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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 10:48:57 AM   
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I know that Brady was a backup for the most part at Michigan, but in college most players start as backups. Very few of them are starters for all four seasons.

If you see here by his stats, Brady threw for 638 pass attempts, mostly in just his junior and senior years.

Brady played a key role in a dramatic bowl win after his fourth season, but he also performed poorly in his combine and Pro Day workouts. I believe that was the main reason he slipped so much in his draft.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1.html



I'd like to work (First name unknown) Sloter into this Brady-exclusive post.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 10:52:21 AM   
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Too lazy to Google Sloter's first name. Heretofore, he is Tom Sloter. Steve Sloter also has a ring to it, ala Steve Stunning for those with the Sloter love.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 11:05:40 AM   
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Boy, this party really died.



Understatement of the year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 11:16:43 AM   
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Boy, this party really died.



Understatement of the year.



I don't know about the length of the wait list but I know there isn't an SBL for the high-up seats.

Better?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 12:28:40 PM  1 votes
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Too lazy to Google Sloter's first name. Heretofore, he is Tom Sloter. Steve Sloter also has a ring to it, ala Steve Stunning for those with the Sloter love.





Trying to make up for the loss of Hoiseth are we?

Pointing out how one city (Denver) went all Tyler Thigpen after they didn’t retain Kyle Sloter, and how the Vikings upped their ante to outbid quite a few other teams is called “Sloter love” then yes I’m uproachiing boy band crush status.

On the other hand Sloter May never even uproach the status of a Steve Dils?

Good looking prospect nothing more nothing less..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 12:31:57 PM   
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I am optmistic for Kyle Sloter simply for wanting a QB who is not a retread.

Keenum
Bradford
Favre
Moon
McMahon
Cunningham


Too many old guys in that group.

Add in Ponder, Bridge, Culpepper and Jackson and you’re looking at 30+ years of whiffs.

The only QB of that entire group I really liked was Brad Johnson.
If you look at Sloter, he has similar size, makeup and BJ was drafted later than is now possible.

So it’s not me chasing waterfalls, it’s really just wanting to try something different.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 12:37:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Too lazy to Google Sloter's first name. Heretofore, he is Tom Sloter. Steve Sloter also has a ring to it, ala Steve Stunning for those with the Sloter love.





Trying to make up for the loss of Hoiseth are we?

Pointing out how one city (Denver) went all Tyler Thigpen after they didn’t retain Kyle Sloter, and how the Vikings upped their ante to outbid quite a few other teams is called “Sloter love” then yes I’m uproachiing boy band crush status.

On the other hand Sloter May never even uproach the status of a Steve Dils?

Good looking prospect nothing more nothing less..



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 1:07:10 PM   
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Disappointed Vikings channel energy into Pro Bowl

So we have that going for us, which is, ya know ...nice.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 1:32:01 PM   
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I like how we started this past season revamping the offensive line with a new scheme (zone blocking) and connecting it to the strengths of the personnel that we have. We acquired a running back via free agency and one by the draft that complemented that scheme (they were not home run hitters as running backs, but they were good at pass blocking and pass receiving) and it was especially designed for our quarterback who was a pocket quarterback with very little elusiveness and a history of injury from being hit.

Looking forward to the next season, I hope that they continue that kind of planning. For example, selecting an offensive lineman (a must, and probably so for more than one) in the draft or free agency who is a fit for the zone blocking scheme.

Jaleel Johnson was selected early in the fourth round and he showed some promise during the preseason. These are his "weaknesses" according to an NFL.com pre-draft bio:

Too upright at point of attack. Narrow base and elevated pad level create issues for him against double teams. Might not have the anchor necessary to operate inside a two-gap scheme. Contact balance is below average. Unable to consistently fight back against a quality down block. Is a little soft around the middle and lacking thickness through arms. Limited number of tackles for loss. Can be a little slow to recognize screen passes.

I hope a year of seasoning and weightlifting will enable him to make him worthy as a starter. It seemed that the defensive line lost some of it's pizzazz later in the season. Tom Johnson being 33 might have been a factor. Linval being such a big man may have been another. Looking at how the Eagles did so much rotating in and out of the defensive line made me think that our team needed to do that more through the season. I remember the Seahawks doing that a lot, as well. Anyway, I see a definite need to acquire another defensive tackle and defensive end. It felt like we have been so deep at that position earlier in the year. The LSU defensive end may be in a similar boat with Johnson. Here are NFL.com's draft profile (weaknesses) on Bower:

Made just seven starts over his four seasons. Saw limited reps as a pass rusher resulting in limited rush production. Three of his 5.5 sacks came in his final game in the Citrus Bowl against Louisville. Raw as a pass rusher. Needs to learn how to use hands and length to pry open the edge. Will gear down rather than explode around the edge when being redirected. Would benefit from playing faster more consistently. Scouts concerned about strength to leverage his gap. Focuses on being physical over being explosive.

It looks really similar to me in that he also needed more than seasoning, but a little of time on a professional weight lifting regimen. It's January, but those are a couple of names that could lend to beefing up our defensive line depth.

There's no question that we will be dipping into the pool of cornerbacks in free agency and probably also the draft. Newman was struggling at the end of the season with some injury and although he may try to come back again, I don't think we can count on using him as much in the future. If he is the fourth or fifth cornerback, but can't play special teams, it may be time for him to pack it up.

It would be interesting to me to hear what the strengths of the draft are. For example, last year was supposed to be a huge year for running backs in the draft. What will it be for this coming year? If it's a bad year for finding a corner in the draft, then there has to be a priority of finding one in free agency. I will be looking for that kind of information.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 1:34:23 PM   
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Too lazy to Google Sloter's first name. Heretofore, he is Tom Sloter. Steve Sloter also has a ring to it, ala Steve Stunning for those with the Sloter love.


I believe he was going by the first name Sargent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 1:36:58 PM   
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Disappointed Vikings channel energy into Pro Bowl

So we have that going for us, which is, ya know ...nice.

Actually not a bad story, once you read it ....



LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- The pain of coming so close to playing a Super Bowl at home and suffering a meltdown in the NFC Championship Game hasn't really worn off for Minnesota Vikings players. But for the ones who have taken part in Pro Bowl festivities this week, it's served as a place for healing.

"It was like two [days]," safety Harrison Smith said, from the time he had to clean out his locker to boarding a plane for Orlando. "It was a fast turnaround."

He hasn't had a chance to review the season or even think about next year.

"We haven't really gotten to that yet," Smith said. "Obviously, personally, the only thing you can really do right now is [look inward]. You can't go to practice anymore so focus on improving yourself, and when we get back together, bring it together."

"As professionals, you have to take the good and the bad and learn from both of them. So that's what we'll do. The wins -- there's always plays you could have played better, even when you win. There's normally more when you lose. So you've just gotta take both and learn from them."

It's been the same for cornerback Xavier Rhodes, who is leaning on veteran players to help him through the experience.

"That was the main reason for me coming here," said Rhodes. "The great vibe, the players -- like you can see with me and [Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver] Antonio Brown -- things like that that help you move on. Just the happiness -- everyone's been happy here. In a situation like that, a game like that, it's hard for certain players to get over it, like myself."

In Brown's rookie season, the Steelers lost to the Green Bay Packers 31-25 in Super Bowl XLV. The Steelers have been to the postseason five times since, including a 36-17 AFC championship loss to the New England Patriots last year, but haven't made it back to the title game.

Rhodes said the veterans he talked to encouraged him to enjoy the week with his family at Disney, and that's helped the healing process. Practices have been light and cheerful. He lined up one-on-one against one of the NFC coach's young sons, letting him score a touchdown before greeting him with a bear hug.

"When you have that many players who have been in that type of situation who can help you move on, that's what you want to be around," Rhodes said. "People who can help you."

Both players admitted that there are plays they wish they could have had back in a game in which they surrendered 456 yards of total offense, with 346 of those yards coming through the air.


"Man, it's every play," Rhodes said. "I wish I could not have had a toe injury -- maybe that would have made a difference. Or maybe I would never have [given] Alshon Jeffery a couple of the slants he had. Maybe I would have been in better coverage on a couple of them. I don't know. You don't know what could have changed the game. But at the end of the day, we just lost."

Smith said of plays he'd like back: "A ton of them, throughout the whole season. That's the only way to get better. You can't just be happy, like, 'Oh, we were pretty good.' That's not the mindset."

Rhodes and Smith are far from alone. The Jacksonville Jaguars have five players in the Pro Bowl after they lost the AFC Championship Game to the Patriots 24-20. The Steelers have 10 players and a coaching staff in Orlando after they lost to the Jaguars in the AFC divisional round. The New Orleans Saints have six players and a coaching staff in Orlando after they lost to the Vikings in the NFC divisional round.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 1:41:13 PM   
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Boy, this party really died.



Understatement of the year.


Hard to believe it was only a week a we were a game from the SB.


The "Minneapolis Miracle" seems like a month ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 1:45:27 PM   
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I see Tom Johnson only had two sacks for the entire season. (18 games) I don't think he was the worst player on our defense, but I really think he has to be brought back as a backup only if we re-sign him. I think Hunter played better with fewer reps a year ago and Johnson might be able to continue his career with fewer reps. I forgot about Shamar Stephen, but he played at a very high level, but got hurt before the Eagles game. I bet we missed him. I hope that he comes back 100% and if so, he deserves to be in the mix for more snaps.

I'm not sure if Brian Robison comes back and if so makes the 2018 team, but it seems to me that he deserves an invite to compete for a backup and rush package specialist for one more season. Again, the defensive line seemed to lose some of its juice at the end of the season and Robison being long in the tooth may have been a factor.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 2:09:12 PM   
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Brees to Thielen ... TD for the NFC
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 2:36:35 PM   
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Maybe it's time to start an NFL draft 2018 forum. I guess no hurry. Anyway, I looked through this site to just to get a sense for what the strengths and weaknesses of the draft are by going through a top 100 list and counting how many players at each position. This is what I found:

CB 9. QB 8. RB 13. WR 12. OT 7. OG 7, ILB 6, OLB 5 (that number is fuzzy because some players were seen as an outside rusher and an OLB both), Edge rusher 9, S 8, TE 2, 5 technique (that's a DE not seen as an edge rusher) 3, DT 1 technique (nose tackle) 4

Looking at this list, what stands out to me is that this is not a great draft for tight ends. There are a lot of running backs to be had, here. I bet a lot of them will fall to the third and fourth rounds. (not really our greatest need, though) There's a lot of quarterbacks and so there might be one that we like late in the first round, or late in the second round. Worth considering, in my opinion. We know we need an offensive tackle and there are 7 worthy of top 100 selection, which means we could likely get one in any of the first three rounds. Same can be said for nose tackle or 3 technique. The draft looks very deep in edge rushers. You know, I think we could use one, but probably not in the first round. OG looks relatively deep, too. OLB looks skinny. Only five in top 100 and teams have two on the field.

Based on this, I would say that in free agency it would be wise to pursue tight end and outside linebacker. Those are not "skill" positions so I bet they could be had for a reasonable price. The problem may be that other teams have the same idea. Regardless, I bet tight ends and outside linebackers can be found later in the draft and I'm not seeing that as a priority.

It seems that there are a lot of wide receivers worth consideration to go through. I would definitely want to draft at least one, and also it looks rather solid at cornerback, if not great.

If I was a free agent running back I would be nervous and they should be available cheap this year.

Anyway, I invite others to chime in here with your thoughts. Personally, I'm not doing a deep dive on the Super Bowl. I'm not even going to watch it. I'm looking forward to next season.

https://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2018.asp

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 2:43:56 PM   
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We need a Floyd esk type of player to put next to Joseph, I know the disappointment must be HUGE for Floyd.

Those two were becoming unstoppable, and Floyd was just a baby(in football years). Just another case of what might have been.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 2:47:34 PM   
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No centers on the list. I checked their list for the second 100 and found two there, but I'm thinking that I'm glad we picked one up last year. A quick glance of the second 100 players looks like there are a lot of defensive players that can be found here. Plenty of OLB , CB, and S to be found in the middle til late rounds.

They have a list of the third tier (300-399), but those players must be, for the most part 7th rounders and undrafted free agents. Of course this list is not the same as what the boards look for the various teams, so I'm sure there will be exceptions.

https://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2018-Page-2.asp

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 3:09:26 PM   
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Brees to Thielen ... TD for the NFC


And Harrison Smith returns one to the house. All TD's by Vikings in this first half.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 3:25:53 PM   
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We need a Floyd esk type of player to put next to Joseph, I know the disappointment must be HUGE for Floyd.

Those two were becoming unstoppable, and Floyd was just a baby(in football years). Just another case of what might have been.

"BIG MO" Maurice Hurst #73 out of Michigan looks like a penetrating DT that would look good

next to Joseph, ranked 21st as of right now in the draft. I know we pick 30th(which could

change), but he's within striking distance. So much is going to happen between now and the

draft, but I'm going to keep my eye on this guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 3:27:34 PM   
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Brees to Thielen ... TD for the NFC


And Harrison Smith returns one to the house. All TD's by Vikings in this first half.

Can't even bring myself to watch.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 3:32:35 PM   
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Brees to Thielen ... TD for the NFC


And Harrison Smith returns one to the house. All TD's by Vikings in this first half.

Can't even bring myself to watch.

Same here.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 4:13:28 PM   
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I'm watching because I still need some healing. Anyway, it seems that the Vikings are well represented.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 4:28:23 PM  1 votes
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Brees to Thielen ... TD for the NFC


And Harrison Smith returns one to the house. All TD's by Vikings in this first half.

Can't even bring myself to watch.



Watch what?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 4:37:48 PM   
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We need a Floyd esk type of player to put next to Joseph, I know the disappointment must be HUGE for Floyd.

Those two were becoming unstoppable, and Floyd was just a baby(in football years). Just another case of what might have been.



Huge loss IMO

He blew up the Seahawks OLine in that playoff game.

Quick penetrating stud UT is now probably our biggest need on defense.

Sucks really..



Tom Johnson was good in short stints.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2018 4:52:27 PM   
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Something called "Field Yates" just gave mad props to the Vikings players for great performances in the Pro Bowl. That's pretty cool. We could have just thrown in the towel on the season....but we did not! At least our best players DID NOT. They performed well. Special times. Now our home state (home city for some of us) host the Super Bowl. Skol!

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