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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2018 11:23:20 PM   
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2015 3rd down conversion by pass: MIN #31
2017 3rd down conversion by pass: MIN #11


How do those numbers breakdown if you just isolate the 4th quarter ?

It seemed like Teddy (despite horrible OL play), was good at 3rd downs in the 4th quarter. Is that true, or more of an exaggerated or inaccurate memory ?


The numbers are all in a post a couple pages back.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 9:51:53 AM   
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The numbers posted are too much.

I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:00:16 AM   
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The numbers posted are too much.
I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?


You are talking about a healthy Teddy in 2015 versus a Teddy in 2018 who hasn't played in 2 years.....makes it a non topic for me until we see a healthy Teddy that can play at the 2015 level even. Hard to believe he will be equal to the 2015 Teddy at this point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:07:04 AM   
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The numbers posted are too much.

I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?


DOWN = 3 OVERALL 88 132 1,043 66.7 7.90 52 7 3 17 98.8 19 134 7.1 18 2
3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go 35 52 377 67.3 7.25 133 0 2 9 72.4 6 49 8.2 39 1
3rd (or 4th) down and 3-8 yards to go 46 70 564 65.7 8.06 189 6 1 9 113.0 10 80 8.0 47 0
3rd (or 4th) down and 1-2 yards to go 8 14 104 57.1 7.43 50 1 0 0 104.5 5 8 1.6 9 2
DOWN = 3 TO GO 1-2 8 13 104 61.5 8.00 50 1 0 0 112.3 3 5 1.7 7 1
DOWN = 3 TO GO 3-7 36 57 456 63.2 8.00 165 6 1 6 115.8 7 57 8.1 38 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO 8-10 23 33 288 69.7 8.73 61 0 1 6 83.9 6 56 9.3 32 1
DOWN = 3 TO GO 11+ 21 29 195 72.4 6.72 94 0 1 5 76.1 3 16 5.3 16 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO <6 32 48 368 66.7 7.67 130 4 1 3 108.7 7 47 6.7 33 1
DOWN = 3 TO GO 6+ 56 84 675 66.7 8.04 240 3 2 14 93.1 12 87 7.3 60 1

QUARTER = 3 55 78 603 70.5 7.73 36 2 2 5 90.9 12 89 7.4 18 1
QUARTER = 4 73 110 820 66.4 7.46 40 3 2 14 90.0 19 45 2.4 19 1


So 3rd down was Teddy's best down 98.8 passer rating, the 3rd and 4th quarters were his best quarters 90.9 and 90.1

Maybe you can extrapolate from that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:08:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marty
The numbers posted are too much.
I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?


You are talking about a healthy Teddy in 2015 versus a Teddy in 2018 who hasn't played in 2 years.....makes it a non topic for me until we see a healthy Teddy that can play at the 2015 level even. Hard to believe he will be equal to the 2015 Teddy at this point.


He may just need to knock of the rust, 25 years old vs Case 30 years old.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:15:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: marty
The numbers posted are too much.
I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?


You are talking about a healthy Teddy in 2015 versus a Teddy in 2018 who hasn't played in 2 years.....makes it a non topic for me until we see a healthy Teddy that can play at the 2015 level even. Hard to believe he will be equal to the 2015 Teddy at this point.


He may just need to knock of the rust, 25 years old vs Case 30 years old.



From ALL accounts his arm is significantly stronger.

I’d love to see Teddy come back, but in no way would I rest the majority of our hopes on him, and Sloter alone.

Whoever you want to add to those two I’d be willing to listen. Prolly a short deal with Case would make the most sense.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:21:20 AM   
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Sloter is a nobody. One year of college at a small school. 72 rushes for 32 yards, a 0.4 average. This from a converted WR. A 'rush' once for every 4-5 pass attempts. I'm thinking he couldn't make anything happen 72 times that year and did the Bradford curl albeit with some relative athleticism. Maybe the TJack jump pass.

One game in an exhibition game then was cut... to make room for who is anybody's guess.

Find a Keenum II type!


He's a project. He played in all four exhibition games.

As to his "rushing stats" - sacks count against your rushing totals in college.

I think he showed some potential, but judge for yourself;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8LF2y7JOi0



Yeah have a few friends in Denver, they were beside themselves that Elway waived Sloter.

Said he was the best QB on their squad. Not close.

Vikes had to out bid numerous other teams to get Sloter, and then pay him an obscene amount just to practice squad him (Probably the highest paid practice squader ever)

All that being said, he’s simply a great guy to POSSIBLY develop.



Same here, knowledgeable friends in Denver.
Not really fair to say he played one year of QB in College without als ,saying he played three years of WR, speaks to the athleticism.

I just have a good feeling.
We need a break or lightning strike at QB. We’re due for that.


Living in Denver, imo there is truth to both sides. Paxton Lynch was hurt in pre-season, but wasn't hurt bad enough to go on IR (only supposed to miss a 2-4 games). Elway did not want to go into the season with Siemian and only Sloter as the back-up. He signed Oswieller because he knew the system, was cheap (Browns paying all but league minimum). That left roster issues. Couldn't IR Lynch. It was cut Lynch a 1st rounder/Sloter or carry 4 QBs. He cut Sloter and tried to re-sign him. My understanding, Broncos tried aggressively to keep him.

Sloter as WR caught 8 for 112 and 1 TD for his college career. I'm not sure how much that speak to his athleticism. I wouldn't say it discounts it but....

From what I read/saw/heard he obviously has talent, but is very raw. Needs to refine mechanics. I also don't think anyone knows how well he reads defenses, decision making process, etc. The stuff that kills a lot of QB careers.

I loved that MN was this aggressive signing him. And they must see enough in him in meetings/practices/etc to keep him, had a chance to flip him for draft choices.

Be interesting to see how he develops, from where I'm sitting, he's a couple year project. I wouldn't feel comfortable going into a season with him as primary back-up

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:30:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty
The numbers posted are too much.
I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?


You are talking about a healthy Teddy in 2015 versus a Teddy in 2018 who hasn't played in 2 years.....makes it a non topic for me until we see a healthy Teddy that can play at the 2015 level even. Hard to believe he will be equal to the 2015 Teddy at this point.


He may just need to knock of the rust, 25 years old vs Case 30 years old.

He needs to knock off the rust, get back physically to where he was pre-injury - which may or may not be possible in terms of mobility, and THEN he needs to raise the level of his game to reach the level of QB play last season.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:36:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Sloter is a nobody. One year of college at a small school. 72 rushes for 32 yards, a 0.4 average. This from a converted WR. A 'rush' once for every 4-5 pass attempts. I'm thinking he couldn't make anything happen 72 times that year and did the Bradford curl albeit with some relative athleticism. Maybe the TJack jump pass.

One game in an exhibition game then was cut... to make room for who is anybody's guess.

Find a Keenum II type!


He's a project. He played in all four exhibition games.

As to his "rushing stats" - sacks count against your rushing totals in college.

I think he showed some potential, but judge for yourself;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8LF2y7JOi0



Yeah have a few friends in Denver, they were beside themselves that Elway waived Sloter.

Said he was the best QB on their squad. Not close.

Vikes had to out bid numerous other teams to get Sloter, and then pay him an obscene amount just to practice squad him (Probably the highest paid practice squader ever)

All that being said, he’s simply a great guy to POSSIBLY develop.



Same here, knowledgeable friends in Denver.
Not really fair to say he played one year of QB in College without als ,saying he played three years of WR, speaks to the athleticism.

I just have a good feeling.
We need a break or lightning strike at QB. We’re due for that.


Living in Denver, imo there is truth to both sides. Paxton Lynch was hurt in pre-season, but wasn't hurt bad enough to go on IR (only supposed to miss a 2-4 games). Elway did not want to go into the season with Siemian and only Sloter as the back-up. He signed Oswieller because he knew the system, was cheap (Browns paying all but league minimum). That left roster issues. Couldn't IR Lynch. It was cut Lynch a 1st rounder/Sloter or carry 4 QBs. He cut Sloter and tried to re-sign him. My understanding, Broncos tried aggressively to keep him.

Sloter as WR caught 8 for 112 and 1 TD for his college career. I'm not sure how much that speak to his athleticism. I wouldn't say it discounts it but....

From what I read/saw/heard he obviously has talent, but is very raw. Needs to refine mechanics. I also don't think anyone knows how well he reads defenses, decision making process, etc. The stuff that kills a lot of QB careers.

I loved that MN was this aggressive signing him. And they must see enough in him in meetings/practices/etc to keep him, had a chance to flip him for draft choices.

Be interesting to see how he develops, from where I'm sitting, he's a couple year project. I wouldn't feel comfortable going into a season with him as primary back-up



Agreed on all accounts.

FWIW I’d never heard of him before

One day my phone started blowing up with texts about how we stole their QBOTF from a few friends in Denver (One who use to play for the Broncos) people who’s opinion I respect.

Saw some film, he looks the part at least physically. A perfect developmental QB IMO. NO MORE NO LESS.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 10:57:03 AM   
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Sloters knee isn't arthritic, his leg isn't in danger of falling off, and he's not coming off a horrific playoff debacle.
Might be the prettiest girl in town at the moment.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 11:01:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty
The numbers posted are too much.
I'm simply asking for what Teddy did on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, any idea ?


You are talking about a healthy Teddy in 2015 versus a Teddy in 2018 who hasn't played in 2 years.....makes it a non topic for me until we see a healthy Teddy that can play at the 2015 level even. Hard to believe he will be equal to the 2015 Teddy at this point.


He may just need to knock of the rust, 25 years old vs Case 30 years old.



From ALL accounts his arm is significantly stronger.

I’d love to see Teddy come back, but in no way would I rest the majority of our hopes on him, and Sloter alone.

Whoever you want to add to those two I’d be willing to listen. Prolly a short deal with Case would make the most sense.



we could give bradford $9, keenum $7m and bridgewater $4m and add healthy incentives to each deal so that whoever wins the starter position and/or plays in the games gets more money - figuring that we'd be paying about $25m overall for our quarterbacks...and we also keep sloter...perhaps we trade one of the top three after/during preseason so we're not carrying four on the final 53....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 11:16:37 AM   
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Brees/Smith/Cousins at $22-25 million and Teddy at $4 million and/or Sloter at peanuts would be my goal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 11:17:43 AM   
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Teddy has to understand he's going to be treated like an unproven albeit first-round rookie again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 12:14:25 PM   
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Teddy is #2, Slotter is #3

I think those should be in place no matter who is #1. If some team is dumb enough to offer Bridgewater starter money you let him walk. If Teddy is even a free agent with the Toll status.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 12:32:40 PM   
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Sloters knee isn't arthritic, his leg isn't in danger of falling off, and he's not coming off a horrific playoff debacle.
Might be the prettiest girl in town at the moment.

Technically, he's the only girl in town at the moment

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 12:47:16 PM   
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Brees/Smith/Cousins at $22-25 million and Teddy at $4 million and/or Sloter at peanuts would be my goal.



i like your program better...i was hoping spielman would trade for brees when teddy went down - i wonder if it could have happened if we offered two 1st rounders...remember, new orleans looked like they were in rebuilding mode at that time....

i don't think that brees leaves the saints now....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 1:01:18 PM   
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Sloters knee isn't arthritic, his leg isn't in danger of falling off, and he's not coming off a horrific playoff debacle.
Might be the prettiest girl in town at the moment.

Technically, he's the only girl in town at the moment


well, technically they are still under until the end of the league year



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 1:37:06 PM   
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Sign Case to a 3 year deal as the starter. Teddy to a 2 year deal as he backup. Option the third year for Case. If Teddy emerges Case becomes a trade-able asset or Teddy might.

Bradford has missed 3 complete seasons in his career. David F mentions Brees, if that becomes a possibility how fast can we get him but reality is he is a Saint.

Smith will cost a draft pick/s. Unsure about Cousins. Why is Washington letting him walk? Puts up numbers but is going to cost too much comparable to Case.

I like the team's chemistry. Case earned it in my eyes. No way am I tolling Bridgewater- insulting- he was injury from starting this season. He was active and the backup. Unless he is done and they keep him one more year out of respect. The hit is minimal.

With Teddy how do you determine is market value. If tolled his contract is 1.354M which is a great deal for the Vikings. Maybe that is his market value.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 1:57:01 PM   
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Sign Case to a 3 year deal as the starter. Teddy to a 2 year deal as he backup. Option the third year for Case. If Teddy emerges Case becomes a trade-able asset or Teddy might.

Bradford has missed 3 complete seasons in his career. David F mentions Brees, if that becomes a possibility how fast can we get him but reality is he is a Saint.

Smith will cost a draft pick/s. Unsure about Cousins. Why is Washington letting him walk? Puts up numbers but is going to cost too much comparable to Case.

I like the team's chemistry. Case earned it in my eyes. No way am I tolling Bridgewater- insulting- he was injury from starting this season. He was active and the backup. Unless he is done and they keep him one more year out of respect. The hit is minimal.

With Teddy how do you determine is market value. If tolled his contract is 1.354M which is a great deal for the Vikings. Maybe that is his market value.



i do not feel comfortable with keenum and teddy...i really think it's important to get the best quarterback that we possibly can...if it costs us a 1st round, so be it...i think we can get smith for a 2nd or less....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 2:00:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

Sign Case to a 3 year deal as the starter. Teddy to a 2 year deal as he backup. Option the third year for Case. If Teddy emerges Case becomes a trade-able asset or Teddy might.

Bradford has missed 3 complete seasons in his career. David F mentions Brees, if that becomes a possibility how fast can we get him but reality is he is a Saint.

Smith will cost a draft pick/s. Unsure about Cousins. Why is Washington letting him walk? Puts up numbers but is going to cost too much comparable to Case.

I like the team's chemistry. Case earned it in my eyes. No way am I tolling Bridgewater- insulting- he was injury from starting this season. He was active and the backup. Unless he is done and they keep him one more year out of respect. The hit is minimal.

With Teddy how do you determine is market value. If tolled his contract is 1.354M which is a great deal for the Vikings. Maybe that is his market value.



i do not feel comfortable with keenum and teddy...i really think it's important to get the best quarterback that we possibly can...if it costs us a 1st round, so be it...i think we can get smith for a 2nd or less....


I would be okay drafting Lamar Jackson and letting Teddy walk. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Kapernick after he had to sit out a year and now has something to prove.....lots of options.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 2:38:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

Sign Case to a 3 year deal as the starter. Teddy to a 2 year deal as he backup. Option the third year for Case. If Teddy emerges Case becomes a trade-able asset or Teddy might.

Bradford has missed 3 complete seasons in his career. David F mentions Brees, if that becomes a possibility how fast can we get him but reality is he is a Saint.

Smith will cost a draft pick/s. Unsure about Cousins. Why is Washington letting him walk? Puts up numbers but is going to cost too much comparable to Case.

I like the team's chemistry. Case earned it in my eyes. No way am I tolling Bridgewater- insulting- he was injury from starting this season. He was active and the backup. Unless he is done and they keep him one more year out of respect. The hit is minimal.

With Teddy how do you determine is market value. If tolled his contract is 1.354M which is a great deal for the Vikings. Maybe that is his market value.



i do not feel comfortable with keenum and teddy...i really think it's important to get the best quarterback that we possibly can...if it costs us a 1st round, so be it...i think we can get smith for a 2nd or less....



I do feel comfortable with Case. No comment on Teddy- just not enough info- but no not comfortable with him starting Smith is a 20.6M (3.6 dead- unsure who is on the hook if there is a trade) cap hit plus a draft pick - we are not the only team interested it will take our first which is 30 overall. A Smith might be a Brown with the current GM there who traded for Smith while in KC.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 2:49:10 PM   
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John Sullivan rated highly, here. Cody Whitehair apparently had a bad year. Our guy, Elflein was rated so so.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754255-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-centers-of-2017-season?share=other

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 3:17:03 PM   
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Just curious if anybody knows how long the Vikings season ticket waiting list is?

If you wanted a couple of tickets in the highest section is there still a PSL to pay?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 3:33:58 PM   
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Just curious if anybody knows how long the Vikings season ticket waiting list is?

If you wanted a couple of tickets in the highest section is there still a PSL to pay?



I don't know about the length of the wait list but I know there isn't an SBL for the high-up seats.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2018 3:39:49 PM   
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Oh hell its gonna be a long haul to August....

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