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ORIGINAL: ruffenach
I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

I believe that Flip did a good job on handling Love and parlaying him for the players that he did. Drafting LaVine was a good move two. There has been other decent moves too. We had a generational player in KG, but could not put a team around him. That is on McHale. Flip had some real limitations as a coach too, but did a good job as a GM.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

Would love to see this guy with the Wolves.
Maybe not with the first pick, but somehow.


http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2017/05/jordan_bells_stock_rising_at_n.html#incart_most-read_clackamascounty_article

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

There are a lot of front office people who make their best moves by not screwing up an obvious pick.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

I believe that Flip did a good job on handling Love and parlaying him for the players that he did. Drafting LaVine was a good move two. There has been other decent moves too. We had a generational player in KG, but could not put a team around him. That is on McHale. Flip had some real limitations as a coach too, but did a good job as a GM.

The Wiggins and LaVine moves still look just OK after 3 years. If we didn't
have KAT, our future would look awfully bleak right now.

The "players" we got for Love? Besides Wiggins, we got possibly the biggest #1 overall bust in NBA history and a future 1st round pick that he turned into half a season of a "didn't want to be here" Thad Young and then 5 games of Kevin Garnett.

The Bazz draft was an absolute clinic on what not to do. He had 8 players scouted while holding the 9th pick, so when the draft went exactly as everyone else planned, he went into scramble #1. Then when he moved down, everyone knew who he was targeting, so Boston was able to snipe that layer causing scramble #3 involving him drafting a guy that had been reported as being off our board and actually apologizing to the fans afterwards.

Not to mention selling a 1st round pick on a talent-starved team (a pick that was right before Utah took Gobert - a player that Flip later said he thought was a lottery talent...).

Dieng was a decent pick. Tyus was a decent pick (that we paid too much for).

The Payne trade is and was at the time inexcusable from any standpoint.

Flip wasn't a nightmare or anything, but he was still a below average GM whose best move was not screwing up the KAT pick.

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ORIGINAL: Sandman

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

I believe that Flip did a good job on handling Love and parlaying him for the players that he did. Drafting LaVine was a good move two. There has been other decent moves too. We had a generational player in KG, but could not put a team around him. That is on McHale. Flip had some real limitations as a coach too, but did a good job as a GM.

The Wiggins and LaVine moves still look just OK after 3 years. If we didn't
have KAT, our future would look awfully bleak right now.

The "players" we got for Love? Besides Wiggins, we got possibly the biggest #1 overall bust in NBA history and a future 1st round pick that he turned into half a season of a "didn't want to be here" Thad Young and then 5 games of Kevin Garnett.

The Bazz draft was an absolute clinic on what not to do. He had 8 players scouted while holding the 9th pick, so when the draft went exactly as everyone else planned, he went into scramble #1. Then when he moved down, everyone knew who he was targeting, so Boston was able to snipe that layer causing scramble #3 involving him drafting a guy that had been reported as being off our board and actually apologizing to the fans afterwards.

Not to mention selling a 1st round pick on a talent-starved team (a pick that was right before Utah took Gobert - a player that Flip later said he thought was a lottery talent...).

Dieng was a decent pick. Tyus was a decent pick (that we paid too much for).

The Payne trade is and was at the time inexcusable from any standpoint.

Flip wasn't a nightmare or anything, but he was still a below average GM whose best move was not screwing up the KAT pick.

And wasn't he within an eyelash of doing that? (drafting Okafor)

I'd call Flip a disaster. What he did in the 2013 draft can't be defended.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Sandman

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

I believe that Flip did a good job on handling Love and parlaying him for the players that he did. Drafting LaVine was a good move two. There has been other decent moves too. We had a generational player in KG, but could not put a team around him. That is on McHale. Flip had some real limitations as a coach too, but did a good job as a GM.

The Wiggins and LaVine moves still look just OK after 3 years. If we didn't
have KAT, our future would look awfully bleak right now.

The "players" we got for Love? Besides Wiggins, we got possibly the biggest #1 overall bust in NBA history and a future 1st round pick that he turned into half a season of a "didn't want to be here" Thad Young and then 5 games of Kevin Garnett.

The Bazz draft was an absolute clinic on what not to do. He had 8 players scouted while holding the 9th pick, so when the draft went exactly as everyone else planned, he went into scramble #1. Then when he moved down, everyone knew who he was targeting, so Boston was able to snipe that layer causing scramble #3 involving him drafting a guy that had been reported as being off our board and actually apologizing to the fans afterwards.

Not to mention selling a 1st round pick on a talent-starved team (a pick that was right before Utah took Gobert - a player that Flip later said he thought was a lottery talent...).

Dieng was a decent pick. Tyus was a decent pick (that we paid too much for).

The Payne trade is and was at the time inexcusable from any standpoint.

Flip wasn't a nightmare or anything, but he was still a below average GM whose best move was not screwing up the KAT pick.

And wasn't he within an eyelash of doing that? (drafting Okafor)

I'd call Flip a disaster. What he did in the 2013 draft can't be defended.

What he was rumored to almost have done doesn't mean shit. What he did is all that matters.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

There are a lot of front office people who make their best moves by not screwing up an obvious pick.

And those are the front offices that never rise beyond mediocre.

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Sandman

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

I believe that Flip did a good job on handling Love and parlaying him for the players that he did. Drafting LaVine was a good move two. There has been other decent moves too. We had a generational player in KG, but could not put a team around him. That is on McHale. Flip had some real limitations as a coach too, but did a good job as a GM.

The Wiggins and LaVine moves still look just OK after 3 years. If we didn't
have KAT, our future would look awfully bleak right now.

The "players" we got for Love? Besides Wiggins, we got possibly the biggest #1 overall bust in NBA history and a future 1st round pick that he turned into half a season of a "didn't want to be here" Thad Young and then 5 games of Kevin Garnett.

The Bazz draft was an absolute clinic on what not to do. He had 8 players scouted while holding the 9th pick, so when the draft went exactly as everyone else planned, he went into scramble #1. Then when he moved down, everyone knew who he was targeting, so Boston was able to snipe that layer causing scramble #3 involving him drafting a guy that had been reported as being off our board and actually apologizing to the fans afterwards.

Not to mention selling a 1st round pick on a talent-starved team (a pick that was right before Utah took Gobert - a player that Flip later said he thought was a lottery talent...).

Dieng was a decent pick. Tyus was a decent pick (that we paid too much for).

The Payne trade is and was at the time inexcusable from any standpoint.

Flip wasn't a nightmare or anything, but he was still a below average GM whose best move was not screwing up the KAT pick.

And wasn't he within an eyelash of doing that? (drafting Okafor)

I'd call Flip a disaster. What he did in the 2013 draft can't be defended.

What he was rumored to almost have done doesn't mean shit. What he did is all that matters.

I have to agree with you.

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

There are a lot of front office people who make their best moves by not screwing up an obvious pick.

And those are the front offices that never rise beyond mediocre.

I agree with you here. If you want to judge some one based on rumors. That is your right, but it under cuts your analysis. Any body can rumor any thing.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Sandman

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

I agree with you that the Wolves have had very bad luck in the draft. This along with incompetence in the front office. It changed with Flip. Not enough evidence to judge Thibs.

Amazing how getting the #1 overall pick in a year with a "generational" player can color ones opinion...

I believe that Flip did a good job on handling Love and parlaying him for the players that he did. Drafting LaVine was a good move two. There has been other decent moves too. We had a generational player in KG, but could not put a team around him. That is on McHale. Flip had some real limitations as a coach too, but did a good job as a GM.

The Wiggins and LaVine moves still look just OK after 3 years. If we didn't
have KAT, our future would look awfully bleak right now.

The "players" we got for Love? Besides Wiggins, we got possibly the biggest #1 overall bust in NBA history and a future 1st round pick that he turned into half a season of a "didn't want to be here" Thad Young and then 5 games of Kevin Garnett.

The Bazz draft was an absolute clinic on what not to do. He had 8 players scouted while holding the 9th pick, so when the draft went exactly as everyone else planned, he went into scramble #1. Then when he moved down, everyone knew who he was targeting, so Boston was able to snipe that layer causing scramble #3 involving him drafting a guy that had been reported as being off our board and actually apologizing to the fans afterwards.

Not to mention selling a 1st round pick on a talent-starved team (a pick that was right before Utah took Gobert - a player that Flip later said he thought was a lottery talent...).

Dieng was a decent pick. Tyus was a decent pick (that we paid too much for).

The Payne trade is and was at the time inexcusable from any standpoint.

Flip wasn't a nightmare or anything, but he was still a below average GM whose best move was not screwing up the KAT pick.

And wasn't he within an eyelash of doing that? (drafting Okafor)

I'd call Flip a disaster. What he did in the 2013 draft can't be defended.

What he was rumored to almost have done doesn't mean shit. What he did is all that matters.

I have to agree with you.

I don't.
He nearly made a disater pick.

After many mediocre picks.

We'd be worse today with him, kind of cold but very true.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

There are a lot of front office people who make their best moves by not screwing up an obvious pick.

And those are the front offices that never rise beyond mediocre.

I agree with you here. If you want to judge some one based on rumors. That is your right, but it under cuts your analysis. Any body can rumor any thing.

Is it a rumor when both the General Manager and Head Coach say it?

How about when Flip admits something on the radio?

But even without the rumored parts, the actual results speak for themselves.

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ORIGINAL: Sandman

Picking 9th, but not knowing what to do when the top 8 go off the board, and admitting as much later? Unthinkable. If Olynyk was his guy, why not take him at 9? Oh, the value argument. Whatever. If you risk not getting him by trading back, take him at 9. Period.

Flip was right to tank for Towns. I'll give him credit for that. But why would Mitchell say the night before the draft Flip was taking Okafor if it wasn't true? So many of his moves were complete head scratchers. Not stomping on his grave. Just telling it like I see it.

It was the saddest thing ever that he died, but the franchise is in so much better hands now. Not even close.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

He was a shit coach and a shit GM for a shit franchise

Only now after nearly 30 years is there a glimmer of hope.
Don't give me that Western Conference Final Crap.

Any objective obserever will tell you that the Minnesota Timberwolves have been one of the worst sports franchises ever.

Flip was a Big part of that.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

26-year Total 1989–2016 878 wins 1366 losses .391 winning percentage