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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/16/2017 10:28:50 PM

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Not sure there's that big of a difference in talent from 7-15 in this draft is there?

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/16/2017 10:29:15 PM

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Isaac there at 7...?

Lets hope.
Or take Jordan Bell and never regret it.

If Isaac is gone, I'd be on the phone with Portland about a 7 for 15 and 20 swap. Grab OG at 15 and Bell at 20 (or even 26 if they balk at 20).

Thought I proposed that a few weeks ago?

You might have. I'd only do it if Isaac is gone - and I'd still be nervous about someone grabbing OG before 15.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/16/2017 10:33:43 PM

David Levine

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Not sure there's that big of a difference in talent from 7-15 in this draft is there?

I think there is.

Guys like Isaac, Smith, Fox, Monk, Collins, Markkanen and Ntilikina are probably a clear tier above the next batch. I think there is a pretty solid drop off after the Top 8-10 guys overall.

At 7 you're pretty much guaranteed one of Isaac, Fox or Monk. That's pretty huge, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of Fox or (especially) Monk for the Wolves.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/16/2017 10:49:18 PM

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I hate to wait on 3 rookies to pan out in our situation, so I wouldn't object to giving up #20 if Olshey actually really liked someone that early.

I'm pretty sure we're gonna trade at least one of our three. Prolly go big, and a SF....

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/16/2017 11:16:35 PM

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Isaac there at 7...?

I think he will be.

It'll come down to Isaac, Markkanen or Monk

Living in Arizona I've seen enough of Markkanen and never hope to see him again. I don't know if I would even draft him if he fell to the second round and we had a pick.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 5:48:10 AM

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Isaac there at 7...?

I think so.

Looks like Fultz will probably end up a Bull, Lakers will take Ball (heh).

DX currently has:

3: Jackson
4: Tatum
5: Fox
6: Monk
7: Isaac

Which all seem reasonable.

How does Fultz end up a Bull?

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 6:42:27 AM

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Isaac there at 7...?

I think so.

Looks like Fultz will probably end up a Bull, Lakers will take Ball (heh).

DX currently has:

3: Jackson
4: Tatum
5: Fox
6: Monk
7: Isaac

Which all seem reasonable.

How does Fultz end up a Bull?

If the Celtics are looking for a quick way to boost their championship prospects, the obvious choice would be to trade the pick for a star. They have been linked to both George and Butler in the past, and this asset could be exactly what Ainge needs to pull off an ideal trade

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2017/05/now-that-celtics-have-no-1-pick-in-nba-draft-heres-what-they-should-do/

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 8:18:19 AM

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If Wiggins and Dunn would've been the asking price, Thibs would've jumped all over it.

I don't agree with that. Especially when you look at Wiggins/Dunn contract situations and how long we can expect to keep them here compared to Butler.

We would've been trading for a 26 year-old Butler with 3 well under market value years remaining on his contract.

Wiggins will be making more than Butler on the contract he signs this coming season!

But he'll still be here.

Doesn't Butler have a player option after the 2017-2018 season (Next Season)?

If you're so afraid of losing guys that you don't think 3 years is enough to convince them to stay, you should just shut it down. Especially when you consider how much Butler LOVES Thibs.

And Butler's player option is after 2018-19. (Which is when you give him his first ever Max contract and lock him up through age 33 - where he'll still be in his prime).

I still wouldn't trade Wiggins and Dunn for him today.... or last off-season.

I would have in a humming bird's heart beat. You always want to come out of a trade with the best player. And the Wolves would have come away with the best player, just entering his prime and under team control for 3 years. That's really a no brainer.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 9:07:23 AM

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I think I'm all lotteried out. I'm not excited about nurturing any of the potential 7 picks. This might be the year to trade down or out. Add some more veteran presence and let the young core we already have develop some more.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 9:10:07 AM

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I think I'm all lotteried out. I'm not excited about nurturing any of the potential 7 picks. This might be the year to trade down or out. Add some more veteran presence and let the young core we already have develop some more.

Not a bad idea.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 9:34:04 AM

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SI has the Wolves taking Markannen. Here is the write up on him.

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LAURI MARKKANEN
F | FRESHMAN | ARIZONA
SI BIG BOARD: NO. 11
Difference of opinion on Markkanen is in most cases tied more to his floor than his ceiling — his ability to shoot the basketball at his size (and do it in a variety of situations) gives him a ton of long-term upside. Talents like that are hard to find. For what it’s worth, he seriously faded shooting the three-ball down the stretch, which maybe had something to do with Allonzo Trier’s return altering the offense a bit. Some of those performances shed light on what he does when not sinking threes, and the answer wasn’t usually pretty — he doesn’t block or alter shots on a regular basis, was not as consistent a rebounder as you’d like for a 7-footer, and has a high center of gravity that makes it difficult for him to stay with athletic forwards. He’s not strong enough right now to bang consistently with bigs. The player you’re getting is likely somewhere in the middle, able to change games as a scorer but vulnerable in certain defensive situations and an occasional liability on the glass.

I don't get how they can have that negative of a write up and still have us taking him.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 9:57:28 AM

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Isaac there at 7...?

I think so.

Looks like Fultz will probably end up a Bull, Lakers will take Ball (heh).

DX currently has:

3: Jackson
4: Tatum
5: Fox
6: Monk
7: Isaac

Which all seem reasonable.

How does Fultz end up a Bull?

By Jimmy Butler becoming a Celtic.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 10:21:03 AM

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Isaac there at 7...?

I think so.

Looks like Fultz will probably end up a Bull, Lakers will take Ball (heh).

DX currently has:

3: Jackson
4: Tatum
5: Fox
6: Monk
7: Isaac

Which all seem reasonable.

How does Fultz end up a Bull?

By Jimmy Butler becoming a Celtic.

I've never seen Fultz play, but the reports I have read make Fultz for Butler seem like a reasonable deal.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 3:06:23 PM

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Jonathan Givony ✔ @DraftExpress
Word out of LA is Lonzo Ball is heavy favorite at #2, but will take a long hard look at De'Aaron Fox too. Hoping for a head to head workout.
7:11 AM - 17 May 2017

3 thoughts:

1. I'd absolutely take Fox over Ball. I wouldn't take either at #2.

2. Fox/Russell is potentially an intriguing combination. Ball/Russell is potentially an intriguing dumpster fire.

3. I will literally laugh my ass off when LaVar goes apeshit over the Lakers passing on his kid.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 3:35:01 PM

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If you believe the draft mocks every one I've seen has Isaac available to us if we want him.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 3:36:01 PM

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Jonathan Givony ✔ @DraftExpress
Word out of LA is Lonzo Ball is heavy favorite at #2, but will take a long hard look at De'Aaron Fox too. Hoping for a head to head workout.
7:11 AM - 17 May 2017

3 thoughts:

1. I'd absolutely take Fox over Ball. I wouldn't take either at #2.

2. Fox/Russell is potentially an intriguing combination. Ball/Russell is potentially an intriguing dumpster fire.

3. I will literally laugh my ass off when LaVar goes apeshit over the Lakers passing on his kid.

I think everybody would love to see the Lakers pass on Ball.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 3:59:59 PM

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Jonathan Givony ✔ @DraftExpress
Word out of LA is Lonzo Ball is heavy favorite at #2, but will take a long hard look at De'Aaron Fox too. Hoping for a head to head workout.
7:11 AM - 17 May 2017

3 thoughts:

1. I'd absolutely take Fox over Ball. I wouldn't take either at #2.

2. Fox/Russell is potentially an intriguing combination. Ball/Russell is potentially an intriguing dumpster fire.

3. I will literally laugh my ass off when LaVar goes apeshit over the Lakers passing on his kid.

I think everybody would love to see the Lakers pass on Ball.

It would be funny but Magic sees way too much of himself in Lonzo. No way they pass.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:15:25 PM

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Jonathan Givony ✔ @DraftExpress
Word out of LA is Lonzo Ball is heavy favorite at #2, but will take a long hard look at De'Aaron Fox too. Hoping for a head to head workout.
7:11 AM - 17 May 2017

3 thoughts:

1. I'd absolutely take Fox over Ball. I wouldn't take either at #2.

2. Fox/Russell is potentially an intriguing combination. Ball/Russell is potentially an intriguing dumpster fire.

3. I will literally laugh my ass off when LaVar goes apeshit over the Lakers passing on his kid.

I think everybody would love to see the Lakers pass on Ball.

It would be funny but Magic sees way too much of himself in Lonzo. No way they pass.

I really want the Lakers to take him.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:22:42 PM

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Honest question ... has an org ever set themselves up as well as this current Celtic org has?
Already competing (kinda) .. and absolutely loaded with picks and cap room, and everything.
Is Danny Ainge a genius or what?

And yes, it pains me to say this and see this.

(while SteveO is loving it)

I know we here in MN would screw it up somehow, not so sure they will.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:26:28 PM

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Jonathan Givony ✔ @DraftExpress
Word out of LA is Lonzo Ball is heavy favorite at #2, but will take a long hard look at De'Aaron Fox too. Hoping for a head to head workout.
7:11 AM - 17 May 2017

3 thoughts:

1. I'd absolutely take Fox over Ball. I wouldn't take either at #2.

2. Fox/Russell is potentially an intriguing combination. Ball/Russell is potentially an intriguing dumpster fire.

3. I will literally laugh my ass off when LaVar goes apeshit over the Lakers passing on his kid.

I think everybody would love to see the Lakers pass on Ball.

It would be funny but Magic sees way too much of himself in Lonzo. No way they pass.

I really want the Lakers to take him.

If Lakers get can get George and Ball, they will make playoffs before Wolves do.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:32:34 PM

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Honest question ... has an org ever set themselves up as well as this current Celtic org has?
Already competing (kinda) .. and absolutely loaded with picks and cap room, and everything.
Is Danny Ainge a genius or what?

And yes, it pains me to say this and see this.

(while SteveO is loving it)

I know we here in MN would screw it up somehow, not so sure they will.

He was a genius for targeting an impatient owner(Russian guy for Nets) who didn't understand basketball.

Jerry West used to take advantage of situations like this with the Lakers. Someone(Jim Buss?) made the great decision to get rid of him and now he helped turn GS into a champion.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:33:41 PM

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Honest question ... has an org ever set themselves up as well as this current Celtic org has?
Already competing (kinda) .. and absolutely loaded with picks and cap room, and everything.
Is Danny Ainge a genius or what?

And yes, it pains me to say this and see this.

(while SteveO is loving it)

I know we here in MN would screw it up somehow, not so sure they will.

Ever since he fleeced his good buddy McHale (how the hell did he trade for KG without giving up any of his best assets?), he's been committing robbery left and right.

-They got Isaiah Thomas for Marcus Thornton and a late 1st round pick.
-They got Jae Crowder and a mid 1st round pick for a disgruntled Rondo.
-They got last year's #3 pick, this year's #1 overall pick AND next year's Nets #1 pick for the 37 and 36 year old corpses of KG and Paul Pierce.
-He found one of the best young coaches in the game and smartly locked him up for 6 years - even though he was totally unproven.

The only thing holding them back at all is Ainge's spotty at best drafting.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:36:37 PM

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Jonathan Givony ✔ @DraftExpress
Word out of LA is Lonzo Ball is heavy favorite at #2, but will take a long hard look at De'Aaron Fox too. Hoping for a head to head workout.
7:11 AM - 17 May 2017

3 thoughts:

1. I'd absolutely take Fox over Ball. I wouldn't take either at #2.

2. Fox/Russell is potentially an intriguing combination. Ball/Russell is potentially an intriguing dumpster fire.

3. I will literally laugh my ass off when LaVar goes apeshit over the Lakers passing on his kid.

I think everybody would love to see the Lakers pass on Ball.

It would be funny but Magic sees way too much of himself in Lonzo. No way they pass.

I really want the Lakers to take him.

If Lakers get can get George and Ball, they will make playoffs before Wolves do.

I'm not so sure. If they do it would be a hell of an accomplishment for George. I don't like much the Lakers would have around him.

(I also think any trade for George will be built around the #2 pick.)

Plus its way to early to guess about the offseason. I think the Wolves have a decent shot at the Playoffs this year.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:37:02 PM

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(have to get some rubs in here ..)
So, now, the Celts are thinking ... just one guy, we are just one guy away ....
Guess who they think of?
Gordon Hayward.
Hmmm.
No bigger Hayward lover than this cat. Just sayin ... hmmm.

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RE: 2017 NBA Draft - 5/17/2017 4:41:27 PM

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(have to get some rubs in here ..)
So, now, the Celts are thinking ... just one guy, we are just one guy away ....
Guess who they think of?
Gordon Hayward.
Hmmm.
No bigger Hayward lover than this cat. Just sayin ... hmmm.

They've been heavily rumored to be going after Hayward hard in free agency for years now.

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