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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:45:16 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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Liking the potential of L.A.

- Russell
- Clarkson
- Randle/Nance
- Simmons or Ingram

$60 million in cap.

Good young prospect as head coach.

Lessons learned about what FAs to target and how to market to them.

Kobe gone so maybe more attractive destination.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:47:25 PM   
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We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:50:28 PM   
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We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.


I don't disagree David. I'm almost at this point assuming Deng signs with us.... I know I shouldn't.

And I know Wiggins can be our backup SG but we have only Lavine and Wiggins.... we have nobody else.

I like all of Murray, Dunn, and Heid in that order. IMO Dunn can be a GREAT combo guard.

We aren't getting a superstar unless the stars align.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:52:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Liking the potential of L.A.

- Russell
- Clarkson
- Randle/Nance
- Simmons or Ingram

$60 million in cap.

Good young prospect as head coach.

Lessons learned about what FAs to target and how to market to them.

Kobe gone so maybe more attractive destination.


Hey Bill, I think it's almost a guarantee the Sixer go with Ingram. They already have too many bigs with the same skillset as Simmons..... or I should say.... play the same role.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:55:15 PM   
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The way the draft fell it's going to be very interesting.

IMO, we will see at least 1 trade within the top 4...... maybe more including the top 5.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:56:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Liking the potential of L.A.

- Russell
- Clarkson
- Randle/Nance
- Simmons or Ingram

$60 million in cap.

Good young prospect as head coach.

Lessons learned about what FAs to target and how to market to them.

Kobe gone so maybe more attractive destination.


Hey Bill, I think it's almost a guarantee the Sixer go with Ingram. They already have too many bigs with the same skillset as Simmons..... or I should say.... play the same role.


The only reason I could see them taking Simmons is they have no playmakers on that team (at any position), and that's Simmons biggest strength. You can totally run your offense through him.

And they likely have Dario Saric coming over this year, who is more in the mold of Ingram.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:56:25 PM   
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Based on the results.... none of the top 4 teams is looking for backcourt help.

1. Sixers - No need to comment
2. Lakers - selected Russel last year and has Clarkson
3. Celtics - They have more than enough PG/SG
4. Suns - No need to comment
5. Wolves - It's an almost guarantee that Bender will go in the top 4 and one of Murray, Hield, or Dunn will be available.

IMO this is good. ya, we need an elite starting PF but we weren't going to find it in this draft anyway. What we need is a backcourt player who can swing between SG-PG or just shoot the ball.

If Murray is there you take him!!!!!

Good Analysis Shakey. Of course trades can be made. Simmons and Ingram will go before us for sure. However I'm not convinced Bender will go before us. Dunn, Hield, Murray, Bender or Trade the pick. I really have this narrowed down LOL.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:58:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.


I don't disagree David. I'm almost at this point assuming Deng signs with us.... I know I shouldn't.

And I know Wiggins can be our backup SG but we have only Lavine and Wiggins.... we have nobody else.

I like all of Murray, Dunn, and Heid in that order. IMO Dunn can be a GREAT combo guard.

We aren't getting a superstar unless the stars align.


Dunn scares me. I love that he can defend either guard position, but his shooting is not good. And at point, he's got a loose handle and a propensity for turnovers. If he was 19 instead of 22, I'd feel a bit better about his lack of skill.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 7:59:51 PM   
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The way the draft fell it's going to be very interesting.

IMO, we will see at least 1 trade within the top 4...... maybe more including the top 5.


I think the only guarantees are that Simmons, Ingram and Bender are gone by our pick. I can't imagine Phoenix passing on Bender if he makes it to 4. He's a great fit there.

I also think Boston trades the #3 pick. They're in "win now" mode.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:00:20 PM   
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Based on the results.... none of the top 4 teams is looking for backcourt help.

1. Sixers - No need to comment
2. Lakers - selected Russel last year and has Clarkson
3. Celtics - They have more than enough PG/SG
4. Suns - No need to comment
5. Wolves - It's an almost guarantee that Bender will go in the top 4 and one of Murray, Hield, or Dunn will be available.

IMO this is good. ya, we need an elite starting PF but we weren't going to find it in this draft anyway. What we need is a backcourt player who can swing between SG-PG or just shoot the ball.

If Murray is there you take him!!!!!

Good Analysis Shakey. Of course trades can be made. Simmons and Ingram will go before us for sure. However I'm not convinced Bender will go before us. Dunn, Hield, Murray, Bender or Trade the pick. I really have this narrowed down LOL.


That analysis was based on teams keeping their pick. I fully expect trades to occur.

If one of the Celtics/Suns don't take Bender and if someone (A Big) doesn't fly up the boards I see a trade from at least one of them.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:02:55 PM   
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We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.


I don't disagree David. I'm almost at this point assuming Deng signs with us.... I know I shouldn't.

And I know Wiggins can be our backup SG but we have only Lavine and Wiggins.... we have nobody else.

I like all of Murray, Dunn, and Heid in that order. IMO Dunn can be a GREAT combo guard.

We aren't getting a superstar unless the stars align.


Dunn scares me. I love that he can defend either guard position, but his shooting is not good. And at point, he's got a loose handle and a propensity for turnovers. If he was 19 instead of 22, I'd feel a bit better about his lack of skill.



At 22, for a perimeter player, what you see is pretty much what you get. I'd rather take a flyer on a 19 year old.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:03:16 PM   
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The way the draft fell it's going to be very interesting.

IMO, we will see at least 1 trade within the top 4...... maybe more including the top 5.


I think the only guarantees are that Simmons, Ingram and Bender are gone by our pick. I can't imagine Phoenix passing on Bender if he makes it to 4. He's a great fit there.

I also think Boston trades the #3 pick. They're in "win now" mode.


Agreed, those 3 will be gone.... and I was quietly thinking about Bender's potential.

So that still leaves us with 2 of Murray, Dunn or Heid available.


Then again, it's early...... someone or more than one always climbs up the board.

I think we're in a good position.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:04:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.


I don't disagree David. I'm almost at this point assuming Deng signs with us.... I know I shouldn't.

And I know Wiggins can be our backup SG but we have only Lavine and Wiggins.... we have nobody else.

I like all of Murray, Dunn, and Heid in that order. IMO Dunn can be a GREAT combo guard.

We aren't getting a superstar unless the stars align.


Dunn scares me. I love that he can defend either guard position, but his shooting is not good. And at point, he's got a loose handle and a propensity for turnovers. If he was 19 instead of 22, I'd feel a bit better about his lack of skill.



At 22, for a perimeter player, what you see is pretty much what you get. I'd rather take a flyer on a 19 year old.


I'd be shocked if Murray was there at #5. If so, we hold out for a kings ranson or he's our pick..... IMO.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:04:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.


I don't disagree David. I'm almost at this point assuming Deng signs with us.... I know I shouldn't.

And I know Wiggins can be our backup SG but we have only Lavine and Wiggins.... we have nobody else.

I like all of Murray, Dunn, and Heid in that order. IMO Dunn can be a GREAT combo guard.

We aren't getting a superstar unless the stars align.


Dunn scares me. I love that he can defend either guard position, but his shooting is not good. And at point, he's got a loose handle and a propensity for turnovers. If he was 19 instead of 22, I'd feel a bit better about his lack of skill.



At 22, for a perimeter player, what you see is pretty much what you get. I'd rather take a flyer on a 19 year old.


Age is the reason I'd probably take Murray over Dunn. He could potentially be a CJ McCollom type, and that would be a nice bench piece for us.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:11:18 PM   
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If Boston takes one of the Guards I think it's almost a guarantee they're letting Turner go.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:12:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

We have NOBODY at backup SG. Our bench was horrible last season and cost us numerous games. Our biggest need IMO is at SG.


Andrew Wiggins is (and should be) our back-up SG. Being able to guard SGs at 6'8, he should play every SG minute that Zach isn't in the game.

We really need to sign Luol Deng as he fills our 2 biggest needs:

1. A big, rugged SF to play against guys who overwhelm Drew.
2. A smallball PF that can guard all the stretch 4s that Dieng can't.


I don't disagree David. I'm almost at this point assuming Deng signs with us.... I know I shouldn't.

And I know Wiggins can be our backup SG but we have only Lavine and Wiggins.... we have nobody else.

I like all of Murray, Dunn, and Heid in that order. IMO Dunn can be a GREAT combo guard.

We aren't getting a superstar unless the stars align.


Dunn scares me. I love that he can defend either guard position, but his shooting is not good. And at point, he's got a loose handle and a propensity for turnovers. If he was 19 instead of 22, I'd feel a bit better about his lack of skill.



At 22, for a perimeter player, what you see is pretty much what you get. I'd rather take a flyer on a 19 year old.


Age is the reason I'd probably take Murray over Dunn. He could potentially be a CJ McCollom type, and that would be a nice bench piece for us.


Agreed, and I'd be ok with either.

Lets see what Thibs can do trade-wise.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:14:06 PM   
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The Cavs are showing how important 3-pt shooting is AGAIN.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:17:32 PM   
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I'm just glad we didn't drop. Got a little excited when it got to our pick and nobody had moved up. But I'm ok with #5.

It's a chip in the game. Hopefully we make the most of it.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:26:56 PM   
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Liking the potential of L.A.

- Russell
- Clarkson
- Randle/Nance
- Simmons or Ingram

$60 million in cap.

Good young prospect as head coach.

Lessons learned about what FAs to target and how to market to them.

Kobe gone so maybe more attractive destination.


Hey Bill, I think it's almost a guarantee the Sixer go with Ingram. They already have too many bigs with the same skillset as Simmons..... or I should say.... play the same role.



Could be. In which case LA could explore trading Julius Randle.

Back in the day LA had the #1 overall and debated between James Worthy and Terry Cummings. They liked the versatility of Worthy. Maybe they covet Simmons and he falls to them.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 5/17/2016 8:29:12 PM >
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:30:09 PM   
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Not too excited, but glad they kept the pick.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:32:19 PM   
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Wishful thinking we could move up.

Simmons would have been a descent guy at the 4 for us.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 8:46:57 PM   
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I wouldn't be crushed if we took this guy:

Deyonta Davis NBA Draft Scouting Report
May 3, 2016
Scouting Report by Jonathan Givony.

A late bloomer physically, Deyonta Davis worked his way into McDonald's All-American status by the end of his high school career, but was considered far from a one and done type recruit upon arriving in East Lansing.

Playing behind a senior who would go on to win Big Ten All-Conference Third Team honors in Matt Costello, few projected Deyonta Davis breaking out and establishing himself as one of the most interesting young big men prospects in college basketball already as a freshman.

That's exactly what he did, though, putting up stellar per-minute offensive rebounding (4.6 per-40) and shot-blocking (4.1 per-40) numbers, while playing an efficient offensive role (16.5 points per-40, 61% TS%) and demonstrating huge room for growth in a variety of areas.

The intrigue around Davis starts with his tremendous physical profile, which is simply ideal for a modern day NBA big man. He stands 6'10 with a 7'2 wingspan and a big standing reach, to go along with an excellent 240 pound frame that will continue to fill out nicely in time. Davis is also a terrific athlete, smooth, agile and highly fluid, running the floor exceptionally well, with great quickness and the ability to elevate effortlessly around the rim in the blink of an eye.

Offensively, Davis was far from a prolific scorer for Michigan State, lacking the strength to assert himself consistently inside the post, but also an advanced skill-level outside of it. He does not possess a sophisticated post game, as his footwork and countermoves are rudimentary, particularly utilizing his left hand, and he often looks rushed trying to create his own offense.

With that said, Davis found ways to be effective in a very compact role throughout the season, showing just enough glimpses to lead you to believe that he won't be just a non-scoring, defensive oriented, hustle guy down the track. His excellent hands, soft touch and tremendous physical tools make him an extremely reliable finisher. He catches everything thrown his way, and is so quick off his feet that he's very difficult for opposing big men to contest, making him an outstanding target off cuts and pick and rolls, and also a reliable option for lobs. His reach and effortless bounce allows him to finish plays almost without jumping, and he has just enough of a right-handed jump-hook that he can throw the ball in the basket inside the paint from interesting vantage points.

Davis' touch, and solid shooting mechanics, lead you to believe that he may be able to develop the range on his jumper as his career progresses as well. That will be important, as otherwise he may be relegated to a role as strictly an undersized rim-running center in today's NBA.

The best attributes Davis offers at this point likely revolve around his defense. He's quick and agile enough to stay in front of pretty much any power forward, and should be able to add enough bulk to his excellent frame to hold his own as a small-ball center in time. He has great potential as a pick and roll defender, already showing terrific flashes stepping out and switching onto guards and wings, covering ground and moving his feet with excellent lateral quickness, and being difficult to shoot over with the way he contests looks on the perimeter. He blocks an impressive 4.1 shots per-40 minutes this season as well, many on the ball, while showing the ability to develop into an excellent rim-protector in time.

Davis also rebounded very effectively as a freshman, more so offensively than defensively, but nevertheless showed impressive flashes on both ends that could lead to even better results as he continues to add bulk to his excellent frame. He is quick to the ball, and has great hands, often going out of his area and getting off his feet before other big men can react. While his intensity level was inconsistent at times in other areas, he rebounded with great purpose throughout the year, which should give him an immediate role early on in his career when combined with ability to contribute defensively.

Analytics models might not like the fact that he posted just nine steals in 650 minutes of action, but it's important to note that Michigan State forced one of the lowest rates of turnovers of any team in college basketball, something that has been a consistent trend for Tom Izzo teams.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 9:01:46 PM   
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So we stay at 5.

LA keeps their pick.


It's a crappy draft but we have a good history with #5 picks so I am optimistic. Would rather trade it though if we can get a decent vet. We don't really need any more young guys.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 9:36:20 PM   
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Hield for offense.
Dunn for defense.
Murray I like best.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 9:41:24 PM   
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I think I'm going with Davis as my guy if we keep the pick.
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