick in the 2015 draft, a reliever. This was alarming at first because in no way should the sixth overall pick be a reliever. On the heels of selecting Aaron Hicks (2008), Alex Wimmers (2010), Levi Michael (2011) with first round picks and not watching them flourish, the decision on Jay looks troubling for a farm system that needs to produce. Teams that wont make it rain on free agents have to be above average in scouting and development. This is an area where the Twins can't fail. Before I wrote this, I called Brad Steil, the Twins director of minor leagues, this morning for an explanation. Moving Jay into the bullpen was based on several factors. The one that jumped out at me: Jay pitched 85 innings between the University of Illinois and Class A Fort Myers in 2015. He threw 83 innings between Fort Myers and Class AA Chattanooga last season. And 15 of his 18 appearances last season were as a starter. He was 5-5, 2.84 at Fort Myers when he was promoted to Chattanooga. The Twins tried to build him up but he was slowed by a couple injuries, including a pinched nerve in his neck at Chattanooga. He was placed on the DL on Aug. 1, where he spent the rest of the season. He was 0-0, 5.79 for the Lookouts over 14 innings. Steil said Jay, who throws a fastball, slider, change and curve, was making progress as a starter. But they can't have him go from throwing 85 innings in a season to 150. The buildup would take time. He's coming off an injury. So he's a reliever going forward. The faster track to the majors for the 23-year old Jay is to use him as a reliever. And fast track means he could be in the majors by the end of the season. Keep in mind that Jay only started three games in two years at Illinois. He's been a reliever for most of the last four years, and hasn't pitched more than 85 innings in a season. "We had a lot of discussions both internally and with Tyler about the situation and the best plan for him," Steil said, "I think he is comfortable in either role. Potentially, it's about how he could impact the major league team." Here's something else to consider. Jay is lefthanded and can reach the mid-90's with his fastball. He can sink and cut his fastball. His slider will become his main secondary pitch, with less reliance on his change up and curve. There's another lefthander in camp who is rehabbing from shoulder surgery, and the process has been meticulously slow. His last outing, he touched 78 mph on the gun. There is no telling when he will be able to help the Twins. He's in the last year of his contract, making 2017 possibly his swan song. It would appear that Tyler Jay could replace Glen Perkins as the lefthanded heat out of the bullpen for years to come.

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