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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:27:23 PM   
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Rumors flying that Rondo may want to go to the Nets as a FA to stick it to Boston....who can swap picks with New Jersey in 2017.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:30:16 PM   
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Rondo is a special player, but he needs a special coach. He'll play for Thibs.


What he needs is his old knees back. He's a shadow of the player he once was - especially on defense.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:32:28 PM   
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Rumors flying that Rondo may want to go to the Nets as a FA to stick it to Boston....who can swap picks with New Jersey in 2017.


Like how he led the Kings to the lottery last year?
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:54:30 PM   
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Rondo is a special player, but he needs a special coach. He'll play for Thibs.


What he needs is his old knees back. He's a shadow of the player he once was - especially on defense.

Doesn't seem like he's been around that long, but I guess he has some mileage.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 2:56:27 PM   
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For the Kings Rondo avg

11.9 pts
11.7 ast
6 reb
2 stl
3.9 TO

I highly doubt he is anywhere near as good as Rubio on defense. Esp at only 6'1"

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 3:09:59 PM   
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Rondo is a special player, but he needs a special coach. He'll play for Thibs.


What he needs is his old knees back. He's a shadow of the player he once was - especially on defense.

Doesn't seem like he's been around that long, but I guess he has some mileage.


Lots of injuries have sapped him of his quickness/explosiveness.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 3:44:56 PM   
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Rumors flying that Rondo may want to go to the Nets as a FA to stick it to Boston....who can swap picks with New Jersey in 2017.


Like how he led the Kings to the lottery last year?


I doubt he could lead a blood hound to a t-bone at this point.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 3:46:10 PM   
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For the Kings Rondo avg

11.9 pts
11.7 ast
6 reb
2 stl
3.9 TO

I highly doubt he is anywhere near as good as Rubio on defense. Esp at only 6'1"


That's a very good rate of assists. Is that number correct? Rubio averaged 8.6.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 3:56:14 PM   
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For the Kings Rondo avg

11.9 pts
11.7 ast
6 reb
2 stl
3.9 TO

I highly doubt he is anywhere near as good as Rubio on defense. Esp at only 6'1"


That's a very good rate of assists. Is that number correct? Rubio averaged 8.6.


Numbers lie.

Kings played at the fastest pace in the league last year and Wolves were 20th. Rondo also played 5 more mpg. Even with the pace issue favoring Rondo by so much, they were less than 2 assists apart per36.

Rondo also has a reputation as a "stat-padder" in regards to assists. He'll frequently pass up open layups to get the ball to a guy with a much worse chance of converting. He also gets left in at the end of blowouts a lot more than most star players. Its not uncommon for him to pick up 4 or 5 assists in the last few minutes of garbage time.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 4:01:50 PM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 4:06:35 PM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry


Probably. Rick Carlisle is one of the 3 best coaches in the league and he couldn't wait to get rid of him.

*Maybe* he respects Thibs enough to stay in line. And *Maybe* if KG is here he'd listen to him (although I'm starting to think its likely KG isn't at all involved with the Wolves this season at any level).
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 4:15:52 PM   
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Maybe Thibs figures he can grab a guy like Aaron Brooks off the scrap heap to start until Dunn is ready. Who knows. For me, it just doesn't make sense for the Wolves to close the book on Ricky, especially before the current regime has worked with him for 20 games.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 4:16:19 PM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry


Probably. Rick Carlisle is one of the 3 best coaches in the league and he couldn't wait to get rid of him.

*Maybe* he respects Thibs enough to stay in line. And *Maybe* if KG is here he'd listen to him (although I'm starting to think its likely KG isn't at all involved with the Wolves this season at any level).

I agree, seems like a huge risk. I'll trust Thib's judgment, but upon further review it doesn't seem like a good fit. I'll support anything Thibs does as long as he keeps the big 3 together. If he trades Lavine I'll lose my mind. I hold him in higher regard than Wiggins.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 7:16:21 PM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry


Probably. Rick Carlisle is one of the 3 best coaches in the league and he couldn't wait to get rid of him.

*Maybe* he respects Thibs enough to stay in line. And *Maybe* if KG is here he'd listen to him (although I'm starting to think its likely KG isn't at all involved with the Wolves this season at any level).


I'm not seeing a role for Garnett under Thibs. Starting and playing 12 minutes, for about 25 games until various nagging injuries bench him for the rest of the year? Nah. It was fine last year when we were trying to set a tone and show these guys about being pros. But that time is gone.

KG has had a good run. Time to hang it up. What's his contract status though?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/28/2016 7:32:45 PM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry


Probably. Rick Carlisle is one of the 3 best coaches in the league and he couldn't wait to get rid of him.

*Maybe* he respects Thibs enough to stay in line. And *Maybe* if KG is here he'd listen to him (although I'm starting to think its likely KG isn't at all involved with the Wolves this season at any level).


I'm not seeing a role for Garnett under Thibs. Starting and playing 12 minutes, for about 25 games until various nagging injuries bench him for the rest of the year? Nah. It was fine last year when we were trying to set a tone and show these guys about being pros. But that time is gone.

KG has had a good run. Time to hang it up. What's his contract status though?


8M guaranteed for this year. But if he retires, then its 0.

He also might take significant less on a buy out to go to a different team.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 5:39:11 AM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry


Probably. Rick Carlisle is one of the 3 best coaches in the league and he couldn't wait to get rid of him.

*Maybe* he respects Thibs enough to stay in line. And *Maybe* if KG is here he'd listen to him (although I'm starting to think its likely KG isn't at all involved with the Wolves this season at any level).

I agree, seems like a huge risk. I'll trust Thib's judgment, but upon further review it doesn't seem like a good fit. I'll support anything Thibs does as long as he keeps the big 3 together. If he trades Lavine I'll lose my mind. I hold him in higher regard than Wiggins.


That could change with Thibs...I like both Lavine/Wiggins working with Thibs.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 8:25:36 AM   
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He'd also probably wreck our good locker room chemistry


Probably. Rick Carlisle is one of the 3 best coaches in the league and he couldn't wait to get rid of him.

*Maybe* he respects Thibs enough to stay in line. And *Maybe* if KG is here he'd listen to him (although I'm starting to think its likely KG isn't at all involved with the Wolves this season at any level).


I'm not seeing a role for Garnett under Thibs. Starting and playing 12 minutes, for about 25 games until various nagging injuries bench him for the rest of the year? Nah. It was fine last year when we were trying to set a tone and show these guys about being pros. But that time is gone.

KG has had a good run. Time to hang it up. What's his contract status though?


8M guaranteed for this year. But if he retires, then its 0.

He also might take significant less on a buy out to go to a different team.


He might want to stick around under Thibs. How did they get along in Boston? It would be a a fitting finish for him. End up with the team he started with, but with part of the regime that he won a championship with, in a year where if everything goes right, we could have a legitimate shot of getting back to the playoffs.

I just don't think his body is up to it any more though.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 9:24:49 AM   
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For the Kings Rondo avg

11.9 pts
11.7 ast
6 reb
2 stl
3.9 TO

I highly doubt he is anywhere near as good as Rubio on defense. Esp at only 6'1"


That's a very good rate of assists. Is that number correct? Rubio averaged 8.6.


Numbers lie.

Kings played at the fastest pace in the league last year and Wolves were 20th. Rondo also played 5 more mpg. Even with the pace issue favoring Rondo by so much, they were less than 2 assists apart per36.

Rondo also has a reputation as a "stat-padder" in regards to assists. He'll frequently pass up open layups to get the ball to a guy with a much worse chance of converting. He also gets left in at the end of blowouts a lot more than most star players. Its not uncommon for him to pick up 4 or 5 assists in the last few minutes of garbage time.


Thanks, David. I really appreciate your insight. It seems to me that Rubio's strength is how he can see the floor and his eager distribution to others to those who are in position to score. It looks like to me that Rubios scoring stats last year are very comparable to Rondos and I think that that would surprise a lot of people.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 9:27:19 AM   
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If the Wolves are serious about being in the playoffs, I think it's time for KG to call it a career. That's what I think He represents the past, not the future and I think that "mentoring" of an older player is way overrated. That's the job of the coaches.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 9:38:17 AM   
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He might want to stick around under Thibs. How did they get along in Boston? It would be a a fitting finish for him. End up with the team he started with, but with part of the regime that he won a championship with, in a year where if everything goes right, we could have a legitimate shot of getting back to the playoffs.

I just don't think his body is up to it any more though.


He and Thibs apparently had a falling out some time after he left Boston. The two haven't spoken since we hired Thibs.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 10:16:32 AM   
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He might want to stick around under Thibs. How did they get along in Boston? It would be a a fitting finish for him. End up with the team he started with, but with part of the regime that he won a championship with, in a year where if everything goes right, we could have a legitimate shot of getting back to the playoffs.

I just don't think his body is up to it any more though.


He and Thibs apparently had a falling out some time after he left Boston. The two haven't spoken since we hired Thibs.

That's a shame. KG is the face of this franchise. I would live him being a coach.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 10:30:21 AM   
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If the Wolves are serious about being in the playoffs, I think it's time for KG to call it a career. That's what I think He represents the past, not the future and I think that "mentoring" of an older player is way overrated. That's the job of the coaches.

I think players react differently when the same thing is said by a coach and when it is said by a peer. KG has a significant value IMHO. The Wolves brass seem to be moving very slowly on everything. I am more concerned by the lack of speed by which they are filling the front office, scouting and coaching staff, then if Thibs is speaking to KG. Both guys should be mature enough to handle the communication issues and their differences. If Thibs disagrees with my assessment, then pick up the phone and call KG and thank for his years of play, but state that the Wolves need to go in another direction. I am more concerned about the inability of these men to assemble a staff to assist them in a quick and efficient manner, end the family feud with the bulls brass, evaluate peoples on their abilities and not on you hurt feelings, be decisive, be bold and lay out a vision and a foundation. Flip laid a foundation and had a vision of this team and it was more than just his personal feelings. I believe this team needs a front office and coaching staff that is willing to build on that rather then develop their own personal Fiefdom and rather than becoming the Bulls II..
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 11:12:07 AM   
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He might want to stick around under Thibs. How did they get along in Boston? It would be a a fitting finish for him. End up with the team he started with, but with part of the regime that he won a championship with, in a year where if everything goes right, we could have a legitimate shot of getting back to the playoffs.

I just don't think his body is up to it any more though.


He and Thibs apparently had a falling out some time after he left Boston. The two haven't spoken since we hired Thibs.

That's a shame. KG is the face of this franchise. I would live him being a coach.


I don't think he has any interest in being a coach if I recall correctly.

I thought the rumor was they were going to work out some sort of minority ownership deal with him and the Wolves once he was done.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 11:18:09 AM   
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His exact quote, as I recall, was:

"HELL NAW."

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 6/29/2016 11:20:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

He might want to stick around under Thibs. How did they get along in Boston? It would be a a fitting finish for him. End up with the team he started with, but with part of the regime that he won a championship with, in a year where if everything goes right, we could have a legitimate shot of getting back to the playoffs.

I just don't think his body is up to it any more though.


He and Thibs apparently had a falling out some time after he left Boston. The two haven't spoken since we hired Thibs.

That's a shame. KG is the face of this franchise. I would live him being a coach.


I don't think he has any interest in being a coach if I recall correctly.

I thought the rumor was they were going to work out some sort of minority ownership deal with him and the Wolves once he was done.


I think he'd be a terrible coach - and I think he knows it too. Much too volatile.

My guess is the ownership thing is much less likely to happen without Flip.
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