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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 2:26:34 PM   
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Augustus is still a really good player but the miles are starting to show on the tires. Her crossover opens up fade away jumpers instead of drives into the lane and her off the ball action has become more Ray Allen running to a point instead of to a cut. McCarville is crafty as hell but doesn’t look like she can hang with the more athletic young bigs anymore. The type of help defense this squad needed from their big with their awesome perimeter players isn’t coming from Janelle. Still, she’s just such a smart player and also plays with a f-you attitude. Plus, every now and then she just trucks someone on a pick.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:04:20 PM   
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I think these posts were a bit too negative coming after a tough loss. It was anybodies game with a couple seconds remaining in the third quarter.


And then they got absolutely steamrolled in the 4th.

They also got crushed in Game 1 and were looking dead in the water at half time in Game 2.

And what happened in game 2. We came back to win.

Yes then we got steamrolled in the fourth. Taurasi makes the ridiculous shot and it was over. We beat them the last two times in Minnesota and the previous time in Phoenix went down to the wire. I don't believe that we can't compete with Phoenix. You can go ahead and believe that if you choose to.

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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:08:12 PM   
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I think these posts were a bit too negative coming after a tough loss. It was anybodies game with a couple seconds remaining in the third quarter.


And then they got absolutely steamrolled in the 4th.

They also got crushed in Game 1 and were looking dead in the water at half time in Game 2.

Yes then they got steamrolled in the fourth. Taurasi makes the ridiculous shot and it was over. We beat them the last two times in Minnesota and the previous time in Phoenix went down to the wire. I don't believe that we can't compete with Phoenix. You can go ahead and believe that if you choose to.


The Taurasi shot didn't end it. Not even close. If a 5 point deficit after 3 is enough to break us, we didn't deserve to be there.

Phoenix turned it up and we couldn't match. We were playing catch-up and letting them dictate everything the whole series.

Unfortunately 4/5 of our starting line-up looks like age is starting to catch up to them. We're absolutely going to need massive improvement from our younger players.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:10:15 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:14:58 PM   
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The players themselves begged the fans to show up Sunday, because they'd need the support to keep their season going.
THEY knew which team was better. They knew they'd be down coming back home.
Very disappointing.

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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:19:26 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:25:57 PM   
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I think these posts were a bit too negative coming after a tough loss. It was anybodies game with a couple seconds remaining in the third quarter.


And then they got absolutely steamrolled in the 4th.

They also got crushed in Game 1 and were looking dead in the water at half time in Game 2.

And what happened in game 2. We came back to win.

Yes then we got steamrolled in the fourth. Taurasi makes the ridiculous shot and it was over. We beat them the last two times in Minnesota and the previous time in Phoenix went down to the wire. I don't believe that we can't compete with Phoenix. You can go ahead and believe that if you choose to.


Your kidding yourself if you don't see the shift in power. Griner this year was a whole different player than the rookie version of Griner, which is to say scary good even without the help of YMCA pick up game caliber refereeing. The Lynx have the older roster and are going to need some of the young inside players to step up or make a personnel adjustment in order to take the top spot back from Phoenix. You're in denial if you think standing pat is going to get us back ahead of Phoenix.

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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:30:06 PM   
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As much as she improved from year 1 to year 2, I think she has a bigger jump still coming.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:35:54 PM   
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But Diana just doesn't seem to be slowing down. She was a worthy MVP candidate this year. And other than the year they tanked for Griner, she doesn't get hurt.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:38:01 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:38:34 PM   
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I'll go back to my opinion a week ago.
The players themselves begged the fans to show up Sunday, because they'd need the support to keep their season going.
THEY knew which team was better. They knew they'd be down coming back home.
Very disappointing.


Yeah. As much as I hate the "P-word", that felt like a Pride Game...The 3 stars refusing to go out that way.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:41:14 PM   
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It was like "well, the real warrior played to the end"
Disappointing like I've said. I really thought our stars were "killers".
Nope.

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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:43:28 PM   
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The other 800 lb gorilla in the room is that other than the second half of game 2, Maya Moore was a non-factor. An MVP simply cannot allow that to happen.


Whalen was far and away our best player in the postseason.

I wonder if some of that is how many minutes she was forced to play this year. She had a lot of 40+ minute games, and because we weren't blowing teams out, not that many short minute ones.

Also, as great as Maya is - and she's arguably the best women's player today, she really needs to develop more of a scoring game when her shot isn't falling. I think she will. Her handle is noticeably improved, but she needs to keep figuring out how to be more of a scorer when being a shooter isn't working.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:45:28 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:49:58 PM   
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The Lynx were exposed as a flash in the pan when they were dethroned in the final game of their series. A night where Augustus looked - at best - mortal and a weak showing from the bench left the Lynx pining the end of their season - a bitter pill.

So ended 2012 v. Indiana.

The matchup of Lynx v. Mercury was perceived as the finals showdown of the 2014 season. The Lynx ended up on the short end - I would say it had a lot to do with having lost home court advantage as a result of injuries that forced some players to log too many minutes earlier in the season and prevented the players from having time to gel. Clearly the players are getting older, but I don't think this team is falling off the cliff.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/3/2014 4:59:29 PM   
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The king is dead. Long live the king!

The Lynx were exposed as a flash in the pan when they were dethroned in the final game of their series. A night where Augustus looked - at best - mortal and a weak showing from the bench left the Lynx pining the end of their season - a bitter pill.

So ended 2012 v. Indiana.

The matchup of Lynx v. Mercury was perceived as the finals showdown of the 2014 season. The Lynx ended up on the short end - I would say it had a lot to do with having lost home court advantage as a result of injuries that forced some players to log too many minutes earlier in the season and prevented the players from having time to gel. Clearly the players are getting older, but I don't think this team is falling off the cliff.


I think your account got hacked by ruffenach...
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 3:58:48 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 4:09:18 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 5:01:32 PM   
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The king is dead. Long live the king!

The Lynx were exposed as a flash in the pan when they were dethroned in the final game of their series. A night where Augustus looked - at best - mortal and a weak showing from the bench left the Lynx pining the end of their season - a bitter pill.

So ended 2012 v. Indiana.

The matchup of Lynx v. Mercury was perceived as the finals showdown of the 2014 season. The Lynx ended up on the short end - I would say it had a lot to do with having lost home court advantage as a result of injuries that forced some players to log too many minutes earlier in the season and prevented the players from having time to gel. Clearly the players are getting older, but I don't think this team is falling off the cliff.

Thanks David. This just like giving up by our supposed fans is troublesome to me. Yes realistically now Phoenix is the best team in the league. However, We are a freaking great team also and to act like there is now no hope to beat them I don't know what to say. People way overrate the most recent thing to happen. If we had our team all year we would have had home court and we would have been going after our third title in four years right now.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 8:23:51 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 8:57:43 PM   
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Who said anyone was giving up? And now we are "SUPPOSED FANS" because we can face the reality that the Lynx may need a re-tune? Not blow it up. Not rebuild. Re-tune.

Sorry but it sounded to me like we can't beat Phoenix they are just too good for us. I know you are a real fan but it just seemed pretty defeatist to me. If we can't beat them with what we got how can we re-tune? What assets do we have to change the team? I think we pretty much have to beat them with what we got.

edit: here is the comment that made it seem to me that you were throwing in the towel.

Your kidding yourself if you don't see the shift in power. Griner this year was a whole different player than the rookie version of Griner, which is to say scary good even without the help of YMCA pick up game caliber refereeing. The Lynx have the older roster and are going to need some of the young inside players to step up or make a personnel adjustment in order to take the top spot back from Phoenix. You're in denial if you think standing pat is going to get us back ahead of Phoenix.

If we can't beat them with what we got what can we possibly do to fix it? If McCarville is too old to handle Griner and nobody can really handle her then Dantas/Peters need to step up. Phoenix like us has some older very important players. They could slow down just like ours could. Griner and Moore are the players that will be the keys moving forward.

Even with Griner being this whole new player we beat them the last two times at home and in the final regular season game it came down to a last second shot. I think we can beat them with what we got.

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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 9:02:16 PM   
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 9:04:45 PM   
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Whose account did I hack and why?


It was a joke, Everyone has their own posting styles here - and that one read like you to me.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 9:07:41 PM   
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Whose account did I hack and why?


It was a joke, Everyone has their own posting styles here - and that one read like you to me.

I was thinking that he knew it was a joke and was joking back.
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RE: Minnesota Lynx - 9/7/2014 10:37:24 PM   
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