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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/18/2017 4:50:18 PM   
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Good that we get a small break. It would be nice to move into the top 3, but I am only dreaming. I would prefer that we draft the best power forward and leave it go at that. Small forward appears to be set with Wiggins and Thibs apparently willing to resign his back up. We have plenty of everything else except for a power forward who can become a dominant man in 3-4 years.


The top PF in the draft is probably Lauri Markkanen - who is a horrible fit next to Towns. After him, I guess Zach Collins.

Fortunately in his post season presser, Thibs alluded to bringing Zach (and Dieng) off the bench - which would let us draft and/or sign a SF to let Wiggins have the advantage of playing SG.

I really think Isaac is the pick and we sign a PF in free agency. Hopefully Millsap, but if not I'd guess one of Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic or maybe even JaMychal Green.


Probably the ideal fit for Zach until he commits to playing defense. He comes off the bench and if he is shooting well and/or his +/- is good, he remains on the court.

In an earlier post I had mentioned guys like Tyson Chandler and Afflalo. Those guys would be good too for opposite reasons. If Towns and Wiggins get lazy on defense, yank them for players who aren't as talented but are willing to play hard on defense.


Unfortunately neither is a FA. Chandler is going to turn 35 before the season starts and has 2 more years remaining. Afflalo has 1 more (unless the Kings decide to waive his partially guaranteed deal).

Yep. Thibs has his work cut out for him. I think he needs to find someone who can be inserted if KAT and/or Wiggins ignore defense. When you've got no depth and these guys produce 60-70% of your offense, you can't do that and expect to win. But he's got to do something to remedy that situation.


The KAT one is trickier. How many resources can you put into Center? Dieng really should be his primary back-up (and part time PF), and Cole is signed for 2 more years.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/18/2017 5:27:13 PM   
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Good that we get a small break. It would be nice to move into the top 3, but I am only dreaming. I would prefer that we draft the best power forward and leave it go at that. Small forward appears to be set with Wiggins and Thibs apparently willing to resign his back up. We have plenty of everything else except for a power forward who can become a dominant man in 3-4 years.


The top PF in the draft is probably Lauri Markkanen - who is a horrible fit next to Towns. After him, I guess Zach Collins.

Fortunately in his post season presser, Thibs alluded to bringing Zach (and Dieng) off the bench - which would let us draft and/or sign a SF to let Wiggins have the advantage of playing SG.

I really think Isaac is the pick and we sign a PF in free agency. Hopefully Millsap, but if not I'd guess one of Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic or maybe even JaMychal Green.


Probably the ideal fit for Zach until he commits to playing defense. He comes off the bench and if he is shooting well and/or his +/- is good, he remains on the court.

In an earlier post I had mentioned guys like Tyson Chandler and Afflalo. Those guys would be good too for opposite reasons. If Towns and Wiggins get lazy on defense, yank them for players who aren't as talented but are willing to play hard on defense.


Unfortunately neither is a FA. Chandler is going to turn 35 before the season starts and has 2 more years remaining. Afflalo has 1 more (unless the Kings decide to waive his partially guaranteed deal).

Yep. Thibs has his work cut out for him. I think he needs to find someone who can be inserted if KAT and/or Wiggins ignore defense. When you've got no depth and these guys produce 60-70% of your offense, you can't do that and expect to win. But he's got to do something to remedy that situation.


The KAT one is trickier. How many resources can you put into Center? Dieng really should be his primary back-up (and part time PF), and Cole is signed for 2 more years.

Agreed. But I would add that KAT is trickier because he is clearly the Wolves #1 option on offense. He's more consistent than Wiggins.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/18/2017 6:04:07 PM   
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Who do we pick?


The obvious pick if we don't move into the Top 3 is Isaac.

Ideal fit. He defends, he rebounds, he can handle and pass the ball. He has great length for SF and should eventually fill out into a combo forward or even a guy who plays mostly PF.

Won't demand the ball on offense, but can score in multiple ways and knock down the 3.

Potentially a Draymond Green type of guy. Jack of all trades glue guy that can impact a game scoring 8 points, but has the talent to drop 30 on occasion.


My sources are telling me that Isaac's NBA comparison is Rashard Lewis
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/19/2017 9:37:28 PM   
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Wolves win the tiebreaker over the Knicks. :-)

It sucks that we were in position to draft that early, but it's nice come draft night.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/19/2017 10:00:45 PM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/19/2017 11:26:09 PM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
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I reckon so.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 3:24:11 AM   
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It was reported that the Wolves have $20 million in cap money if you exclude Rush and our other free agents. Is this enough to laND a top player. If so how does this effect our ability to keep Zach, Wiggins and KAT?
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 9:51:04 AM   
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I've seen at least one mock that has Wolves taking Jayson Tatum from Duke at #6. He does nothing for me.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 10:03:06 AM   
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Fun fact. The top 12 projected picks on Draft Express are 11 freshman and one international. The top projected senior comes in at #33.

One-and-dones have totally taken over as the norm.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 10:20:33 AM   
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It was reported that the Wolves have $20 million in cap money if you exclude Rush and our other free agents. Is this enough to laND a top player. If so how does this effect our ability to keep Zach, Wiggins and KAT?


Sportstrac has us at $22 Million if we renounce Rush, Payne, Bazz, and Casspi. Are we locked in for $2 Million for the draft then?

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 10:23:53 AM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

I reckon so.


What do you think it will take to get Millsap.....he will be 33 next year?

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 11:16:16 AM   
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It was reported that the Wolves have $20 million in cap money if you exclude Rush and our other free agents. Is this enough to laND a top player. If so how does this effect our ability to keep Zach, Wiggins and KAT?


Salary cap is projected at 102M.

If we let Hill go (team option) and medically retire Pek, we're at 63.4M before our draft pick. So we're looking to have nearly 40M in cap space (less about 4M if we give Bazz his QO).

That's enough to land anyone.

We could spend all of it and still be able to KAT, Wiggins and Zach if Taylor is willing to spend the money.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 11:18:52 AM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

I reckon so.


What do you think it will take to get Millsap.....he will be 33 next year?


Probably around 30M/year.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 11:28:48 AM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

I reckon so.

What do you think it will take to get Millsap.....he will be 33 next year?

Probably around 30M/year.


Can we get him with 3 years or would it take 4-5?

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 11:30:44 AM   
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I've seen at least one mock that has Wolves taking Jayson Tatum from Duke at #6. He does nothing for me.


I'm not a huge fan. I love his size to eventually be a combo forward and he's got some skill and athletic ability. But you have to project a lot with him. Not a great 3pt shooter (but his FT% is promising in that regard). And he's all defensive potential and no defensive production at this point. I also don't love the fit of another guy who always wants the ball in his hands. And he struggles in college to get all the way to the rim.

Reminds me a lot of Rudy Gay. I also think he's a near lock to go 4 or 5. Teams overvalue scoring.

I think Jackson is probably the better pick (we'd need to move up to 2 or maybe 3), but he has some significant red flags too. Serious character/off court issues. And the late jump in shooting reminds me a lot Justise Winslow or Stanley Johnson - 2 guys who have struggled with the transition because of their shot.

I still think Isaac is the safest bet. He might never be a star, but he might be the perfect "glue guy". Maybe an Otto Porter type - but a better rebounder/defender.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 12:27:16 PM   
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I still think Isaac is the safest bet. He might never be a star, but he might be the perfect "glue guy". Maybe an Otto Porter type - but a better rebounder/defender.


At this point, from my limited info, I'd agree. They could use someone like him. A good fit.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 12:34:13 PM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

I reckon so.

What do you think it will take to get Millsap.....he will be 33 next year?

Probably around 30M/year.


Can we get him with 3 years or would it take 4-5?


5 isn't an option - only Atlanta can give him that.

3 would be great, but I think it would take 4 to get him to consider us.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 1:18:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

I reckon so.

What do you think it will take to get Millsap.....he will be 33 next year?

Probably around 30M/year.


Can we get him with 3 years or would it take 4-5?


5 isn't an option - only Atlanta can give him that.

3 would be great, but I think it would take 4 to get him to consider us.

I have read that the CBA only allows teams 3 max contract players. At this point that would leave the pressure on Zach. We still have another year with him on rookie contract. This is a little rich for my blood. He doesn't deserve that type of contract, but some one may give it to him.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 2:28:42 PM   
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I have read that the CBA only allows teams 3 max contract players.
At this point that would leave the pressure on Zach. We still have another year with him on rookie contract. This is a little rich for my blood. He doesn't deserve that type of contract, but some one may give it to him.


That is incorrect.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 3:04:49 PM   
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Sign Milsap FA and draft Josh Jackson.
So let it be written
So let it be done.

I reckon so.


What do you think it will take to get Millsap.....he will be 33 next year?


Probably around 30M/year.


Wow. That's a lot of cabbage. Hard to wrap your arms around what these guys make.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 4:15:20 PM   
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I have read that the CBA only allows teams 3 max contract players.
At this point that would leave the pressure on Zach. We still have another year with him on rookie contract. This is a little rich for my blood. He doesn't deserve that type of contract, but some one may give it to him.


That is incorrect.

So are you saying that there are no restrictions on number of max players.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 4:44:37 PM   
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I have read that the CBA only allows teams 3 max contract players.
At this point that would leave the pressure on Zach. We still have another year with him on rookie contract. This is a little rich for my blood. He doesn't deserve that type of contract, but some one may give it to him.


That is incorrect.

So are you saying that there are no restrictions on number of max players.


Only what an owner is willing to pay.

There is a limit on the number of 5 year Max contracts for players coming off their rookie contracts, but that's a different thing altogether.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/20/2017 4:53:41 PM   
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Basically, how much penalty tax he is willing to pay.
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/21/2017 10:48:50 AM   
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Yahoo with a better breakdown - including some cap holds I missed.

26M if we let Pek go. 34M if we renounce Bazz's caphold.

Would not be shocked if we try to dump Cole.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/summer-agenda-timberwolves-76ers-plenty-flexibility-summer-193525322.html
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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 4/21/2017 11:08:25 AM   
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Yahoo with a better breakdown - including some cap holds I missed.

26M if we let Pek go. 34M if we renounce Bazz's caphold.

Would not be shocked if we try to dump Cole.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/summer-agenda-timberwolves-76ers-plenty-flexibility-summer-193525322.html

What happened with Cole, anyway? Thibs didn't like him?

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