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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 4:48:13 PM   
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Been seeing a few bus motorcades being escorted on 494 in Bloomington, to and from Winter Park I'm sure.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 6:14:44 PM   
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I am not saying Teddy is our saviour, but I have a gut feeling that they didn't play him much and benched him in the playoffs because they want people to think there is something wrong and he's 100% Ready to go.


If that is true then it's the second-most irresponsible and poor move the coaches ever did in 2017. #1 of course being starting Bradford at the Bears and leaving him in way too long after seeing he couldn't produce at an NFL level or even just protect himself.



That's almost Martyesque. 100% ready to go but Zimmer preferred the long game and figured what he'd get from fooling people would pay off better. Wow.

OMG...like teams are going to be sitting there 8 months later going...has he been ready this whole time or was it having the whole off season in...Ahhhhhh....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 6:19:13 PM   
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I guess on the other side, Zim and Teddy being as close as they are...Zim dogged Teddy to drive other team's interests down...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 6:30:09 PM   
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Zim blew it and the mass consensus to 'play the hot hand' helped it to play out.

Did all that work, obviously knew the plays and what worked against which looks, and was throwing dimes to help everything go along.

Got in late in the season, too late, in mop up and the receivers screwed him out of any chance to shake the nervousness and rust off.
This was that it factor that was to take this franchise to another level...when all the magic and momentum was there to will it along.

Yay meaningless Minneapolis miracle is all we get.

Teddy would have guided it smoother during the Divisional round and we wouldn't have even needed it. Then won in Philly and then the SB.

Stupid Zimmer!
Stupid Case!

And you guys, blech, you guys are the worst of all!

j/k...sort of

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 6:55:51 PM   
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Zim seems so reluctant to do anything but ride out positive positioning.

He seems willing enough to do things to get there but as soon as he has an edge he tries to grind it out. Whether that be game to game, or an in season philosophy.

Not getting Teddy ready was prevent D and conservative O and what Zim is.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 7:07:56 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 7:09:10 PM   
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Probably comes as a bit of a surprise that I would abandon/stick it to Case and promote Teddy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 7:11:00 PM   
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Hi, I'm Case Keenum and I like to chuck it up for grabs and get lucky on a stacked team...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 8:56:54 PM   
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Alex Smith has just been traded to the Redskins.

Cousins will hit the market.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 9:06:34 PM   
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Insane...Alex Smith was traded and signed a 4 year extension at 34.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 9:29:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Hi, I'm Case Keenum and I like to chuck it up for grabs and get lucky on a stacked team...

Teddy would throw it short.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 10:19:47 PM   
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Alex Smith has just been traded to the Redskins.

Cousins will hit the market.


Cleveland?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 10:40:53 PM   
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Ron, did Teddy throw short of the sticks a lot on 3rd down in college ?

If not, could it have been with the Vikings the way the offense was ran back then, poor OL play where he didn't feel he had enough time to go to the 1st or 2nd target, the other WRs weren't very open, he didn't trust throwing to those WRs if they were somewhat covered, the WR before the sticks was good at getting very open, or some other reason ?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/30/2018 11:11:08 PM   
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Alex Smith -Traded to Washington (WAS) from Kansas City (KC) for 2018 3rd round pick and Kendall Fuller

IMO; This move is good for us in that it appears to set Cousins free if that's the way we want to go, but it also takes away one more buyer off the market.

If the Chiefs had chosen to keep Smith, the market would be a tad hungrier.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 12:07:27 AM   
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Alex Smith -Traded to Washington (WAS) from Kansas City (KC) for 2018 3rd round pick and Kendall Fuller

IMO; This move is good for us in that it appears to set Cousins free if that's the way we want to go, but it also takes away one more buyer off the market.

If the Chiefs had chosen to keep Smith, the market would be a tad hungrier.

71M in guaranteed money.

Snyder does it again.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 12:48:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Justin Sampson

Alex Smith has just been traded to the Redskins.

Cousins will hit the market.


Cleveland?


Broncos or Jets would be my guess. With the Jags as my dark horse.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 5:54:39 AM   
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Roughly 22ml per for Smith

Plus, Skins gave up up 3rd rd pick and cb Kendall Fuller.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 6:12:59 AM   
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Apparently, the Redskins have offered Cousins a contract about a year ago averaging 12.5ml per.

Stafford's deal has him avg 27ml per

Some speculation in the past predicted Cousins could garner 30ml per if he were to hit the open market.

22ml vs 30ml is equal to being able to keep a player like Barr or letting him walk.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 8:05:36 AM   
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I'd like for the myth of 'Keenum was a 3rd-stringer' to get put to bed. He was the backup. Teddy cracked the roster once and that was after Bradford was out.


Right. I'd like to know when he was #3 on our QB depth chart.

Keenum had a great season, but came up small when it mattered most.

No need to embellish the story.


Picture this scenario: Aaron Rodgers breaks a foot in pre-season practice and it's bad enough that he's out for the year. Brett Hundley starts the season but in the third game is also injured and will not return. Then a guy named Schmoe DaToe rises in the ranks and finishes the season for the Packers.

In that scenario Schmoe DaToe is the third string quarterback.

Same as Case Keenum.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 8:10:31 AM   
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apparently several teams were 'in discussion' with the Chiefs for Smith. When Adam Shefter mentioned the QB needy teams who MIGHT be interested, he said the list included 2 playoff teams - the Vikes and Jags.

Pure speculation but I thought the perception was interesting. IMO both Teddy and or Bradford are looking at team-friendly short-term prove-it deals with no certainty of being the designated starter, from us or they walk. Any FA QB interest or action from the team would only relate to Keenum. As in, he's nothing but a fall back.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 9:00:21 AM   
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Apparently, the Redskins have offered Cousins a contract about a year ago averaging 12.5ml per.

Stafford's deal has him avg 27ml per

Some speculation in the past predicted Cousins could garner 30ml per if he were to hit the open market.

22ml vs 30ml is equal to being able to keep a player like Barr or letting him walk.


I've got to assume this is a typo. 12.5M doesn't represent a relistic contract for him. I'm certain you meant 22.5M?

IMO good to great QBs are still underpaid. They make everyone around them better. They cover up weaknesses- this makes them a better value.

Look at the QBs getting 20M and under and compare them to the ones making more- there is a huge difference.

The only real undecided issue is whether Cousins really is an upper elcheon QB or not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 9:37:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Apparently, the Redskins have offered Cousins a contract about a year ago averaging 12.5ml per.

Stafford's deal has him avg 27ml per

Some speculation in the past predicted Cousins could garner 30ml per if he were to hit the open market.

22ml vs 30ml is equal to being able to keep a player like Barr or letting him walk.


I've got to assume this is a typo. 12.5M doesn't represent a relistic contract for him. I'm certain you meant 22.5M?

IMO good to great QBs are still underpaid. They make everyone around them better. They cover up weaknesses- this makes them a better value.

Look at the QBs getting 20M and under and compare them to the ones making more- there is a huge difference.

The only real undecided issue is whether Cousins really is an upper elcheon QB or not.


True, imagine if there was no salary cap in football. Guys like Brees, Brady, and Rodgers would get contracts that would make baseball contracts look small.

As far as the Vikings QB situation goes, we all have our opinions and we will all find out at the same time how it works out.

IMO the least risky idea is to franchise Case for a year and sign Teddy at backup money and let the best man win.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 9:59:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I'd like for the myth of 'Keenum was a 3rd-stringer' to get put to bed. He was the backup. Teddy cracked the roster once and that was after Bradford was out.


Right. I'd like to know when he was #3 on our QB depth chart.

Keenum had a great season, but came up small when it mattered most.

No need to embellish the story.


Picture this scenario: Aaron Rodgers breaks a foot in pre-season practice and it's bad enough that he's out for the year. Brett Hundley starts the season but in the third game is also injured and will not return. Then a guy named Schmoe DaToe rises in the ranks and finishes the season for the Packers.

In that scenario Schmoe DaToe is the third string quarterback.

Same as Case Keenum.

Except that, in this case, the injury happened during the previous season. Case was brought in to backup Sam. I don't think there was any expectation, beyond a hope, that Teddy would play this year. As in, they were certainly not counting on him playing, which is why they signed Case.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 10:01:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 69in09

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Apparently, the Redskins have offered Cousins a contract about a year ago averaging 12.5ml per.

Stafford's deal has him avg 27ml per

Some speculation in the past predicted Cousins could garner 30ml per if he were to hit the open market.

22ml vs 30ml is equal to being able to keep a player like Barr or letting him walk.


I've got to assume this is a typo. 12.5M doesn't represent a relistic contract for him. I'm certain you meant 22.5M?

IMO good to great QBs are still underpaid. They make everyone around them better. They cover up weaknesses- this makes them a better value.

Look at the QBs getting 20M and under and compare them to the ones making more- there is a huge difference.

The only real undecided issue is whether Cousins really is an upper elcheon QB or not.


Yo. To this point Cousins has not made the players around him better to the point of a single playoff win. At 29, you can even argue he may be on the downside of his career as his last 2 seasons have trended downward a bit from his career best 2015.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 10:01:26 AM   
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I'm putting my vote for Case. I saw a lot of good things from him this year. I'm rooting for Teddy but he's too big of a risk to pin our hopes on, especially given how close we are.
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