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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 8:24:31 AM

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I think Rubio becomes more tradable after this new money kicks in. Free agent salaries will go through the roof. Meanwhile Rubio's salary will look pretty reasonable in comparison.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 8:58:54 AM

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I agree...I think the trade market stunk for Rubio during the draft and we were low balled in Layden/Thibs 1st offers.....After FA starts teams will be willing to up the ante due to the dearth of FA PG. No sense selling low if that is what needs to be done.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 9:02:43 AM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 9:59:55 AM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

I think if Thibs could add Butler, he would have been willing to move Rubio to get the deal done. He also offered him to other clubs to put pressure on the Bulls. How much is this a real willingness to move Rubio and how much was it a head game to get back at the Bulls? Now that This has Dunn, he needs Rubio to mentor him and he gets him at a reasonable price.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 10:20:19 AM

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I think Rubio becomes more tradable after this new money kicks in. Free agent salaries will go through the roof. Meanwhile Rubio's salary will look pretty reasonable in comparison.

And it also makes him more attractive to the Wolves to stay.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 10:22:07 AM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

I think everyone is under the assumption that Thibs would be bringing in someone else to start with Dunn hopefully taking the role sooner rather than later.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 10:31:42 AM

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It would be nice to have the Butler and Rubio combo but not at the expense of any of the combo of Dunn/Wiggins/Lavine....

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 10:52:41 AM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

I think everyone is under the assumption that Thibs would be bringing in someone else to start with Dunn hopefully taking the role sooner rather than later.

I don't who are they going to bring in who can run the show for a playoff caliber team? They really have know idea how quickly Dunn can adjust to the NBA game. I believe Leyden and Thibs are both smart enough to know that if they aren't being offered value for Rubio there is no need to rush to move him.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:03:22 AM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:04:02 AM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

I think everyone is under the assumption that Thibs would be bringing in someone else to start with Dunn hopefully taking the role sooner rather than later.

I don't who are they going to bring in who can run the show for a playoff caliber team? They really have know idea how quickly Dunn can adjust to the NBA game. I believe Leyden and Thibs are both smart enough to know that if they aren't being offered value for Rubio there is no need to rush to move him.

My fear is Rondo.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:27:06 AM

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:46:14 AM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:47:08 AM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

That's my hope.

But the next week or so is going to be pretty tense.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:50:44 AM

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:51:32 AM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

I think everyone is under the assumption that Thibs would be bringing in someone else to start with Dunn hopefully taking the role sooner rather than later.

I don't who are they going to bring in who can run the show for a playoff caliber team? They really have know idea how quickly Dunn can adjust to the NBA game. I believe Leyden and Thibs are both smart enough to know that if they aren't being offered value for Rubio there is no need to rush to move him.

My fear is Rondo.

From what I heard Rondo was toxic in Dallas. Is he a FA or is Dallas trying to unload him?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:53:58 AM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

I was thinking more like Chalmers, Conley, Augustin, Foye, and even Lin over Rondo...

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 11:55:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

That's my hope.

But the next week or so is going to be pretty tense.

The thing that puzzles me is that Rubio seems like he would be a Thibs PG. Elite defender at the position, phenominal court vision and high BBIQ. If he is hell bent on moving him, he damn well better get a good return.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 12:14:00 PM

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I heard SP Sports Guy again yesterday and he basically thought the plan would be to go into the season with Rubio as the starting PG. They have playoff ambitions and that is a pretty heavy burden to put on a rookie PG. Plus as much as they like him, they really don't know what level he will perform in the NBA.

I think everyone is under the assumption that Thibs would be bringing in someone else to start with Dunn hopefully taking the role sooner rather than later.

I don't who are they going to bring in who can run the show for a playoff caliber team? They really have know idea how quickly Dunn can adjust to the NBA game. I believe Leyden and Thibs are both smart enough to know that if they aren't being offered value for Rubio there is no need to rush to move him.

My fear is Rondo.

From what I heard Rondo was toxic in Dallas. Is he a FA or is Dallas trying to unload him?

He signed a 1-year deal with the Kings last offseason.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 12:19:32 PM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

I was thinking more like Chalmers, Conley, Augustin, Foye, and even Lin over Rondo...

Chalmers: May not even be ready to play at the start of the year. Ruptured his Achilles 3 months ago.

Conley: We're not giving a 4-year Max contract to a guy we hope will start for a year or less.

Augustin and Foye are fine back-ups, but if we're thinking playoffs, you need better.

Lin: He might make more than Rubio this year. And I don't think he's what Thibs is looking for.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 12:58:45 PM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

I heard AP sports guy on KFAN say basically the same thing. Flip wasn't a huge Rubio guy in the beginning either. Remember getting Rubio was Kahn's big project, not Flip's. Flip inherited Rubio.

But Rubio grew on Saunders after being exposed to the defense and work ethic, and basketball IQ on a daily basis. Maybe Rubio will grow on Thibs too.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 1:48:00 PM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

I heard AP sports guy on KFAN say basically the same thing. Flip wasn't a huge Rubio guy in the beginning either. Remember getting Rubio was Kahn's big project, not Flip's. Flip inherited Rubio.

But Rubio grew on Saunders after being exposed to the defense and work ethic, and basketball IQ on a daily basis. Maybe Rubio will grow on Thibs too.

I hope he realizes, even if he's married to Dunn, that he's not going to find a better PG (on a better contract) to start while he hopes Dunn grows into the position.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:02:12 PM

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Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

I was thinking more like Chalmers, Conley, Augustin, Foye, and even Lin over Rondo...

Chalmers: May not even be ready to play at the start of the year. Ruptured his Achilles 3 months ago.

Conley: We're not giving a 4-year Max contract to a guy we hope will start for a year or less.

Augustin and Foye are fine back-ups, but if we're thinking playoffs, you need better.

Lin: He might make more than Rubio this year. And I don't think he's what Thibs is looking for.

I don't think any of them are better than Rubio---I am talking about better than Rondo. All of them have warts....Conley/Chalmers--Bad Health and Augustin and Foye are basically career backups but I would rather have them than Rondo.

Doesn't the serious money kick in next year....so if something weird happened with Rubio....any of them might just want a 1 year contract?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:18:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Rubio trade talk on the FA Vertical podcast with Woj and Mannix:

More or less Woj says that they’ve been shopping him before they got Dunn, he might be on the roster on opening night, but probably on trade deadline or next summer he’s gone. He says that Rubio wanted to stay because he loves the place and the support he receives but it seems like that won’t happen.

This still makes no sense to me. I can't help but think that once Thibideau actually starts working with Rubio and sees first hand how high his BBIQ, defensive ability, and work ethic all are, that he won't want to let him go.

I was thinking more like Chalmers, Conley, Augustin, Foye, and even Lin over Rondo...

Chalmers: May not even be ready to play at the start of the year. Ruptured his Achilles 3 months ago.

Conley: We're not giving a 4-year Max contract to a guy we hope will start for a year or less.

Augustin and Foye are fine back-ups, but if we're thinking playoffs, you need better.

Lin: He might make more than Rubio this year. And I don't think he's what Thibs is looking for.

I don't think any of them are better than Rubio---I am talking about better than Rondo. All of them have warts....Conley/Chalmers--Bad Health and Augustin and Foye are basically career backups but I would rather have them than Rondo.

Doesn't the serious money kick in next year....so if something weird happened with Rubio....any of them might just want a 1 year contract?

I'd guess Thibs would rather have Rondo. He absolutely adored him in Boston and he's basically an older version of Dunn.

And no, the serious money kicks in in 4 days.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:22:54 PM

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Rondo is a special player, but he needs a special coach. He'll play for Thibs.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:23:22 PM

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I know this stuff.

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