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I find it amusing that the the Lakers think every FA wants to play for them and that's their method to rebuilding or re-tooling.

It used to be that way. A long, long time ago.

Have they attracted a top flight FA other than Dwight Howard since Shaq (over 20 years ago)?

Maybe I've been too hard on Kupchak.

2 titles since end of Shaq era without any marquee FAs. Not bad.

It was the Gasol trade that did it. Marc ended up being real good, but at the time of the trade Pau was far superior.

That's the thing with the Lakers in the past 20 years, as David was sort of alluding to. The Lakers' championships were orchestrated through trades, not free agency. Becuz the salary cap was lower and managed different, the Lakers couldn't just sign marquee free agents; they had money tied up in existing players. The only time they had money to spend was when they re-upped Kobe Bryant, after he flirted with joining the Clippers.

The Lakers won their three Shaq and Kobe rings, in large part to the Glen Rice trades. The 2nd two with Kobe were the result of the Shaq trade, though I thought the Ariza trade was huge in 2009.

Kupchak was masterful at trades. And it seemed easy and inevitable he'd always land another star. It just never happened after Howard. Thus began the spiral that we are now at the end of.

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I watched some of the Pacers Cavs series. Where was Paul George?

2017 Playoffs-

Jimmy Butler 22 pts 7 reb 4 assists

Paul George 28 pts 9 reb 7 assists

Neither one had great talent around them...

Butler will have two other potential all stars surrounding him and a point guard to get him the ball in the best position to shoot. George, if he signs with the Lakers will not have this. Other may sign there, but others may sign with the Wolves as well.

Defenses will take away the weapons, leaving the career 37% shooter and 31% three-point shooter wide open.

You're going to lose a lot of games leaving a 37% three-point shooter wide-open.

Butler, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng and Jones were all above league-average on catch-and-shoot 3s last year. Even Rubio hits them at ~35% (and was over 40% post ASG last year).

Commit that much defense to stopping Butler Wiggins or KAT and you'll get hurt.

Even if Rubio was as bad a shooter as Brad is trying to pretend he is it's irrelevant. Defenses can't take away all three of KAT, Butler, and Wiggins. Especially not with possibly the best passer in the NBA getting the ball to them in great offensive position.

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

I find it amusing that the the Lakers think every FA wants to play for them and that's their method to rebuilding or re-tooling.

It used to be that way. A long, long time ago.

Have they attracted a top flight FA other than Dwight Howard since Shaq (over 20 years ago)?

Maybe I've been too hard on Kupchak.

2 titles since end of Shaq era without any marquee FAs. Not bad.

It was the Gasol trade that did it. Marc ended up being real good, but at the time of the trade Pau was far superior.

That's the thing with the Lakers in the past 20 years, as David was sort of alluding to. The Lakers' championships were orchestrated through trades, not free agency. Becuz the salary cap was lower and managed different, the Lakers couldn't just sign marquee free agents; they had money tied up in existing players. The only time they had money to spend was when they re-upped Kobe Bryant, after he flirted with joining the Clippers.

The Lakers won their three Shaq and Kobe rings, in large part to the Glen Rice trades. The 2nd two with Kobe were the result of the Shaq trade, though I thought the Ariza trade was huge in 2009.

Kupchak was masterful at trades. And it seemed easy and inevitable he'd always land another star. It just never happened after Howard. Thus began the spiral that we are now at the end of.

The NBA is way different than the NFL. There is only 5-10 marquee players in any given draft (on a good year), and those at the top have to live through free agency and trade. The league is built on stars. Those with the most stars win the title.

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I find it amusing that the the Lakers think every FA wants to play for them and that's their method to rebuilding or re-tooling.

It used to be that way. A long, long time ago.

Have they attracted a top flight FA other than Dwight Howard since Shaq (over 20 years ago)?

Maybe I've been too hard on Kupchak.

2 titles since end of Shaq era without any marquee FAs. Not bad.

It was the Gasol trade that did it. Marc ended up being real good, but at the time of the trade Pau was far superior.

That's the thing with the Lakers in the past 20 years, as David was sort of alluding to. The Lakers' championships were orchestrated through trades, not free agency. Becuz the salary cap was lower and managed different, the Lakers couldn't just sign marquee free agents; they had money tied up in existing players. The only time they had money to spend was when they re-upped Kobe Bryant, after he flirted with joining the Clippers.

The Lakers won their three Shaq and Kobe rings, in large part to the Glen Rice trades. The 2nd two with Kobe were the result of the Shaq trade, though I thought the Ariza trade was huge in 2009.

Kupchak was masterful at trades. And it seemed easy and inevitable he'd always land another star. It just never happened after Howard. Thus began the spiral that we are now at the end of.

The NBA is way different than the NFL. There is only 5-10 marquee players in any given draft (on a good year), and those at the top have to live through free agency and trade. The league is built on stars. Those with the most stars win the title.

You have a very low definition of "marquee".

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: shakeywalton

I find it amusing that the the Lakers think every FA wants to play for them and that's their method to rebuilding or re-tooling.

It used to be that way. A long, long time ago.

Have they attracted a top flight FA other than Dwight Howard since Shaq (over 20 years ago)?

Maybe I've been too hard on Kupchak.

2 titles since end of Shaq era without any marquee FAs. Not bad.

It was the Gasol trade that did it. Marc ended up being real good, but at the time of the trade Pau was far superior.

That's the thing with the Lakers in the past 20 years, as David was sort of alluding to. The Lakers' championships were orchestrated through trades, not free agency. Becuz the salary cap was lower and managed different, the Lakers couldn't just sign marquee free agents; they had money tied up in existing players. The only time they had money to spend was when they re-upped Kobe Bryant, after he flirted with joining the Clippers.

The Lakers won their three Shaq and Kobe rings, in large part to the Glen Rice trades. The 2nd two with Kobe were the result of the Shaq trade, though I thought the Ariza trade was huge in 2009.

Kupchak was masterful at trades. And it seemed easy and inevitable he'd always land another star. It just never happened after Howard. Thus began the spiral that we are now at the end of.

I guess that might all hold water if the biggest piece to the puzzle (Shaq) weren't acquired through free agency...

However, that was one instance 20 years ago.

Kobe is the most recent. There was a real nervousness he was leaving the Lakers.

Yes. You kept your own FA (that you could offer WAY more money to than anyone else). Welcome to the NBA....

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I find it amusing that the the Lakers think every FA wants to play for them and that's their method to rebuilding or re-tooling.

It used to be that way. A long, long time ago.

Have they attracted a top flight FA other than Dwight Howard since Shaq (over 20 years ago)?

Maybe I've been too hard on Kupchak.

2 titles since end of Shaq era without any marquee FAs. Not bad.

It was the Gasol trade that did it. Marc ended up being real good, but at the time of the trade Pau was far superior.

That's the thing with the Lakers in the past 20 years, as David was sort of alluding to. The Lakers' championships were orchestrated through trades, not free agency. Becuz the salary cap was lower and managed different, the Lakers couldn't just sign marquee free agents; they had money tied up in existing players. The only time they had money to spend was when they re-upped Kobe Bryant, after he flirted with joining the Clippers.

The Lakers won their three Shaq and Kobe rings, in large part to the Glen Rice trades. The 2nd two with Kobe were the result of the Shaq trade, though I thought the Ariza trade was huge in 2009.

Kupchak was masterful at trades. And it seemed easy and inevitable he'd always land another star. It just never happened after Howard. Thus began the spiral that we are now at the end of.

I guess that might all hold water if the biggest piece to the puzzle (Shaq) weren't acquired through free agency...

However, that was one instance 20 years ago.

Kobe is the most recent. There was a real nervousness he was leaving the Lakers.

Yes. You kept your own FA (that you could offer WAY more money to than anyone else). Welcome to the NBA....

You DO know he almost left, right. The thought was he would be immortal if he won a championship with the Clippers.

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I find it amusing that the the Lakers think every FA wants to play for them and that's their method to rebuilding or re-tooling.

It used to be that way. A long, long time ago.

Have they attracted a top flight FA other than Dwight Howard since Shaq (over 20 years ago)?

Maybe I've been too hard on Kupchak.

2 titles since end of Shaq era without any marquee FAs. Not bad.

It was the Gasol trade that did it. Marc ended up being real good, but at the time of the trade Pau was far superior.

That's the thing with the Lakers in the past 20 years, as David was sort of alluding to. The Lakers' championships were orchestrated through trades, not free agency. Becuz the salary cap was lower and managed different, the Lakers couldn't just sign marquee free agents; they had money tied up in existing players. The only time they had money to spend was when they re-upped Kobe Bryant, after he flirted with joining the Clippers.

The Lakers won their three Shaq and Kobe rings, in large part to the Glen Rice trades. The 2nd two with Kobe were the result of the Shaq trade, though I thought the Ariza trade was huge in 2009.

Kupchak was masterful at trades. And it seemed easy and inevitable he'd always land another star. It just never happened after Howard. Thus began the spiral that we are now at the end of.

I guess that might all hold water if the biggest piece to the puzzle (Shaq) weren't acquired through free agency...

However, that was one instance 20 years ago.

Kobe is the most recent. There was a real nervousness he was leaving the Lakers.

Yes. You kept your own FA (that you could offer WAY more money to than anyone else). Welcome to the NBA....

You DO know he almost left, right. The thought was he would be immortal if he won a championship with the Clippers.

Yes. You ALMOST but DIDN'T lose a FA. He decided to take the extra money and stay.

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David and I agree on some basketball things to a point and disagree on others, but in both instances, we are looking at alot of it from a different philosophical viewpoint. So even if we agree, it seems like we dont.

And I don't think he's being rude at all.

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David and I agree on some basketball things to a point and disagree on others, but in both instances, we are looking at alot of it from a different philosophical viewpoint.

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If BS was electricity, you two would be power houses.

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We have waived Jordan Hill, but that comes as no surprise. Others will certainly follow. I was going to say, I expected Payne to be announced, but he is a free agent, so no announcement is necessary.

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We have waived Jordan Hill, but that comes as no surprise. Others will certainly follow. I was going to say, I expected Payne to be announced, but he is a free agent, so no announcement is necessary.

Don't they still have to waive his rights to clear him off the books? I thought he got carried on the books at something like 120% of last year's salary until they do.

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Then I don't see any reason not to waive all four and free up the $16+ million.

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Then I don't see any reason not to waive all four and free up the $16+ million.

They might need them for trades yet. Outside chance we keep Casspi?

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Then I don't see any reason not to waive all four and free up the $16+ million.

They might need them for trades yet. Outside chance we keep Casspi?

Not sure how we'd need them for trades - clearing their cap space would have the same result as sending them out in a deal.

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Then I don't see any reason not to waive all four and free up the $16+ million.

They might need them for trades yet. Outside chance we keep Casspi?

Not sure how we'd need them for trades - clearing their cap space would have the same result as sending them out in a deal.

What if we don't want to take back extra salary in a trade offer and the other team is over the cap? Throw in Casspi, Payne, etc. to make it work.

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Casspi sure seems like a deal at 1.4 unless he has lost all his skills recently.