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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/1/2016 9:38:06 PM   
David Levine


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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 1:03:24 AM   
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I don't think he's being traded.
They drafted BPA who also can spell two guard positions and provide depth.
Rubio's not going anywhere, none of them are at least for this season.


There's no way Dunn, the #5 pick and the first point guard taken was drafted simply for depth. Let's get that out of the way right now.

But I believe what's going on is, as I've said, they want to deal Rubio but they're going to be patient and only do it if and when the right deal comes along. That could be this summer, it could be next year at the trading deadline, it could be next off-season.

And in the meantime they will co-exist, out of necessity not out of grand master plan. Thibs has said they both could play together occasionally and I believe they could. This isn't like David Kahn pretending to know basketball and saying Jonny Flynn and Rubio can play together. But in today's game there are certain times and situations where it's not so much who plays the '1' and and who plays the '2', it's just having two ball handling distributing guards.

The other thing it does if they do both stay around this year is it allows you to hedge your bet on Dunn and see how he plays out and how good he's going to be. If he flops then you still have Rubio around.

We already have solid starters at every position IMO. Dunn certainly could have been drafted for depth. He probably wasn't but he could been.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 5:42:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dunn was drafted because he was the best player available. It has been reported that Thibs had him as the best player in this draft. I believe that more than I believe a lot of other rumors. Rubio has never been a media favorite. There has been rumors in the media that the Wolves have been trying to trade Rubio since the day he was drafted. Now with the Wolves drafting Dunn, the media will double down. They believe that they are infallible and nobody could disagree with them. All they do is provide entertainment and enjoy creating controversy.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 8:23:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like Bazemore signed a big deal with the Hawks after turning down bigger deals from the Lakes and Mavs. David should be much relieved. Wolves are not just throwing money at marginal stars, praying that they can lead them to the prize. Just reshuffling chair on the titanic.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 8:55:41 AM   
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Looks like Bazemore signed a big deal with the Hawks after turning down bigger deals from the Lakes and Mavs. David should be much relieved. Wolves are not just throwing money at marginal stars, praying that they can lead them to the prize. Just reshuffling chair on the titanic.


I think paying marginal players big money is something we all are going to have to get use to.

I also haven't seen any evidence of the Wolves throwing big money at anybody as of yet.
Appears they are being very prudent and backing out of the bidding when it gets too high.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 1:01:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Wolves have to decide how well Bazz and Deing fit into the teams long term future. And to so, what price? It is better to over pay your own players and someone you know then to over pay subs on another team. The teams that will do the best long term are the teams who can best manage their cap. If you over pay for another teams subs, you are going to create a lot of bad will on your team when you are unable to do the same for your loyal players.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 1:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		4 years, 72 million dollars for Dieng to sign with the Lakers is sticker shock. Good to see that Thibs did not get into this re-union too deep. Bests moves are the ones you did not make. We need minutes for Zach and see how much Dunn can handle a a shooting guard on the NBA level. See how much of a game Jones can develop too. Just say no to insanity.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 1:10:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agree. But we still need a few better bench players. I hate not landing Deng because he would just move some players down the totem pole strengthening the bench.

I wonder if we will buy out Pek or KG?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 1:16:14 PM   
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 1:49:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		So can anyone help do some analysis on the Lakers signings? I'm ok with 4/50 to reup Clarkson. But then they signed a stiff for 4/55, some guy named Mazgov or whatever. Then Deng for 4/72.

I know they have cap room but did they blow it? How is Deng? Is he a PF? Anything on the Russian stiff?
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 2:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are unconfirmed reports Mozgov's year 4 is a team option, and year 3 is only partially guaranteed. Still. Guess they have to rebuild in layers.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 2:15:29 PM   
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So can anyone help do some analysis on the Lakers signings? I'm ok with 4/50 to reup Clarkson. But then they signed a stiff for 4/55, some guy named Mazgov or whatever. Then Deng for 4/72.

I know they have cap room but did they blow it? How is Deng? Is he a PF? Anything on the Russian stiff?


Deng is great. Can be a big SF or a small PF. Decent scorer, decent shooter, good defender. 4 years may be a bit much.

Mozgov is a decent role player. Big body, some skills.

LA has a ton of solid role players, not sure they have any stars.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 2:58:59 PM   
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So can anyone help do some analysis on the Lakers signings? I'm ok with 4/50 to reup Clarkson. But then they signed a stiff for 4/55, some guy named Mazgov or whatever. Then Deng for 4/72.

I know they have cap room but did they blow it? How is Deng? Is he a PF? Anything on the Russian stiff?


Deng is great. Can be a big SF or a small PF. Decent scorer, decent shooter, good defender. 4 years may be a bit much.

Mongol is a decent role player. Big body, some skills.

LA has a ton of solid role players, not sure they have any stars.



Thanks. I guess they have to wait for the young core (DeAngelo, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle) to grow and in the meantime sign some role players. I think Nance Jr is a sleeper.

Just another team at this point.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 3:27:12 PM   
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 7:34:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		• The Celtics have won the Al Horford sweepstakes, agreeing to a four-year, $113 million deal with the center. While the Hawks made a late push, and Horford dropped his demand of a full five-year max deal, the two sides were ultimately $6 million apart. At one point, Horford even preferred the Wizards. (Adrian Wojnarowski, The Vertical)

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 7:36:10 PM   
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 8:10:26 PM   
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 8:14:07 PM   
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Hmm. The rich get richer. I'm going to hate the Celtics, now.

Even more.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/2/2016 8:14:17 PM   
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Hmm. The rich get richer. I'm going to hate the Celtics, now.


Because they signed Horford?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/3/2016 6:45:32 AM   
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/3/2016 7:11:15 AM   
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Well, it looks like Horford and Durant.

Yes, at least that is what his agent is pushing for. They are still going to visit with the Heat, but i don't think that the Heat have enough men for Durant to go there.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/3/2016 8:52:12 AM   
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/3/2016 10:19:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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So can anyone help do some analysis on the Lakers signings? I'm ok with 4/50 to reup Clarkson. But then they signed a stiff for 4/55, some guy named Mazgov or whatever. Then Deng for 4/72.

I know they have cap room but did they blow it? How is Deng? Is he a PF? Anything on the Russian stiff?


Deng is great. Can be a big SF or a small PF. Decent scorer, decent shooter, good defender. 4 years may be a bit much.

Mongol is a decent role player. Big body, some skills.

LA has a ton of solid role players, not sure they have any stars.



Thanks. I guess they have to wait for the young core (DeAngelo, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle) to grow and in the meantime sign some role players. I think Nance Jr is a sleeper.

Just another team at this point.

Need another defender(Byombo, Ezeli) to get to respectability(30-35 wins) imo.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/3/2016 11:18:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So can anyone help do some analysis on the Lakers signings? I'm ok with 4/50 to reup Clarkson. But then they signed a stiff for 4/55, some guy named Mazgov or whatever. Then Deng for 4/72.

I know they have cap room but did they blow it? How is Deng? Is he a PF? Anything on the Russian stiff?


Deng is great. Can be a big SF or a small PF. Decent scorer, decent shooter, good defender. 4 years may be a bit much.

Mongol is a decent role player. Big body, some skills.

LA has a ton of solid role players, not sure they have any stars.



Thanks. I guess they have to wait for the young core (DeAngelo, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle) to grow and in the meantime sign some role players. I think Nance Jr is a sleeper.

Just another team at this point.

Need another defender(Byombo, Ezeli) to get to respectability(30-35 wins) imo.


Biyombo signed with Orlando.
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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 7/3/2016 2:43:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So can anyone help do some analysis on the Lakers signings? I'm ok with 4/50 to reup Clarkson. But then they signed a stiff for 4/55, some guy named Mazgov or whatever. Then Deng for 4/72.

I know they have cap room but did they blow it? How is Deng? Is he a PF? Anything on the Russian stiff?


Deng is great. Can be a big SF or a small PF. Decent scorer, decent shooter, good defender. 4 years may be a bit much.

Mongol is a decent role player. Big body, some skills.

LA has a ton of solid role players, not sure they have any stars.



Thanks. I guess they have to wait for the young core (DeAngelo, Ingram, Clarkson, Randle) to grow and in the meantime sign some role players. I think Nance Jr is a sleeper.

Just another team at this point.

Need another defender(Byombo, Ezeli) to get to respectability(30-35 wins) imo.



Actually they need the current group to learn to play defense because they already have the following as their top 8:

Russell
Clarkson
Lou Williams
Randle
Nance
Ingram
Deng
Molotov

Seems Deng and Molotov are the only ones who even know what defense is. Maybe Ingram does.

The rest of them will have to play D to go anywhere no matter who is signed because they have the bulk of the minutes.

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