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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/4/2018 4:21:26 PM   
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I would strongly disagree with that. Foreman in his prime would have pummeled Tyson inside of 5.


A fighting behind the jab Mike Tyson? I don't think George would have been able to hit him clean. Mike had good foot work way back in the day. George was stationary as hell, just a big ol clubber type dude.

It worked for that era. Wouldn't have against a mobile, agile and hostile dude with power.


Again, I disagree. Tyson was not much finesse. He came right at you and tried to take you out. The best Tyson comp is Joe Frazier, which is a high compliment. Tyson had the same problem Frazier and all other fighters who couldn't stick and run had with Foreman. He was just too damn big and powerful and it was very hard to hurt him. Tyson would have to trade punches with him at some point and it would have gone about as well as it went for Frazier and Ken Norton. Those are two hall of famers that Foreman knocked out 3 times in 7 total rounds.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/4/2018 4:47:56 PM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/4/2018 9:18:57 PM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/4/2018 9:22:36 PM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/4/2018 10:54:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I never watched much boxing, but I did watch that Foreman vs. Holyfield fight as well as Foreman's later win over Moorer. Those performances plus his charismatic personality make him my favorite boxer.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/5/2018 6:22:29 AM   
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I'll never forget Michael Spinks (a pretty tough guy) entering the ring against Tyson and just totally going .... OH HELL NOOOOOOOOOO.


I'll never forget Joe Frazier (one of the toughest fighters who ever lived and a Boxing Hall of Famer) entering the ring as heavy favorite against upstart George Foreman and being beaten like a rented mule. Knocked down 6 times in 2 rounds before the ref finally stepped. It should have been stopped after the second one. It's a tribute to Frazier's amazing toughness that he wobbled to his feet after every one.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/5/2018 6:42:40 AM   
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Do you know if experts have debated that mythical fight somewhere?


Isn't that what we are?

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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/17/2018 9:14:25 AM   
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Do you guys remember the Virgil Hill/Thomas Hearns fight from 1990? I remember watching it on ABC; I believe it was an afternoon fight. Since Hill was calling Grand Forks his home at the time (only an hour from my hometown of Hallock), and I met him and got his autograph right around that time, I was fully invested in that fight. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it anymore. I'm thinking it was a pretty close fight. It says Hearns won in a unanimous decision. Was it a controversial decision?

Was Virgil Hill's fame limited to North Dakota and a small pocket of NW Minnesota? He was a god where I grew up. Doesn't seem like I ever hear anything about him these days. I think he was a very underrated fighter.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/17/2018 9:41:47 AM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/17/2018 9:43:59 AM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/21/2018 2:22:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think we have a MMA thread, so forgive me. Stipe put on a clinic tonight.

Ngannou had 2 minutes of fight in him. Then, all Stipe. Some of the best takedowns I have ever seen in the HW class.

Ngannou, one of the most physically impressive cats I have ever witnessed. Stipe turned him into butter.
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/21/2018 7:35:21 AM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/21/2018 7:37:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Spence is as his nickname suggests, the truth. He's a monster. Only Terence Crawford has a chance to beat him at 147.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 1/22/2018 10:11:42 AM   
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I don't think we have a MMA thread, so forgive me. Stipe put on a clinic tonight.

Ngannou had 2 minutes of fight in him. Then, all Stipe. Some of the best takedowns I have ever seen in the HW class.

Ngannou, one of the most physically impressive cats I have ever witnessed. Stipe turned him into butter.

Isn't MMA and UFC the same thing? There's a UFC thread.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/4/2018 9:22:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Last night I watched a couple undefeated fighters match up in a title fight down in Corpus Christi. Gilberto Ramirez controlled the action and dominated Ahmed. The fight was stopped in the 6th round by Ahmed's corner. He was a punching bag for the last 3 rounds. Honestly was thinking the ref should have stopped it much earlier. He couldn't defend himself. His head snapped back violently one time. Wouldn't be surprised if he has permanent neck and head damage. Does Ramirez have any competition in his class? Dude looks dominant and is one of the finest fighters I've ever seen. I don't think he spent a split second with his back near the ropes. Anyone else see the fight last night? What do you guys think of Ramirez?

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/11/2018 7:38:51 PM   
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Last night I watched a couple undefeated fighters match up in a title fight down in Corpus Christi. Gilberto Ramirez controlled the action and dominated Ahmed. The fight was stopped in the 6th round by Ahmed's corner. He was a punching bag for the last 3 rounds. Honestly was thinking the ref should have stopped it much earlier. He couldn't defend himself. His head snapped back violently one time. Wouldn't be surprised if he has permanent neck and head damage. Does Ramirez have any competition in his class? Dude looks dominant and is one of the finest fighters I've ever seen. I don't think he spent a split second with his back near the ropes. Anyone else see the fight last night? What do you guys think of Ramirez?


I watched the fight as well. Ramirez is a good, young fighter. However, he fights around the 168/175 weight classes; there is a ton of competition there. His promoter will just have to match him

The good thing is with the exception of Badou Jack, there are no legit PBC fighters in those weight classes. So, matchmaking and negotiating shouldn't be an issue.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/11/2018 7:51:49 PM   
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I still remember how shocking that result was.
A memorable night, chocked Full of lessons.
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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/11/2018 8:14:39 PM   
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Anniversary of the Buster Douglas Miracle of 1990
I still remember how shocking that result was.
A memorable night, chocked Full of lessons.

I was 12. Boxing was just hitting its PPV stride. Mike Tyson's Punch Out was the hottest video game on the market. The result of the Buster fight only raised Tyson's profile. Punch Out remains one of the best video games ever produced.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/11/2018 8:17:15 PM   
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Last night I watched a couple undefeated fighters match up in a title fight down in Corpus Christi. Gilberto Ramirez controlled the action and dominated Ahmed. The fight was stopped in the 6th round by Ahmed's corner. He was a punching bag for the last 3 rounds. Honestly was thinking the ref should have stopped it much earlier. He couldn't defend himself. His head snapped back violently one time. Wouldn't be surprised if he has permanent neck and head damage. Does Ramirez have any competition in his class? Dude looks dominant and is one of the finest fighters I've ever seen. I don't think he spent a split second with his back near the ropes. Anyone else see the fight last night? What do you guys think of Ramirez?


I watched the fight as well. Ramirez is a good, young fighter. However, he fights around the 168/175 weight classes; there is a ton of competition there. His promoter will just have to match him

The good thing is with the exception of Badou Jack, there are no legit PBC fighters in those weight classes. So, matchmaking and negotiating shouldn't be an issue.

You, like me, are a true fan of the squared circle. I trust your takes. Wish TJsweens would continue to follow the sport, but he is now an old man and uninterested in keeping current.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/11/2018 8:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm watching a Tyson fight on ESPN2 right now. It's from one angle. An old handheld camcorder. Not televised? Fight just ended in the 1st round. Not sure who the tin can was.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/11/2018 9:00:40 PM   
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I'm watching a Tyson fight on ESPN2 right now. It's from one angle. An old handheld camcorder. Not televised? Fight just ended in the 1st round. Not sure who the tin can was.

That's how long his fights lasted.
WHEN he was focused.
Could have given any other guy in his weight class a bat during those focused days, money was still on Tyson.
He was a destroyer, not a fighter. We were fortunate he never killed anyone (in the ring)
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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/12/2018 12:12:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		People were afraid of Tyson. They were psyched out long before the fight began. Once the fear went away, mostly due to age, though Holyfield never feared him, his aura was finished. And the Mike Tyson that was left wasn't a great fighter anymore.

I wish I had gotten to see Mike Tyson with Cus D'amatto and Kevin Rooney through all of the 90s. He'd have a very different legacy. I'm not sure he would have EVER lost.

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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/23/2018 12:44:59 AM   
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He would have lost.


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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/23/2018 1:49:09 AM   
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RE: Boxing Talk - 2/23/2018 8:27:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		During the peak of Tyson's career, there was nothing in the heavyweight ranks at all. Pure garbage division. Holyfield ushered in an improved era of the heavyweight division. I said before and I will say until the day I die, the young version of George Foreman would have beat Tyson like a rented mule. Tyson was Joe Frazier with a jab. The problem for him is that Foreman had a much longer reach and was very adept at standing his opponents up and measuring them. Tyson's jab wouldn't have been effective. Like Murf said, bigger, meaner son of a bitch.

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