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Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 5:28:15 AM)

Roch dropped 2 on the road TH

5-4 loss in game 1, after tying it in the top/7

Beresford 2-4/double/RBI, Farris 2-3/BB/SB(15), Ortiz 1-3/double/R, Flori 1-2/BB/R/E(14)

Diamond 4.2IP 9H/4R/Bb/3K/2HR
Oliveros 0-1 1.2IP R/2BB/2K 1-3 IRS
Pressly 0IP 1-2 IRS H

1-0 loss in game 2 also lost in the last at bat, leadoff walk-off HR

Wilkin 2-3, Flori/Beresford/Romero 1-3

Guerra 3IP 3H/2K
Achter 2-3 3IP 2H/R/HR


NB 4-zip winner

Vasquez 5-5 9IP 5H/8K


Kvasnicka 2-4/2doubles(17)/R/2RBI, Hicks 1-3/BB/RBI/Assist @2nd, Rosairo 2-4, Vargas 1-4/Solo HR(15), Wickens 1-3/R

FTM won 5-4

Walker 1-4 2-R HR (19)Goodrun 2-5/double/R, Harrison 3-4/Solo HR(2), Mejia 2-4/2SB(9), Hicks 0-2/2BB/2R

Mildren 1-0 5.1IP 5H/2R/BB/3K/HR
Boer IP 0-2 IRS H/BB/K
Gruver IP 0-1 IRS H/R
Peterson .2IP 1-1IRS 2H/R/2K
TJones IP K/Save(12)


5 run 8th, CRapids won 7-5, despite 5 E's

Wade 1-3/Sac Fly/3R HR(2)/4RBI/E(7), Altobelli 2-2/double/BB/2R/E(5), Swim 2-4/double/2RBI, Vavra 1-2/triple/2R/RBI

Hu 6IP 5H/4UER/BB/4K/E(1)
Muren 3-1 2I 2H/2K
Gallant IP 2H/UER/3K/Save(1)


Eliz 4-2 win

Mautner 2-4/double(7)/RBI/E(4), Navaretto 1-4/SoloHR(1), Pineda 2-4/double/B/R, Max 1-4/double(7)/R

Batts 1-0 5IP 4H/2R/6K/HR
Lo 2IP H/5K
DRod 2IP H/BB/2K/Save(1)



lylej -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 7:31:30 AM)

+++Byron Buxton was still looking for his first hit (through eight at-bats) since returning to Class A Fort Myers after a two-month absence with an injured left wrist. Reports on Buxton had him being "a little rusty ... a little pull-oriented," Antony said, but his wrist is fine now.



TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 7:53:29 AM)

BUST!



Jim Frenette -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 10:47:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lylej

+++Byron Buxton was still looking for his first hit (through eight at-bats) since returning to Class A Fort Myers after a two-month absence with an injured left wrist. Reports on Buxton had him being "a little rusty ... a little pull-oriented," Antony said, but his wrist is fine now.


I'm guessing he is still favoring it a little afraid he might reinjure it



MDK -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 10:51:48 AM)

Diamond continues to impress at Rochester.[sm=rollinglaugh.gif]

I can certainly see why it was such a difficult decision for our brain trusts Gardy and Anderson to select Gibson for the rotation over Diamond. [sm=scratch.gif]



twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 10:59:15 AM)

Diamond needs to be released. What's the point in continuing to run him out there in the 2nd half?



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 11:27:43 AM)

This organization is mind-numbingly dumb. What the hell are we waiting on now with Meyer? Makes no sense at all.

This team is going to lose 90+ games at this rate this year. Even if they lose 80, big deal. That's like getting a 3rd place ribbon. Lose with PURPOSE for 2015 and beyond. Let the kids play. I am just fine to stomach the losses if we are giving time to the kids and letting them make their necessary adjustments so they can be ready to compete and add to contention in 2015 and beyond. To continue to play vets for some delusional hope of competing in 2014 is insanity.

Trade Willingham, Correia, and Suzuki. Play Pinto, Hicks, Meyer, Arcia, Santana (when healthy), and Tonkin. As soon as May is ready, call him up too. Let these guys play so they can be ready and add to the core when Buxton/Sano are ready next season. Otherwise we're going to be breaking 10-12 guys in (Rosario/Vargas/Berrios are all inching closer) at the same time. That's stupid.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 12:01:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

This organization is mind-numbingly dumb. What the hell are we waiting on now with Meyer? Makes no sense at all.

This team is going to lose 90+ games at this rate this year. Even if they lose 80, big deal. That's like getting a 3rd place ribbon. Lose with PURPOSE for 2015 and beyond. Let the kids play. I am just fine to stomach the losses if we are giving time to the kids and letting them make their necessary adjustments so they can be ready to compete and add to contention in 2015 and beyond. To continue to play vets for some delusional hope of competing in 2014 is insanity.

Trade Willingham, Correia, and Suzuki. Play Pinto, Hicks, Meyer, Arcia, Santana (when healthy), and Tonkin. As soon as May is ready, call him up too. Let these guys play so they can be ready and add to the core when Buxton/Sano are ready next season. Otherwise we're going to be breaking 10-12 guys in (Rosario/Vargas/Berrios are all inching closer) at the same time. That's stupid.


Exactly. Deal with the growing pains now. It will hurt less.

This front office and coaching staff is just plain dumb.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 12:06:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lylej

+++Byron Buxton was still looking for his first hit (through eight at-bats) since returning to Class A Fort Myers after a two-month absence with an injured left wrist. Reports on Buxton had him being "a little rusty ... a little pull-oriented," Antony said, but his wrist is fine now.


Or is it because they are forcing him to go the other way and he's struggling with that?

The potential for silliness with this organization is high so that scenario is entirely possible



Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 12:10:58 PM)

I agree about Willingham, Duensing to Milwaukee for a power RH relief pitcher and Correia for Jon Jay....not so sure about Suzuki....he was been hitting Mauer-like behind the plate. Doesn't mean that Pinto shouldn't be our 2nd catcher though.

I still think if you keep three catchers.....you move Mauer to Left or Right Field DH Pinto when he isn't catching and have Morales at 1st. With that lineup you don't need much of a bench:

1. Santana/Esky
2. Mauer
3. Dozier
4. Morales
5. Plouffe/Nunez
6. Suzuki
7. Pinto
8. Arcia/Nunez
9. Jay

Parmalee, Nunez, Esky, and Hermann bench guys.

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

This organization is mind-numbingly dumb. What the hell are we waiting on now with Meyer? Makes no sense at all.

This team is going to lose 90+ games at this rate this year. Even if they lose 80, big deal. That's like getting a 3rd place ribbon. Lose with PURPOSE for 2015 and beyond. Let the kids play. I am just fine to stomach the losses if we are giving time to the kids and letting them make their necessary adjustments so they can be ready to compete and add to contention in 2015 and beyond. To continue to play vets for some delusional hope of competing in 2014 is insanity.

Trade Willingham, Correia, and Suzuki. Play Pinto, Hicks, Meyer, Arcia, Santana (when healthy), and Tonkin. As soon as May is ready, call him up too. Let these guys play so they can be ready and add to the core when Buxton/Sano are ready next season. Otherwise we're going to be breaking 10-12 guys in (Rosario/Vargas/Berrios are all inching closer) at the same time. That's stupid.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 1:28:19 PM)

Trading for Jay would be one of the dumbest thing this organization has done, with no contention this year and Buxton/Hicks/Arcia/Rosario all nearing or already ready.

Suzuki playing well is exactly why you trade him now. Sell high. This organization never gets this. Suzuki is playing above his head, just like Willingham was 2 years ago. THAT is when you deal a guy, not wait until he's fallen back to normal and you get nothing for him.



Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 2:15:58 PM)

See what STL will offer for Suzuki. They won't re-sign him in the offseason, so go back and get him again if he really want him.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 2:16:19 PM)

Exactly.



twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 2:19:47 PM)

But how will we react if we do re-sign him this off-season? [&:][&:]



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 2:21:55 PM)

Pinto needs to play; simple as that.



Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 2:34:37 PM)

yup, what i wrote yesterday holds


I know it is 0% but if Ryan had any foresight at all on how to incrementally fix things with his 40-man roster and organizational depth he would call up the Cards and ask for Randall Grichuk the OF for Suzuki....no great shakes as far as being an uber prospect but he could play centerfield for us and not embarrass himself. And what the Twins are trotting out there as far as outfielders and outfield defense is embarrassing right now.

Just was looking at it as far as being realistic and what the Cards had an excess of. With Suzuki being a free agent after this season and him just being a stopgap option, very short term for them, I saw a match to them with outfielders. They have a ton of good prospects there, Piscotty and James Ramsey (and Tavaras).

But this is all wasted typing. The Twins view Suzuki as a long-term piece right now. I have no doubt of that.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:07:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stacey King

yup, what i wrote yesterday holds


I know it is 0% but if Ryan had any foresight at all on how to incrementally fix things with his 40-man roster and organizational depth he would call up the Cards and ask for Randall Grichuk the OF for Suzuki....no great shakes as far as being an uber prospect but he could play centerfield for us and not embarrass himself. And what the Twins are trotting out there as far as outfielders and outfield defense is embarrassing right now.

Just was looking at it as far as being realistic and what the Cards had an excess of. With Suzuki being a free agent after this season and him just being a stopgap option, very short term for them, I saw a match to them with outfielders. They have a ton of good prospects there, Piscotty and James Ramsey (and Tavaras).

But this is all wasted typing. The Twins view Suzuki as a long-term piece right now. I have no doubt of that.


I am thinking they are just waiting til after the all star break. Suzuki is one of two all stars on the team. We don't want to trade him away and cost him is chance etc...

Nah, that's just makes too much sense. You're right Stacey. They are working on a 5 year extention. Pinto will be traded by Spring Training and will go to some other team, hit 30hrs a year, be a perenial all star and we will get some relief pitcher that will make absolutely no impact in return.



Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:07:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stacey King

yup, what i wrote yesterday holds


I know it is 0% but if Ryan had any foresight at all on how to incrementally fix things with his 40-man roster and organizational depth he would call up the Cards and ask for Randall Grichuk the OF for Suzuki....no great shakes as far as being an uber prospect but he could play centerfield for us and not embarrass himself. And what the Twins are trotting out there as far as outfielders and outfield defense is embarrassing right now.

Just was looking at it as far as being realistic and what the Cards had an excess of. With Suzuki being a free agent after this season and him just being a stopgap option, very short term for them, I saw a match to them with outfielders. They have a ton of good prospects there, Piscotty and James Ramsey (and Tavaras).

But this is all wasted typing. The Twins view Suzuki as a long-term piece right now. I have no doubt of that.


Agree. Surprised they haven't signed him to a two year deal yet (although there is ZERO reason to do so before the end of the year).



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:12:27 PM)

Yep. Suzuki will be re-signed. Idiots. The Twins are like the worst stock market players you'd ever see. No idea how to value players at all.



MDK -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:16:55 PM)

Twins management looking to future instead of the immediate present.
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You guys are killing me.

Twins trade an all star like Suzuki (even though it makes sense)

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Twins trade a potential solid to very very good catcher like Pinto for a so so relief pitcher.

Now that is a deal that TR, Gardy and Perkins can get on board with.



Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:19:48 PM)

Aaron Hicks in his last 10 at New Britain: .433/.553/.567



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:21:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Aaron Hicks in his last 10 at New Britain: .433/.553/.567


Nice. Move him up to Rochester with Rosario and Vargas after the break. Move them all up to the Twins in September.



jimbo -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:21:57 PM)

We don't do that here, history shows we wait until value is at an all time low. Then put the guy on the block and get little or nothing in
Return. Terry Ryan endorsement. Still can't believe he's still th gm.



jimbo -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:25:39 PM)

Correct move them up, I would be willing to bet we have some of the oldest players at every level in the minors.
Have you seen the roster in Rochester, full of has Beens and never will bees.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/11/2014 3:31:16 PM)

I should amend my statement; move them up from NB after July 27th, when I will visit. [:D] Then I can see them in Rochester in August.



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