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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 3:59:09 PM

shakeywalton

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His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

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His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 3:59:33 PM

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Knicks win, so we're now in a coin flip for 6/7, and Dallas and Sacramento can't catch us.

KG, that's why a Wolves win tonight would have been disastrous!!

Try to see the big picture KG.

Tanking for ping pong balls is for LOSERS. That said I hope we win the lottery and get the first overall selection. I like Fultz or Josh Jackson more than Isaac.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 4/14/2017 4:04:26 PM >

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 4:05:34 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

quote:

His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

Most combo guards are undersized SGs. Guys that can score, but don't have PG skills.

Dunn has the size for it, but he needs to provide something on offense to be playable. Right now he's a poor-man's Tony Allen. He's going to have to get a lot better if he wants to be part of a rotation on a playoff team.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 4:15:42 PM

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Knicks win, so we're now in a coin flip for 6/7, and Dallas and Sacramento can't catch us.

KG, that's why a Wolves win tonight would have been disastrous!!

Try to see the big picture KG.

Tanking for ping pong balls is for LOSERS. That said I hope we win the lottery and get the first overall selection. I like Fultz or Josh Jackson more than Isaac.

Not when you are as close as the Wolves are.... And you will very likely NOT have a #1 pick next year and not a top/lottery pick for years to come.

You look at the BIG PICTURE.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 4:35:19 PM 1 votes

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Knicks win, so we're now in a coin flip for 6/7, and Dallas and Sacramento can't catch us.

KG, that's why a Wolves win tonight would have been disastrous!!

Try to see the big picture KG.

Tanking for ping pong balls is for LOSERS. That said I hope we win the lottery and get the first overall selection. I like Fultz or Josh Jackson more than Isaac.

Not when you are as close as the Wolves are.... And you will very likely NOT have a #1 pick next year and not a top/lottery pick for years to come.

You look at the BIG PICTURE.

Notice the Caps again. Tanking is for losers is all the Big Picture I need to know.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 4:50:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

quote:

His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

Most combo guards are undersized SGs. Guys that can score, but don't have PG skills.

Dunn has the size for it, but he needs to provide something on offense to be playable. Right now he's a poor-man's Tony Allen. He's going to have to get a lot better if he wants to be part of a rotation on a playoff team.

And again, he's a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 4:53:34 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

quote:

His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

Most combo guards are undersized SGs. Guys that can score, but don't have PG skills.

Dunn has the size for it, but he needs to provide something on offense to be playable. Right now he's a poor-man's Tony Allen. He's going to have to get a lot better if he wants to be part of a rotation on a playoff team.

And again, he's a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

17 MPG over 78 games (1333 minutes) is a significant amount of playing time for a rookie.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 5:05:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

quote:

His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

Most combo guards are undersized SGs. Guys that can score, but don't have PG skills.

Dunn has the size for it, but he needs to provide something on offense to be playable. Right now he's a poor-man's Tony Allen. He's going to have to get a lot better if he wants to be part of a rotation on a playoff team.

And again, he's a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

17 MPG over 78 games (1333 minutes) is a significant amount of playing time for a rookie.

Numbers don't mean anything to me. I watch every game. His numbers were very sporadic.

I'm not denying he needs to show more, but I hear to many supposedly Twolves fans who have already labelled him a bust.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 5:18:22 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

quote:

His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

Most combo guards are undersized SGs. Guys that can score, but don't have PG skills.

Dunn has the size for it, but he needs to provide something on offense to be playable. Right now he's a poor-man's Tony Allen. He's going to have to get a lot better if he wants to be part of a rotation on a playoff team.

And again, he's a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

17 MPG over 78 games (1333 minutes) is a significant amount of playing time for a rookie.

Numbers don't mean anything to me. I watch every game. His numbers were very sporadic.

I'm not denying he needs to show more, but I hear to many supposedly Twolves fans who have already labelled him a bust.

They were sporadic because sometimes he'd just come in and kill us. Or he'd pick up 4 fouls in 5 minutes.

I don't think anyone has called him a bust. He's a very good defender - much better than most rookies. But he can't be a total negative on the other end and get playing time.

I've said it multiple times that he needs to focus really hard on the 3 point shot. As bad as his shot is, I think it'll be easier to get him to shoot the 3 than to develop all the skills needed to run a team.

I think the fear that he'll replace Ricky is pretty much put to bed, and he's a pretty awful fit next to Rubio - unless he can become a 35-40% 3pt shooter.

I could see him playing limited minutes next to Zach is a very untraditional backcourt, but you'd really be relying on everyone to get their own shots.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 6:10:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

His wicked crossover shows me he has the ability to clean up his handles if he puts in the work.

Flash over substance. Not a good sign. If you can't do the basics, fancier moves do you no good. All it shows me is that he spent WAY too much time working on his crossover.

quote:

His age isn't a concern of mine at all. To me he's still a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

He still played 3000 minutes in college and over 1300 this year.

I'm not saying he's a finished product but there is no reason to assume he's going to buck the trend of old rookies developing much less than young ones. Especially at PG where its much harder to get by on god-given talent than any other position.

My thoughts on the handles is now he realizes he needs to get better. The NBA is FAR different from NCAA.

And as far as being a PG... I now view him as a Combo-Guard. Many teams have done very well with Combo-Guards leading the way.

Most combo guards are undersized SGs. Guys that can score, but don't have PG skills.

Dunn has the size for it, but he needs to provide something on offense to be playable. Right now he's a poor-man's Tony Allen. He's going to have to get a lot better if he wants to be part of a rotation on a playoff team.

And again, he's a rookie who didn't get a lot of playing time.

17 MPG over 78 games (1333 minutes) is a significant amount of playing time for a rookie.

Numbers don't mean anything to me. I watch every game. His numbers were very sporadic.

I'm not denying he needs to show more, but I hear to many supposedly Twolves fans who have already labelled him a bust.

They were sporadic because sometimes he'd just come in and kill us. Or he'd pick up 4 fouls in 5 minutes.

I don't think anyone has called him a bust. He's a very good defender - much better than most rookies. But he can't be a total negative on the other end and get playing time.

I've said it multiple times that he needs to focus really hard on the 3 point shot. As bad as his shot is, I think it'll be easier to get him to shoot the 3 than to develop all the skills needed to run a team.

I think the fear that he'll replace Ricky is pretty much put to bed, and he's a pretty awful fit next to Rubio - unless he can become a 35-40% 3pt shooter.

I could see him playing limited minutes next to Zach is a very untraditional backcourt, but you'd really be relying on everyone to get their own shots.

I pretty much agree. I've seen the 3 fouls in 2 minutes games. Sometimes I do think he's too aggressive defensively and especially for a rookie, he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt there.

And his shooting I think will improve as it does for almost every player once they acclimate themselves to the NBA.

I'm not saying you David, but there have been plenty of people who have already labelled him a bust. I call it the "Millennial immediate Gratification" Syndrome.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 6:13:02 PM

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It's a shame that Dunn's offensive game is so undeveloped. He's going to be a terrific defensive player, but it may not end up being here. As Thibs said we need some shooters. I wonder if he would take Hield or Murray if he could do it over again? This should be a real interesting off-season as we look for more size, depth and shooters.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 6:14:15 PM

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I wonder if he would take Hield or Murray if he could do it over again?

I doubt it.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 7:07:11 PM

David Levine

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It's a shame that Dunn's offensive game is so undeveloped. He's going to be a terrific defensive player, but it may not end up being here. As Thibs said we need some shooters. I wonder if he would take Hield or Murray if he could do it over again? This should be a real interesting off-season as we look for more size, depth and shooters.

I didn't like any of the 3 in the draft. Still don't.

I'd probably still keep Dunn over the other 2. Maybe I'd take Murray because he's so young.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 7:55:48 PM

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It's a shame that Dunn's offensive game is so undeveloped. He's going to be a terrific defensive player, but it may not end up being here. As Thibs said we need some shooters. I wonder if he would take Hield or Murray if he could do it over again? This should be a real interesting off-season as we look for more size, depth and shooters.

I didn't like any of the 3 in the draft. Still don't.

I'd probably still keep Dunn over the other 2. Maybe I'd take Murray because he's so young.

Murray was my guy, but always predicted Dunn would be Thibs choice. That was too easy.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/14/2017 8:10:42 PM

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Was a bad draft.

Among the 3 leading ROY candidates 2 (Ebiid & Saric) came from the previous draft and the 3rd guy Malcolm Brogdon was the 36th pick last year.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/15/2017 9:54:51 AM

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It's a shame that Dunn's offensive game is so undeveloped. He's going to be a terrific defensive player, but it may not end up being here. As Thibs said we need some shooters. I wonder if he would take Hield or Murray if he could do it over again? This should be a real interesting off-season as we look for more size, depth and shooters.

I think you are selecting only parts of what Thibs says, because a segment fits your opinion. Yes, we need shooters, but that does not mean that every player or every starter needs to be a shooter. However he talked a lot about needing to change the entire culture of the organization from top to bottom. I would assume this means ending the Country Club mentality, which is still engrained here. We also need two way players. However, there are few two way players in the draft. Nearly every player has significant deficiencies in their game. We need coaches who can teach the skills that players are lacking. Sounds like a significant part of the off season will be spent on skills training. Thibs said that they did not get the guys which they were after in the last off season. So instead of spending their doe on the next guy up, they kept a lot of powder dry for this off season. He is going to be looing at bringing in players at the same age as our core group. This may mean bring in players like Lance to see if they fit. Players who have some questions in their game, but have more upside potential. Unless we get our players at our price, we are not going to bid up the price to make a splash. We will see more stop gap players. As our core improves, better players will want to come here. We have established a culture of over paying for marginal players. That list is extremely long.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 7:47:10 AM

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Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 1:15:26 PM

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Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 4:04:08 PM

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Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

There must have been something about Lance that Thibs did not like. I think being constantly injured may have been a factor, hard to tell. He seemed like a low risk signing. Maybe Lance did not like it here.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 5:10:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

He signed a 3 year 12M contract with Indy. I doubt he was going to take a 1 year deal with us.

I'm fine with losing him. It's been 4 years since he's been a good player and he's always been a handful to manage.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 6:00:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

He signed a 3 year 12M contract with Indy. I doubt he was going to take a 1 year deal with us.

I'm fine with losing him. It's been 4 years since he's been a good player and he's always been a handful to manage.

I'd be fine with that deal for Lance. Even after the ankle injuries.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 6:16:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

There must have been something about Lance that Thibs did not like. I think being constantly injured may have been a factor, hard to tell. He seemed like a low risk signing. Maybe Lance did not like it here.

The guy is a living, breathing injury. No thanks. Indiana can have him. I was very intrigued when they signed him. But I saw enough. No thanks.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/16/2017 6:24:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

There must have been something about Lance that Thibs did not like. I think being constantly injured may have been a factor, hard to tell. He seemed like a low risk signing. Maybe Lance did not like it here.

The guy is a living, breathing injury. No thanks. Indiana can have him. I was very intrigued when they signed him. But I saw enough. No thanks.

I am inclined to agree with you and Dave that Lance will never be in physical condition to play without spending most of the season on the DL. A vet minimum contract would be ok, but the contract that Indiana gave him was too rich for my blood.

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/17/2017 12:17:57 PM

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Transcription of Thibs' end of season presser. Good stuff:

http://www.canishoopus.com/2017/4/17/15301718/tom-thibodeaus-end-of-season-press-conference-wiggins-towns-lavine-rubio

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RE: Wolves 2016 Game Day - 4/17/2017 7:15:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Lance Stephenson with 16-7-3 in first game of playoffs against Cavs. I think Wolves could use him, but the Pacers just seem like the right team for him.

I saw that too. IMO it was a BAD move to not sign him for next season... and possibly beyond.

There must have been something about Lance that Thibs did not like. I think being constantly injured may have been a factor, hard to tell. He seemed like a low risk signing. Maybe Lance did not like it here.

The guy is a living, breathing injury. No thanks. Indiana can have him. I was very intrigued when they signed him. But I saw enough. No thanks.

I am inclined to agree with you and Dave that Lance will never be in physical condition to play without spending most of the season on the DL. A vet minimum contract would be ok, but the contract that Indiana gave him was too rich for my blood.

He's probably too big a risk, but wish we had some guys that play with his attitude.

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