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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 8:18:52 AM   
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Over at Walter Football's "consensus draft", they have the Vikings with Billy Price being the most popular choice at 16%, Mike McGlinchey at 10% (will he be available?- I doubt it), and Will Hernandez at 10%.

http://www.walterfootball.com/mocks/Consensus/nfl/2018/1

Just in case, here is McGlinchey's draft profile:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mike-mcglinchey?id=2559891


Billy Price probably just tore his pectoral doing the bench press at the combine.


That's awful news. What a bad time to get hurt.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 9:10:57 AM   
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Yikes. Cross him off the list.



Maybe he/Price drops to the late second round as a result? Pick up Hurst and Price without trading up?

Sign me up.

Might be able to get Orlando Brown at #30. Only 14 reps at combine.

I would be fine with nasty Hernandez at #30.

Hernandez 37 reps, 5.14 forty

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 9:28:29 AM   
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Yikes. Cross him off the list.



Maybe he/Price drops to the late second round as a result? Pick up Hurst and Price without trading up?

Sign me up.

Might be able to get Orlando Brown at #30. Only 14 reps at combine.

I would be fine with nasty Hernandez at #30.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918651/article/ohio-state-ol-billy-price-suffers-partially-torn-pec

Looks like it's only a partial tear. Might hurt his draft stock a bit, but Price is saying he'll be fine for the start of camp.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 10:01:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Yikes. Cross him off the list.



Maybe he/Price drops to the late second round as a result? Pick up Hurst and Price without trading up?

Sign me up.

Might be able to get Orlando Brown at #30. Only 14 reps at combine.

I would be fine with nasty Hernandez at #30.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918651/article/ohio-state-ol-billy-price-suffers-partially-torn-pec

Looks like it's only a partial tear. Might hurt his draft stock a bit, but Price is saying he'll be fine for the start of camp.


Well, he's not a doctor, so I wont take his word for it. With that being said, even if it was a full tear, the recovery time is about 8-9 months. At worst, you could PUP him and then activate him later in the season.

But, regardless, because he will miss some offseason time and will be limited in training camp, he wont lift or do a bunch of overly physical things. It could end up being a redshirt type of year. But, in 2019, he probably will slay.

I'd trade down in the 1st and take him with my first 2nd rounder and think nothing of it. He's not going to drop that far from the end of the 1st.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 11:02:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Yikes. Cross him off the list.



Maybe he/Price drops to the late second round as a result? Pick up Hurst and Price without trading up?

Sign me up.

Might be able to get Orlando Brown at #30. Only 14 reps at combine.

I would be fine with nasty Hernandez at #30.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918651/article/ohio-state-ol-billy-price-suffers-partially-torn-pec

Looks like it's only a partial tear. Might hurt his draft stock a bit, but Price is saying he'll be fine for the start of camp.


Well, he's not a doctor, so I wont take his word for it. With that being said, even if it was a full tear, the recovery time is about 8-9 months. At worst, you could PUP him and then activate him later in the season.

But, regardless, because he will miss some offseason time and will be limited in training camp, he wont lift or do a bunch of overly physical things. It could end up being a redshirt type of year. But, in 2019, he probably will slay.

I'd trade down in the 1st and take him with my first 2nd rounder and think nothing of it. He's not going to drop that far from the end of the 1st.


Torn pecs don't heal themselves. If it's a tear of any substance, he is going to have to have this worked on at some point.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 1:25:57 PM   
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I haven't spent much time watching the combine, but watched the RB 40's and wow is that God awful viewing...

not just that they were slow, it really reveals how useless the 40 is...

many of them couldn't figure out how to get a good start and many stumbled their way down the track...

yawn
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 1:43:46 PM   
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I haven't spent much time watching the combine, but watched the RB 40's and wow is that God awful viewing...

not just that they were slow, it really reveals how useless the 40 is...

many of them couldn't figure out how to get a good start and many stumbled their way down the track...

yawn


That's always been my biggest problem with the 40. If you aren't good getting out of sprinter's blocks (a specific skill), the time you run is basically irrelevant.

I think that alone explains why so many guys seem to "play faster" than their 40 time.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 4:24:57 PM   
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Baker Mayfield referred to himself as Brutally Honest,
which is The Asshole’s way of saying “I’m an Asshole”

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 5:32:05 PM   
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Baker Mayfield referred to himself as Brutally Honest,
which is The Asshole’s way of saying “I’m an Asshole”

At least he admits it. I have no problem with someone stepping up and saying that. It saves the fans a lot of breath saying it for him.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 5:33:47 PM   
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I haven't spent much time watching the combine, but watched the RB 40's and wow is that God awful viewing...

not just that they were slow, it really reveals how useless the 40 is...

many of them couldn't figure out how to get a good start and many stumbled their way down the track...

yawn


That's always been my biggest problem with the 40. If you aren't good getting out of sprinter's blocks (a specific skill), the time you run is basically irrelevant.

I think that alone explains why so many guys seem to "play faster" than their 40 time.


The 40 is a silly metric. I would rather judge a guy on his three cone drill and how he moves on tape. Cook ran a 4.5, but he played much faster than that.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 5:35:25 PM   
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I like Hernandez even more now than I did before the combine. He's a real mauler inside, and he showed some movement skills today.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 5:37:19 PM   
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Orlando Brown ran the 40 in almost SIX seconds. That's Rich Eisen territory. Plus, he's bad a lazy and highly unathletic combine.

He might be there on Day 3.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 5:41:41 PM   
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Orlando Brown ran the 40 in almost SIX seconds. That's Rich Eisen territory. Plus, he's bad a lazy and highly unathletic combine.

He might be there on Day 3.


Oh, boy. He looked TERRIBLE in the drills today. He put up 225 like 17 times. My little brother benches more than that, and he's 48 years old! Maybe he plays a lot better than he tests?
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 5:59:53 PM   
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Baker Mayfield referred to himself as Brutally Honest,
which is The Asshole’s way of saying “I’m an Asshole”

At least he admits it. I have no problem with someone stepping up and saying that. It saves the fans a lot of breath saying it for him.


Charchian said that he would like him in Purple if free agency doesn't go the right way. He says that his arm is "good enough", but not great, but very accurate. He's rather short for a Pro quarterback and I believe that's the number one reason he's not projected as a top ten pick.

I don't believe others look at him as an a** hole as evidenced by what it says here:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/baker-mayfield?id=2560063

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 6:03:29 PM   
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How does he (Orlando Brown) look when he's blocking defensive ends? I think he's one of those guys who can "block out the sun", but I would want to see how he moves his feet with a pass rusher on him. Strength might be the easiest thing to correct, but not quickness. Speed doesn't matter at his position, but quickness does.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 6:04:10 PM   
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I haven't spent much time watching the combine, but watched the RB 40's and wow is that God awful viewing...

not just that they were slow, it really reveals how useless the 40 is...

many of them couldn't figure out how to get a good start and many stumbled their way down the track...

yawn


That's always been my biggest problem with the 40. If you aren't good getting out of sprinter's blocks (a specific skill), the time you run is basically irrelevant.

I think that alone explains why so many guys seem to "play faster" than their 40 time.


True, but I still like it.

These guys have eight weeks to prepare for a process that could determine their financial future. I love the guys that take it serious, prepare, learn and improve on certain skills that will be measured. Says a lot about the player that does that.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 6:20:03 PM   
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Baker Mayfield referred to himself as Brutally Honest,
which is The Asshole’s way of saying “I’m an Asshole”

At least he admits it. I have no problem with someone stepping up and saying that. It saves the fans a lot of breath saying it for him.


Charchian said that he would like him in Purple if free agency doesn't go the right way. He says that his arm is "good enough", but not great, but very accurate. He's rather short for a Pro quarterback and I believe that's the number one reason he's not projected as a top ten pick.

I don't believe others look at him as an a** hole as evidenced by what it says here:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/baker-mayfield?id=2560063



I stopped reading your link at
Height 6’1”

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 6:43:56 PM   
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One inch taller than Drew Brees.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 7:12:38 PM   
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How does he (Orlando Brown) look when he's blocking defensive ends? I think he's one of those guys who can "block out the sun", but I would want to see how he moves his feet with a pass rusher on him. Strength might be the easiest thing to correct, but not quickness. Speed doesn't matter at his position, but quickness does.


That sounds nice, but when coaches are on your ads at the combine about loafing through a drill, that's a big ass flag on its own. Put that with these heavily uninspiring workout numbers and it clearly tells me this current guy isn't the one on tape.

The underwear Olympics isn't the tell-all, but it matters. If you show your natural ass here, folks are supposed to trust in your work ethic and talent by using a high draft pick? Cmon.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 7:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I haven't spent much time watching the combine, but watched the RB 40's and wow is that God awful viewing...

not just that they were slow, it really reveals how useless the 40 is...

many of them couldn't figure out how to get a good start and many stumbled their way down the track...

yawn


That's always been my biggest problem with the 40. If you aren't good getting out of sprinter's blocks (a specific skill), the time you run is basically irrelevant.

I think that alone explains why so many guys seem to "play faster" than their 40 time.


The 40 is a silly metric. I would rather judge a guy on his three cone drill and how he moves on tape. Cook ran a 4.5, but he played much faster than that.


I think the 40 is a necessary evil. It gives a tangible standard that has been used for years.

You just used it in your example wit Cook. You stated he ran a 4.5 forty but run faster than his time. Everyone has a good idea of what that means. It’s imperfect, but it’s a commonly accepted standard that everyone knows.

Especially when evaluated in concert with the shorter runs, it gives a solid picture.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 7:46:09 PM   
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That was predictable.

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Do it before midnight and I’ll also send you my 2 minute DVD,

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/2/2018 9:21:48 PM   
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Baker Mayfield referred to himself as Brutally Honest,
which is The Asshole’s way of saying “I’m an Asshole”

At least he admits it. I have no problem with someone stepping up and saying that. It saves the fans a lot of breath saying it for him.

When Reno Hightower was an asshole he was the best qb in the history of Kern County.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/3/2018 7:47:38 AM   
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I haven't spent much time watching the combine, but watched the RB 40's and wow is that God awful viewing...

not just that they were slow, it really reveals how useless the 40 is...

many of them couldn't figure out how to get a good start and many stumbled their way down the track...

yawn


That's always been my biggest problem with the 40. If you aren't good getting out of sprinter's blocks (a specific skill), the time you run is basically irrelevant.

I think that alone explains why so many guys seem to "play faster" than their 40 time.


Most of these guys must not have run track in HS which is kind of odd.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/3/2018 7:50:55 AM   
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How does he (Orlando Brown) look when he's blocking defensive ends? I think he's one of those guys who can "block out the sun", but I would want to see how he moves his feet with a pass rusher on him. Strength might be the easiest thing to correct, but not quickness. Speed doesn't matter at his position, but quickness does.


Some of these big guys do well in college merely because they're bigger than they're opponent.

Brown has the makings of a bust.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 3/3/2018 9:19:17 AM   
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How does he (Orlando Brown) look when he's blocking defensive ends? I think he's one of those guys who can "block out the sun", but I would want to see how he moves his feet with a pass rusher on him. Strength might be the easiest thing to correct, but not quickness. Speed doesn't matter at his position, but quickness does.


Some of these big guys do well in college merely because they're bigger than they're opponent.

Brown has the makings of a bust.


To me this is the part where fans have to realize (like teams already do) these are still kids.

IMO; Brown got "senioritis", just like high school kids get. He's probably never had to be self motivated in his life. A lot of these guys have this same risk, some just hide it better.

This is a guy that lost his dad (former NFLer) when he was in high school.

I think this will knock him back a little bit, but programs will see he is a guy that will just need additional support.

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