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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 10:12:35 PM

Matt Lang

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I'd be fine with that, and let's take Guerschon Yabusele in the 2nd

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 10:13:24 PM

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Henry Ellenson.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 10:20:39 PM

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Henry Ellenson.

God, no...

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 10:21:05 PM

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I'd be fine with that, and let's take Guerschon Yabusele in the 2nd

We don't have a 2nd.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 10:34:46 PM

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Argh.

Maybe we could buy one or trade Payne for one.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 10:52:04 PM

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The #3 for Okafor might be the deal to happen.

Supposedly Boston was interested in Okafor last year at the deadline. And I'm not sure there is a better prospect on the board for them to draft this year.

Simmons at #1 and Dunn(?) at #3, and they have some interesting parts. Especially if Embiid comes back.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/17/2016 11:09:12 PM

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The #3 for Okafor might be the deal to happen.

Supposedly Boston was interested in Okafor last year at the deadline. And I'm not sure there is a better prospect on the board for them to draft this year.

Simmons at #1 and Dunn(?) at #3, and they have some interesting parts. Especially if Embiid comes back.

Do the Celtics have six picks in this draft? If so, what a bad year to have that many.

Okafor would be better than anything they have, or could draft this year, but, IMO, they desperately need a big that can play defense.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 6:02:10 AM

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Henry Ellenson.

God, no...

I say it in jest...at least partially. Every year there's a polarizing player that has talent, but lots of weakness and anomalies and red flags, and people have him going all over the board. He's that guy this year.

I think he'll be good, maybe in a Kevin Love sort of way... but understand I don't mean that as a huge complement because I never considered Love to be a complete player.

Probably not a good fit here anyway. So hopefully nothing to worry about.

It's a bit of a weird draft this year in that 1-10 or so is relatively wide open and could go many different ways. So it really depends who's there at 5. If I had to single out an endorsed player now I may say the guard from Providence.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 8:29:06 AM

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I watched some Murray and Dunn highlights, both looked good.
Murray, to me was more like Lavine where Dunn was more lunch pail, but still had some sizzle.
Given Rubios limited offense and propensity for being hurt, Dunn is a really solid choice.
I think Murray will always score more and Dunn will always win more.

I'd like a trade that would grab Valentine as well, maybe next years first and Payne.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 9:13:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

Henry Ellenson.

God, no...

I say it in jest...at least partially. Every year there's a polarizing player that has talent, but lots of weakness and anomalies and red flags, and people have him going all over the board. He's that guy this year.

I think he'll be good, maybe in a Kevin Love sort of way... but understand I don't mean that as a huge complement because I never considered Love to be a complete player.

Probably not a good fit here anyway. So hopefully nothing to worry about.

It's a bit of a weird draft this year in that 1-10 or so is relatively wide open and could go many different ways. So it really depends who's there at 5. If I had to single out an endorsed player now I may say the guard from Providence.

Oh my God, I was kidding (sort of) but now I found this:

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ESPN.com Insider Chad Ford: No. 5 to Minnesota. "Hield would be very tempting here for the Timberwolves. They could use more shooting, and Hield is instant offense. However, I keep hearing they are very high on Ellenson. He fits a need at the 4, has the ability to stretch the floor and looks like a great fit next to Karl-Anthony Towns. Also, he's three years younger than Hield. That matters to NBA folks. If he starts hitting 3s at a higher clip, he's going to be very, very good."

Now I for sure don't want him if Chad Ford is picking him for us.

I wonder if he knows what he's talking about though when he say's we're high on Ellenson. Maybe that was pre-Thibedeau.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 9:23:05 AM

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He's a VERY poor man's Kevin Love. BBREF doesn't have complete stats for Love as a freshman, but he kills him in what they do have:

Ellenson:
2P%: .495
3P%: .288
FT%: .749
FTr: .439
TS%: .534
eFG%: .480

TRB/40: 11.6

OWS: 2.0
DWS: 2.0
WS: 4.0
WS/40: .143

Love:
2P%: .611
3P%: .354
FT%: .767
FTr: .635
TS%: .644
eFG%: .595

TRB/40: 14.4

OWS: 5.6
DWS: 5.7
WS: 11.3
WS/40: .391

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 9:23:48 AM

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Not to mention Henry projects to be a below average defender, and would provide no help defending stretch 4s...

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 9:47:08 AM

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Sounds like after 3 balls were picked we were the odds on favorite of getting the 3rd pick. Boston had a one in 14 chance and their number came up....according to Zack Lowe at Espn. Would have been really interesting draft at #3.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 9:51:25 AM

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I don't see Ellenson as a Thibs type of player. This would be drafting a 4 for the sake of drafting a 4 IMO. The objective at #5 is still to find the guy who will be the best NBA player. Period.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 10:21:56 AM

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The other thing about Ellenson is he's likely destined to be a Center.

He measured 6'11.5, 240 pounds and decent length. Defensively, he'll probably be easier to hide in the paint than on the perimeter.

He's also plummeting on the draft boards. DX has him all the way down to,11.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 10:54:43 AM

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Just pure speculation but my guess is Thibs will be looking for a player that can play good defense.

Even though we have a need better shooting

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 10:59:36 AM

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The other thing about Ellenson is he's likely destined to be a Center.

He measured 6'11.5, 240 pounds and decent length. Defensively, he'll probably be easier to hide in the paint than on the perimeter.

He's also plummeting on the draft boards. DX has him all the way down to,11.

SI.com has MN taking Ellenson at 5

Saw another after the lottery that had them taking Hield.

David, what do you think?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 11:09:06 AM

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The other thing about Ellenson is he's likely destined to be a Center.

He measured 6'11.5, 240 pounds and decent length. Defensively, he'll probably be easier to hide in the paint than on the perimeter.

He's also plummeting on the draft boards. DX has him all the way down to,11.

SI.com has MN taking Ellenson at 5

Saw another after the lottery that had them taking Hield.

David, what do you think?

I'll be surprised if Henry goes in the top half of the lottery. He may fall completely out of it. Linking him to us is lazy writing. SI will catch up with everyone else in a couple weeks.

I think Dunn or Murray are the most likely picks. I'd take Davis.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 11:13:25 AM

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Most Mocks have Davis going off the board around the 9-10 pick.

Perhaps we could trade back a get some value.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 11:34:15 AM

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Most Mocks have Davis going off the board around the 9-10 pick.

Perhaps we could trade back a get some value.

I think he's one of those guys with potential to jump up boards. This is also an absolute cluster of a draft to project beyond the Top 3 or 4 picks.

If you like a guy take him.

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 11:45:23 AM

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He's a VERY poor man's Kevin Love. BBREF doesn't have complete stats for Love as a freshman, but he kills him in what they do have:

Ellenson:
2P%: .495
3P%: .288
FT%: .749
FTr: .439
TS%: .534
eFG%: .480

TRB/40: 11.6

OWS: 2.0
DWS: 2.0
WS: 4.0
WS/40: .143

Love:
2P%: .611
3P%: .354
FT%: .767
FTr: .635
TS%: .644
eFG%: .595

TRB/40: 14.4

OWS: 5.6
DWS: 5.7
WS: 11.3
WS/40: .391

Just figured it out. Ellenson isn't Kevin Love. He's Kris Humphries:

Humphries:
2P%: .455
3P%: .340
FT%: .742
FTr: .460
TS%: .518
eFG%: .461

TRB/40: 11.9

OWS: 1.8
DWS: 1.7
WS: 3.5
WS/40: .140

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 11:53:20 AM

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But has he nailed a Kardasian?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 12:16:37 PM

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Anyone think #2 pick and Julius Randle for Blake Griffin is a fair trade?

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 12:17:37 PM

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But has he nailed a Kardasian?

Unlikely...

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RE: 2016 NBA Draft - 5/18/2016 12:21:35 PM

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Anyone think #2 pick and Julius Randle for Blake Griffin is a fair trade?

Probably not. Unless Doc loves Simmons or Ingram as a SF.

But even then I'm not sure the #2 pick has enough weight in this draft.

And its a gamble for the Lakers. Do Russell, Clarkson and, say DeRozan (since he seems frequently linked to LA) form enough of a core for Blake to resign after the season? I'm not so sure.

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