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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 12:52:20 PM   
McMurfy


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Status: offline 		It is not lost on me that the longer the "search" drags out, the more money is saved in Manager salary.
Think of it this way, 4 million divided by 12 is 333,333.

That is real Pohlads money savings right there.
Aren't we currently on week 4?

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 1:26:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		lg does not like major announcements by teams during the WS. strongly discourages them.
takes away from their spotlight event.

Molitor hire will be after the WS concludes.
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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 1:43:48 PM   
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lg does not like major announcements by teams during the WS. strongly discourages them.
takes away from their spotlight event.

Molitor hire will be after the WS concludes.


I read that earlier Stacey........if they did announce during the WS, it would be on a day that no game is played......don't want to distract from the WS excitement.

Here again is why MLB is brain dead when it comes to promoting itself. We have had too long a wait between the league championships and the beginning of the WS. Sure, we might have the schedule already in place in advance, in particular, to satisfy the TV people.

So why not use the filler time to make big announcements. Keep people talking about baseball.

Seriously, other than the fans of the KC and San Fran teams, who is talking about the WS during this waiting period? Who is talking about baseball other than posters such as us and baseball writers such as Buster and Tim K, etc.

No one.

And why the TV ratings for this upcoming WS will be low as usual.

This sport is run and managed by brain dead, out of touch old white men.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:01:13 PM   
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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:12:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good points Miles.

They think that during the WS baseball is going to get coverage on all the major networks no matter what. Then after it is over they can start announcing their major awards and keep MLB getting at least a mention during SportsCenter and the like with one story a day for those announcements. Then all the new hires get a mention for MLB on other days to come. Keep their face in there for as long as they can as many ways as they can during the off-season. But it seems like it is fighting a losing battle with the younger generation anyway. Not getting a lot of new ones. The fans now are the only fans anyway.

You hit the nail on the head with:

Seriously, other than the fans of the KC and San Fran teams, who is talking about the WS during this waiting period?
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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:20:15 PM   
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Miles, you leave the GOP out of this discussion please.



It's funny ... because it's true.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:23:13 PM   
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That's BS
Start the WS two days after the last game of the LCS.
Really?
You're gonna turn it down, the opp to play in the WS? Because that's not enough advanced notice?
Bullshit. This is 2014. Act like it.
Logistics, schmogistcs. Fire it up and keep the interest alive.
Besides this crew, no one I know knows whether the WS is over or not.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:25:32 PM   
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Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo · 3h 3 hours ago

Torey Lovullo very much in hunt for Twins manager job.
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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:26:29 PM   
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There's no need for "set" scheduled playoff games.
That's BS
Start the WS two days after the last game of the LCS.
Really?
You're gonna turn it down, the opp to play in the WS? Because that's not enough advanced notice?
Bullshit. This is 2014. Act like it.
Logistics, schmogistcs. Fire it up and keep the interest alive.
Besides this crew, no one I know knows whether the WS is over or not.



The almighty TV networks rule all. They had their sponsors lined lined up for specific nights of the week and MLB and its fans just have to deal with it.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:34:52 PM   
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Boston Globe writer

Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo · 3h 3 hours ago

Torey Lovullo very much in hunt for Twins manager job.


I'm starting to lose weight, this has been happening so much ....

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 2:44:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll believe it when I see it. Boston reporters obviously aren't familiar with the Twins and how they do things. No doubt Lovullo's agent is spreading that angle. The Pohlad's love Molitor. The Pohlad's forced Moiltor on Gardenweasel. Molitor is going to be the Twins next manager.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:24:48 PM   
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Trade Joe Mauer.

Find a taker, eat whatever portion you have to.

It would shake the franchise and 'fan base' up.

I really don't think it would impact attendance that much.

Joe is clogging 1B/DH,where I as a fan expect power and production, not flares w/2 strikes to LF or a walk when a hit is needed.

Sorry, Joe. IMO, his best days are past, and all should move on. Utilize some money saved on pitching/OF help, and look to the future, forcing a guy like Dozier/Plouffe to take over
the non-existent leadership on/off the field(around the media) that this team needs.

JMO.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:26:22 PM   
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The next step after announcing a manager.


Trade Joe Mauer.

Find a taker, eat whatever portion you have to.

It would shake the franchise and 'fan base' up.

I really don't think it would impact attendance that much.

Joe is clogging 1B/DH,where I as a fan expect power and production, not flares w/2 strikes to LF or a walk when a hit is needed.

Sorry, Joe. IMO, his best days are past, and all should move on. Utilize some money saved on pitching/OF help, and look to the future, forcing a guy like Dozier/Plouffe to take over
the non-existent leadership on/off the field(around the media) that this team needs.

JMO.


People think it will be easy to trade Joe Mauer. If Joe don't want to go. Joe's not going. He has complete control to nix a trade. No trade clause or 10-5 status...Joe's not going anywhere.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:28:51 PM   
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Money talks. They should make an effort. Make Joe's life less comfy. Media, too.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:30:31 PM   
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Joe Torre is the only player in Major League history to log 300+ games at another position after catching his 900th game. Mauer has some experience at first, having started 54 games there over the past few seasons, but admits that those games aren't the same: "You know, the last few seasons, when I’d get out there, it was kind of a day off from catching, and it was kind of like, go out there and do your best. But now, it’s your job. So you’d better do it right."


Didn't get that done either. Less than impressive at 1B. Hitting in a premium power position with that bat is embarrassing.

Show some pride. Demand a winner or a trade to someone with more than a snowball's chance in hell of winning in 2015.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:34:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even if they were willing to do that nobody is going to take Mauer at his salary. The only justification for paying Joe what he got was that he did what he did offensively as a catcher. Even at that it's all moot because Joe has a no trade clause.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:46:24 PM   
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Even if they were willing to do that nobody is going to take Mauer at his salary. The only justification for paying Joe what he got was that he did what he did offensively as a catcher. Even at that it's all moot because Joe has a no trade clause.



Don't believe it.

Someone out there would take Mauer.

Joe should demand more, and if not , don't sit there and take another crappy season.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 3:51:57 PM   
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It requires creativity
Uh-oh
Ok, maybe one team couldn't figure it out.

Gotta give the Twins a break .... As usual.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 4:08:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Joe is smart enough to know a new manager will mean a different attitude towards him. Also he had one of his worst years in many and probably is a bit embarrassed about it.

FYI...Molitor or Doug would bench Mauer for a couple of extra days if he ever asks out of the lineup and/or would have no problem batting him higher or lower than 3. About the best thing about letting go of cookie cutter manager.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 4:29:25 PM   
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Besides .... As I've been whining about for years .... The manager here is allowed to set his roster, with very little GM input.
It damn-well better stay that way.


I disagree. I think Gardy is forced to keep players that have big salaries.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 4:30:48 PM   
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Even if they were willing to do that nobody is going to take Mauer at his salary. The only justification for paying Joe what he got was that he did what he did offensively as a catcher. Even at that it's all moot because Joe has a no trade clause.



Don't believe it.

Someone out there would take Mauer.

Joe should demand more, and if not , don't sit there and take another crappy season.


Ed, I rarely ever disagree with you on a baseball matter. But, I sincerely believe that there is no way in hell another team would take Mauer's contract with 4 years remaining on it. He no longer catches and he is too far removed from a great year at the plate. There is also no way in hell the Twins would pay part of his contract to facilitate a trade. Face it. We are stuck with Mauer to the bitter end.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 4:38:38 PM   
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Besides .... As I've been whining about for years .... The manager here is allowed to set his roster, with very little GM input.
It damn-well better stay that way.


I disagree. I think Gardy is forced to keep players that have big salaries.



No....Gardy is the one who didn't care for Bartlett and let a solid shortstop be packaged in a trade for Delmon.
Gardy screamed bloody murder when Nathan went down and Rausch had a hiccup and demanded a closer. He didn't care for Ramos and let him be traded.
Gardy didn't like the way Hardy played back on grounders, didn't see him as a protypical shortstop who could keek a touchdown and run the bases like a madman and he was traded.


I could give you a list a mile long on how Gardy had way too much input in player personnel decisions.

Gardy doesn't care about the salaries....the higher salaries suggest the player is a veteran with veteran leadership and all those intangibles......

It wasn't a gun in the TR's hand to Gardy's head that Bartlett, Kubel and Guerrier made the team out of ST.

Gardy has had way too much input in player personnel, an area he absolutely sucks in terms of player evaluation.

Since Gardy has had such carte blanche in roster selection and player personnel decisions, it would seem to make sense if we finally have a manager with the wherewithal to make player evaluations such as Molitor, to have at least as much input as Gardy had.

My preference......player personnel decisions should be up to the FO, the GM. They get the manager the team and players....the manager should get them in the best position to play. That means, don't try to change a player into someone they are not.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 4:40:17 PM   
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Miles, you leave the GOP out of this discussion please.


I never meant to imply anything political. If you want to infer from my comments that the GOP and the boys who run MLB are basically one in the same, a bunch of old white guys who want to see Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann naked, that is your prerogative.

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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 4:46:04 PM   
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RE: General Twins Talk X - 10/21/2014 5:30:41 PM   
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Besides .... As I've been whining about for years .... The manager here is allowed to set his roster, with very little GM input.
It damn-well better stay that way.


I disagree. I think Gardy is forced to keep players that have big salaries.



No....Gardy is the one who didn't care for Bartlett and let a solid shortstop be packaged in a trade for Delmon.
Gardy screamed bloody murder when Nathan went down and Rausch had a hiccup and demanded a closer. He didn't care for Ramos and let him be traded.
Gardy didn't like the way Hardy played back on grounders, didn't see him as a protypical shortstop who could keek a touchdown and run the bases like a madman and he was traded.


I could give you a list a mile long on how Gardy had way too much input in player personnel decisions.

Gardy doesn't care about the salaries....the higher salaries suggest the player is a veteran with veteran leadership and all those intangibles......

It wasn't a gun in the TR's hand to Gardy's head that Bartlett, Kubel and Guerrier made the team out of ST.

Gardy has had way too much input in player personnel, an area he absolutely sucks in terms of player evaluation.

Since Gardy has had such carte blanche in roster selection and player personnel decisions, it would seem to make sense if we finally have a manager with the wherewithal to make player evaluations such as Molitor, to have at least as much input as Gardy had.

My preference......player personnel decisions should be up to the FO, the GM. They get the manager the team and players....the manager should get them in the best position to play. That means, don't try to change a player into someone they are not.


I feel the same way. There are too many personnel moves that were done which can be traced directly to Gardy because of assessments he stated explicitly. You highlighted a bunch in the first paragraph and those were some of the moves that helped to erode the talent within this franchise..

For the short term, we will now have Terry Ryan basically being the personnel czar pretty much overseeing all player evaluation. Frightening.

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