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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 7:41:06 PM   
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


Are you assuming that she is being honest about that part?

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 7:43:37 PM   
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I think the article must have it wrong. Be a 2018 6th rd pick.

One would think losing a HOFer would net a 3rd



Not for $3m or whatever it is.

Strangely (for your line of thinking) losing MATT KALIL could net a 3rd, but that's more than offset with the Reiff and Remmers signings.


I think because of his age a 6th is the max we could get regardless of his contract.

This was reported before FA even began.



So age trumps contract?? No way, I doubt age has anything to do with it. Reposting....

Edit: I see in another post below there is something about # of seasons so your age issue has validity.


As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 7:48:54 PM   
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A small new contract combined with him playing 3 games (40 touches) and no postseason makes a 6th sound like a gold mine for him...
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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 7:54:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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I think the article must have it wrong. Be a 2018 6th rd pick.

One would think losing a HOFer would net a 3rd



Not for $3m or whatever it is.

Strangely (for your line of thinking) losing MATT KALIL could net a 3rd, but that's more than offset with the Reiff and Remmers signings.


I think because of his age a 6th is the max we could get regardless of his contract.

This was reported before FA even began.



So age trumps contract?? No way, I doubt age has anything to do with it. Reposting....


As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors.


The article I referred to earlier stated we couldn't get higher than a fifth because AD has played 10 seasons. However this article says apparently his suspended season doesn't count (although he played a game), so...

http://vikingsterritory.com/2017/freeagency/vikings-compensatory-picks-the-complete-lowdown

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 7:58:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


Are you assuming that she is being honest about that part?


I actually wouldn't be surprised if that part was true. There was zero denial about the nature of their interaction and more importantly, any denials of it. Just the denials of rape and an indirect statement that they didn't have sex.

Just seems to me that such an accusation regarding group sex would get vehement denials on EVERYTHING, not just consensual sex between him and her. YMMV.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 9:08:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


Are you assuming that she is being honest about that part?


I actually wouldn't be surprised if that part was true. There was zero denial about the nature of their interaction and more importantly, any denials of it. Just the denials of rape and an indirect statement that they didn't have sex.

Just seems to me that such an accusation regarding group sex would get vehement denials on EVERYTHING, not just consensual sex between him and her. YMMV.


If any of what she said is true, it's odd that they asked her to do a foursome but she declined but stuck around to watch some group sex.

I guess it's plausible. People do weird shit.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 9:46:53 PM   
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I have a huge problem with the stupidity of kids that get busted for pot at the combine...

I have no problem with the pot smoking...

it shouldn't even be a violation...but it is and this is their biggest job interview ever and they can't just stay clean for a month?

Too worried about them never playing to pick them...they are not going to stop smoking pot.

The punch a girl in the face problem is so much worse an offense, but that is not part of a chronic lifestyle problem...

now maybe Mixon or Brantley might go on to have further domestic violence issues...

but that isn't a pattern in their lives which means they are not likely to be suspended...

(well, it isn't clear how the Brantley issue will play out with potential suspension because of how recently it happened)

So I would not take Mixon off my board, but I would hesitate to take Peppers or Foster before the first 3 rounds at least...


So really you only care about the players eligibility, not their morality?

bottom line when drafting, eligibility trumps morality

Just saying Mixon in particular doesn't exhibit a pattern of behavior...

pot smokers who can't abstain for a month or not gonna stop, in my experience...

I can forgive the one time horrible judgement

but I can't risk losing a high pick to someone already in the program...

just too many Randy Gregory's out there


To say Mixon had a "one time horrible judgement" is incredibly generous.

The fact he had the parking attendant incident just a year ago tells you he still has a real anger management issue and/or serious woman issues.


Was the parking attendant a woman?


Its interesting. Everything out there seems to go out of its way to avoid any gender specific pronouns when talking about the case.

Although at the end of this video, the reporter refers to the attendant as "him":

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/


I've always understood it was a woman. This report refers to her as "she".

https://nondoc.com/2016/11/04/ou-parking-attendant-reports-joe-mixon/

oh shit, struck her with a deadly weapon

throwing ripped up bits of paper, that is clearly continuing a long history of violence against women!

Now he's off my board...holy shit what was I thinking?
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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 9:48:26 PM   
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A small new contract combined with him playing 3 games (40 touches) and no postseason makes a 6th sound like a gold mine for him...

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 9:55:57 PM   
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Interesting stuff the last two years. I wonder what the eve of next year's draft will bring?
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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:04:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


If he really did that, then he is the scum of the earth and deserves all his trouble.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:47:03 PM   
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funny to me that I keep arguing for Mixon, but I don't even want to pick him unless he falls to the third...don't want rb till then

besides I think he is gone by Cinci at 41 at the latest

For the record, I want best OG or DT at 48, then the one not picked in the 3rd

only way I trade up is if Lamp is there in late 20's...

Would love to see McDowell fall to 48...

I do want an RB at some point, and another WR...a TE too

the back end of the draft can be a developmental player or 3...

another oL, maybe CB...
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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:48:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I have a huge problem with the stupidity of kids that get busted for pot at the combine...

I have no problem with the pot smoking...

it shouldn't even be a violation...but it is and this is their biggest job interview ever and they can't just stay clean for a month?

Too worried about them never playing to pick them...they are not going to stop smoking pot.

The punch a girl in the face problem is so much worse an offense, but that is not part of a chronic lifestyle problem...

now maybe Mixon or Brantley might go on to have further domestic violence issues...

but that isn't a pattern in their lives which means they are not likely to be suspended...

(well, it isn't clear how the Brantley issue will play out with potential suspension because of how recently it happened)

So I would not take Mixon off my board, but I would hesitate to take Peppers or Foster before the first 3 rounds at least...


So really you only care about the players eligibility, not their morality?

bottom line when drafting, eligibility trumps morality

Just saying Mixon in particular doesn't exhibit a pattern of behavior...

pot smokers who can't abstain for a month or not gonna stop, in my experience...

I can forgive the one time horrible judgement

but I can't risk losing a high pick to someone already in the program...

just too many Randy Gregory's out there


To say Mixon had a "one time horrible judgement" is incredibly generous.

The fact he had the parking attendant incident just a year ago tells you he still has a real anger management issue and/or serious woman issues.


Was the parking attendant a woman?


Its interesting. Everything out there seems to go out of its way to avoid any gender specific pronouns when talking about the case.

Although at the end of this video, the reporter refers to the attendant as "him":

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/


I've always understood it was a woman. This report refers to her as "she".

https://nondoc.com/2016/11/04/ou-parking-attendant-reports-joe-mixon/

oh shit, struck her with a deadly weapon

throwing ripped up bits of paper, that is clearly continuing a long history of violence against women!

Now he's off my board...holy shit what was I thinking?


Seriously? Have you seen the video where he decks the woman? Then he does this number?

If you think that's OK you are OK with violence against women.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:52:02 PM   
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funny to me that I keep arguing for Mixon, but I don't even want to pick him unless he falls to the third...don't want rb till then

besides I think he is gone by Cinci at 41 at the latest

For the record, I want best OG or DT at 48, then the one not picked in the 3rd

only way I trade up is if Lamp is there in late 20's...

Would love to see McDowell fall to 48...

I do want an RB at some point, and another WR...a TE too

the back end of the draft can be a developmental player or 3...

another oL, maybe CB...


Exactly what I've said for a month.

People are chiming for the guy only because he's on the discount rack.

Like character isn't important on a football team.

It's the most important thing.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:52:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I have a huge problem with the stupidity of kids that get busted for pot at the combine...

I have no problem with the pot smoking...

it shouldn't even be a violation...but it is and this is their biggest job interview ever and they can't just stay clean for a month?

Too worried about them never playing to pick them...they are not going to stop smoking pot.

The punch a girl in the face problem is so much worse an offense, but that is not part of a chronic lifestyle problem...

now maybe Mixon or Brantley might go on to have further domestic violence issues...

but that isn't a pattern in their lives which means they are not likely to be suspended...

(well, it isn't clear how the Brantley issue will play out with potential suspension because of how recently it happened)

So I would not take Mixon off my board, but I would hesitate to take Peppers or Foster before the first 3 rounds at least...


So really you only care about the players eligibility, not their morality?

bottom line when drafting, eligibility trumps morality

Just saying Mixon in particular doesn't exhibit a pattern of behavior...

pot smokers who can't abstain for a month or not gonna stop, in my experience...

I can forgive the one time horrible judgement

but I can't risk losing a high pick to someone already in the program...

just too many Randy Gregory's out there


To say Mixon had a "one time horrible judgement" is incredibly generous.

The fact he had the parking attendant incident just a year ago tells you he still has a real anger management issue and/or serious woman issues.


Was the parking attendant a woman?


Its interesting. Everything out there seems to go out of its way to avoid any gender specific pronouns when talking about the case.

Although at the end of this video, the reporter refers to the attendant as "him":

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/


I've always understood it was a woman. This report refers to her as "she".

https://nondoc.com/2016/11/04/ou-parking-attendant-reports-joe-mixon/

oh shit, struck her with a deadly weapon

throwing ripped up bits of paper, that is clearly continuing a long history of violence against women!

Now he's off my board...holy shit what was I thinking?


Seriously? Have you seen the video where he decks the woman? Then he does this number?

If you think that's OK you are OK with violence against women.

What is this big deal with violence against women. How about violence against anybody. "I beat the person to death, but it's ok he was a guy." Whatever.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 4/25/2017 10:54:54 PM >


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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:54:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I have a huge problem with the stupidity of kids that get busted for pot at the combine...

I have no problem with the pot smoking...

it shouldn't even be a violation...but it is and this is their biggest job interview ever and they can't just stay clean for a month?

Too worried about them never playing to pick them...they are not going to stop smoking pot.

The punch a girl in the face problem is so much worse an offense, but that is not part of a chronic lifestyle problem...

now maybe Mixon or Brantley might go on to have further domestic violence issues...

but that isn't a pattern in their lives which means they are not likely to be suspended...

(well, it isn't clear how the Brantley issue will play out with potential suspension because of how recently it happened)

So I would not take Mixon off my board, but I would hesitate to take Peppers or Foster before the first 3 rounds at least...


So really you only care about the players eligibility, not their morality?

bottom line when drafting, eligibility trumps morality

Just saying Mixon in particular doesn't exhibit a pattern of behavior...

pot smokers who can't abstain for a month or not gonna stop, in my experience...

I can forgive the one time horrible judgement

but I can't risk losing a high pick to someone already in the program...

just too many Randy Gregory's out there


To say Mixon had a "one time horrible judgement" is incredibly generous.

The fact he had the parking attendant incident just a year ago tells you he still has a real anger management issue and/or serious woman issues.


Was the parking attendant a woman?


Its interesting. Everything out there seems to go out of its way to avoid any gender specific pronouns when talking about the case.

Although at the end of this video, the reporter refers to the attendant as "him":

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/


I've always understood it was a woman. This report refers to her as "she".

https://nondoc.com/2016/11/04/ou-parking-attendant-reports-joe-mixon/

oh shit, struck her with a deadly weapon

throwing ripped up bits of paper, that is clearly continuing a long history of violence against women!

Now he's off my board...holy shit what was I thinking?


Seriously? Have you seen the video where he decks the woman? Then he does this number?

If you think that's OK you are OK with violence against women.

What is this big deal with violence against women. How about violence against anybody.


It's extra cowardly to attack the more vulnerable.

Sort of like AD did.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 10:56:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I have a huge problem with the stupidity of kids that get busted for pot at the combine...

I have no problem with the pot smoking...

it shouldn't even be a violation...but it is and this is their biggest job interview ever and they can't just stay clean for a month?

Too worried about them never playing to pick them...they are not going to stop smoking pot.

The punch a girl in the face problem is so much worse an offense, but that is not part of a chronic lifestyle problem...

now maybe Mixon or Brantley might go on to have further domestic violence issues...

but that isn't a pattern in their lives which means they are not likely to be suspended...

(well, it isn't clear how the Brantley issue will play out with potential suspension because of how recently it happened)

So I would not take Mixon off my board, but I would hesitate to take Peppers or Foster before the first 3 rounds at least...


So really you only care about the players eligibility, not their morality?

bottom line when drafting, eligibility trumps morality

Just saying Mixon in particular doesn't exhibit a pattern of behavior...

pot smokers who can't abstain for a month or not gonna stop, in my experience...

I can forgive the one time horrible judgement

but I can't risk losing a high pick to someone already in the program...

just too many Randy Gregory's out there


To say Mixon had a "one time horrible judgement" is incredibly generous.

The fact he had the parking attendant incident just a year ago tells you he still has a real anger management issue and/or serious woman issues.


Was the parking attendant a woman?


Its interesting. Everything out there seems to go out of its way to avoid any gender specific pronouns when talking about the case.

Although at the end of this video, the reporter refers to the attendant as "him":

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/


I've always understood it was a woman. This report refers to her as "she".

https://nondoc.com/2016/11/04/ou-parking-attendant-reports-joe-mixon/

oh shit, struck her with a deadly weapon

throwing ripped up bits of paper, that is clearly continuing a long history of violence against women!

Now he's off my board...holy shit what was I thinking?


Seriously? Have you seen the video where he decks the woman? Then he does this number?

If you think that's OK you are OK with violence against women.

What is this big deal with violence against women. How about violence against anybody.


It's extra cowardly to attack the more vulnerable.

Sort of like AD did.

So women are more vulnerable. They have to be protected by us big strong powerful men. OK. If you beat somebody up is it really any different effect whether the person was male of female. That person is still just as beat up.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:01:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I have a huge problem with the stupidity of kids that get busted for pot at the combine...

I have no problem with the pot smoking...

it shouldn't even be a violation...but it is and this is their biggest job interview ever and they can't just stay clean for a month?

Too worried about them never playing to pick them...they are not going to stop smoking pot.

The punch a girl in the face problem is so much worse an offense, but that is not part of a chronic lifestyle problem...

now maybe Mixon or Brantley might go on to have further domestic violence issues...

but that isn't a pattern in their lives which means they are not likely to be suspended...

(well, it isn't clear how the Brantley issue will play out with potential suspension because of how recently it happened)

So I would not take Mixon off my board, but I would hesitate to take Peppers or Foster before the first 3 rounds at least...


So really you only care about the players eligibility, not their morality?

bottom line when drafting, eligibility trumps morality

Just saying Mixon in particular doesn't exhibit a pattern of behavior...

pot smokers who can't abstain for a month or not gonna stop, in my experience...

I can forgive the one time horrible judgement

but I can't risk losing a high pick to someone already in the program...

just too many Randy Gregory's out there


To say Mixon had a "one time horrible judgement" is incredibly generous.

The fact he had the parking attendant incident just a year ago tells you he still has a real anger management issue and/or serious woman issues.


Was the parking attendant a woman?


Its interesting. Everything out there seems to go out of its way to avoid any gender specific pronouns when talking about the case.

Although at the end of this video, the reporter refers to the attendant as "him":

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/


I've always understood it was a woman. This report refers to her as "she".

https://nondoc.com/2016/11/04/ou-parking-attendant-reports-joe-mixon/

oh shit, struck her with a deadly weapon

throwing ripped up bits of paper, that is clearly continuing a long history of violence against women!

Now he's off my board...holy shit what was I thinking?


Seriously? Have you seen the video where he decks the woman? Then he does this number?

If you think that's OK you are OK with violence against women.

What is this big deal with violence against women. How about violence against anybody.


It's extra cowardly to attack the more vulnerable.

Sort of like AD did.

So women are more vulnerable. They have to be protected by us big strong powerful men. OK. If you beat somebody up is it really any different effect whether the person was male of female. That person is still just as beat up.


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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:21:19 PM   
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funny to me that I keep arguing for Mixon, but I don't even want to pick him unless he falls to the third...don't want rb till then

besides I think he is gone by Cinci at 41 at the latest

For the record, I want best OG or DT at 48, then the one not picked in the 3rd



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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:26:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


If he really did that, then he is the scum of the earth and deserves all his trouble.


I wouldn't go that far, either. Granted, I'm not into such stuff, though I cant say that it didn't cross my mind 20 years ago in college.

And in the state of Ohio, OSU football players are considered whatever is in between Gods and Kings. Mix that in with willing college and/or grown women and money and you get a potential wild ass time.

Athletes live a different lifestyle than most of us, which includes sex. It is what it is. You just have to be VERY careful who you allow in said circles. If group sex was the premise that led to this rape allegation for Conley, he made a very bad decision by even inviting her to be a viewing participant.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:27:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


If he really did that, then he is the scum of the earth and deserves all his trouble.


That's right, good people invite strangers for group sex, it's all about sharing.
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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:30:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


Are you assuming that she is being honest about that part?


I actually wouldn't be surprised if that part was true. There was zero denial about the nature of their interaction and more importantly, any denials of it. Just the denials of rape and an indirect statement that they didn't have sex.

Just seems to me that such an accusation regarding group sex would get vehement denials on EVERYTHING, not just consensual sex between him and her. YMMV.


If any of what she said is true, it's odd that they asked her to do a foursome but she declined but stuck around to watch some group sex.

I guess it's plausible. People do weird shit.


Yeah, but the more and more you hear shit about "normal" people, the less you are surprised about.

I know a couple of KEY authority figures in local government that swap wives. I know of another one that ran out of his girlfriend's apartment building in his tighty whiteys trying to get to where he was supposed to be becuz his wife was looking for him.

Very little surprises me in 2017. This alleged incident certainly doesn't.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:38:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


If he really did that, then he is the scum of the earth and deserves all his trouble.


That's right, good people invite strangers for group sex, it's all about sharing.


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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:40:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


If he really did that, then he is the scum of the earth and deserves all his trouble.


That's right, good people invite strangers for group sex, it's all about sharing.

Exactly. Throw in some lamp shades and scuba flippers and its good clean fun.
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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:41:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: drviking

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/report-gareon-conley-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-cleveland/


If he is innocent, then this woman is really the scum of the earth. It makes me think that if I am in the limelight like this that I need to be accompanied by someone that I trust whenever in the public.


Or not invite strangers for group sex.


If he really did that, then he is the scum of the earth and deserves all his trouble.


I wouldn't go that far, either. Granted, I'm not into such stuff, though I cant say that it didn't cross my mind 20 years ago in college.

And in the state of Ohio, OSU football players are considered whatever is in between Gods and Kings. Mix that in with willing college and/or grown women and money and you get a potential wild ass time.

Athletes live a different lifestyle than most of us, which includes sex. It is what it is. You just have to be VERY careful who you allow in said circles. If group sex was the premise that led to this rape allegation for Conley, he made a very bad decision by even inviting her to be a viewing participant.


I'm not inviting Bruce.

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RE: 2017 NFL Draft - 4/25/2017 11:52:43 PM   
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funny to me that I keep arguing for Mixon, but I don't even want to pick him unless he falls to the third...don't want rb till then

besides I think he is gone by Cinci at 41 at the latest

For the record, I want best OG or DT at 48, then the one not picked in the 3rd



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why not?

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