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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/26/2018 5:37:24 PM   
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Yep, I have the dread feeling that we gave up LaVine, Dunn and Markkanen for a 2 year rental of Butler.


It actually made sense for Chicago. They knew they weren't going to be a factor for a couple of years. So rent out Butler, let someone else take on his salary for a while, accumulate and develop other pieces, then bring him back.



They may not want him back by time Thibodeau is done with him.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/26/2018 5:38:36 PM   
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Yep, I have the dread feeling that we gave up LaVine, Dunn and Markkanen for a 2 year rental of Butler.


It actually made sense for Chicago. They knew they weren't going to be a factor for a couple of years. So rent out Butler, let someone else take on his salary for a while, accumulate and develop other pieces, then bring him back.



They may not want him back by time Thibodeau is done with him.


My guess is he "Wades" it at the end of his career and plays his last year or two for the Bulls before retiring.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/26/2018 5:45:25 PM   
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Yep, I have the dread feeling that we gave up LaVine, Dunn and Markkanen for a 2 year rental of Butler.


It actually made sense for Chicago. They knew they weren't going to be a factor for a couple of years. So rent out Butler, let someone else take on his salary for a while, accumulate and develop other pieces, then bring him back.



They may not want him back by time Thibodeau is done with him.


My guess is he "Wades" it at the end of his career and plays his last year or two for the Bulls before retiring.



Hopefully his knees work after next season.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 6:32:02 AM  1 votes
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Twolves future went from bright to pitch black.

Thib's simply is in over his head and we now are stuck with him.

I find this team very hard to watch.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 8:34:41 AM   
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Twolves future went from bright to pitch black.

Thib's simply is in over his head and we now are stuck with him.

I find this team very hard to watch.

Flip had us building a team for a championship with a bunch of up and coming players. Now Thibs as transformed us over night into a perennial eighth seed team. We have a bunch of declining veterans who are over paid and ch0ke of the ability to bring in younger talent and prevent u from signing our younger talent. We have a coaching staff that is stuck in yesterday's ball and do what other teams doand not designing the game to fit the talent on his team. Morale is low and going to get worse. The only real hope is to fire the clowns that are running the show. Even hiring top tier consultants doesn't lead to a great team. I don't think Grappa has it in him to can the front office, but without it he has locked himself into a decade of eighth seed ball, like so many teams have settled for.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 8:37:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Twolves future went from bright to pitch black.

Thib's simply is in over his head and we now are stuck with him.

I find this team very hard to watch.

Flip had us building a team for a championship with a bunch of up and coming players. Now Thibs as transformed us over night into a perennial eighth seed team. We have a bunch of declining veterans who are over paid and ch0ke of the ability to bring in younger talent and prevent u from signing our younger talent. We have a coaching staff that is stuck in yesterday's ball and do what other teams doand not designing the game to fit the talent on his team. Morale is low and going to get worse. The only real hope is to fire the clowns that are running the show. Even hiring top tier consultants doesn't lead to a great team. I don't think Grappa has it in him to can the front office, but without it he has locked himself into a decade of eighth seed ball, like so many teams have settled for.


The only reason they were an 8th seed is that Butler was hurt so many games. Get Butler healthy, find a Draymond Green glue type player and another guy that can D and shoot the 3 and we are in good shape.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 9:53:03 AM   
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The only reason they were an 8th seed is that Butler was hurt so many games. Get Butler healthy,


The Butler injury sucked, but he's going to miss 15-20 games every year. That's who he is. That wasn't a fluke.

Curry, Paul, Gobert, Leonard and Cousins all missed more games than Jimmy, and their teams all finished ahead of us.

We had 3 guys start every game this year. 7 of our Top 10 guys played at least 79. I'd say we were extremely lucky with injuries. Our 5 starters played 150 more minutes together than the next highest 5 man group in the league (and 330(!) more than 3rd place).

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find a Draymond Green glue type player


Just find a DPOTY/All-NBA type talent...

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and another guy that can D and shoot the 3 and we are in good shape.


Every team is looking for that guy. ..
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 9:58:30 AM   
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The only reason they were an 8th seed is that Butler was hurt so many games. Get Butler healthy,


The Butler injury sucked, but he's going to miss 15-20 games every year. That's who he is. That wasn't a fluke.

Curry, Paul, Gobert, Leonard and Cousins all missed more games than Jimmy, and their teams all finished ahead of us.

We had 3 guys start every game this year. 7 of our Top 10 guys played at least 79. I'd say we were extremely lucky with injuries. Our 5 starters played 150 more minutes together than the next highest 5 man group in the league (and 330(!) more than 3rd place).

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find a Draymond Green glue type player


Just find a DPOTY/All-NBA type talent...

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and another guy that can D and shoot the 3 and we are in good shape.


Every team is looking for that guy. ..


I was being sarcastic DL....hard to always show....

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 10:11:15 AM   
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I just thought you had your "Phil Glasses" on this morning...
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 10:19:51 AM   
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From Danny Leroux's offseason piece on the Wolves:

Potential targets: Minnesota has plenty of shot creators but desperately needs floor spacing in both the starting lineup and bench units. It is probably too much to ask to find someone who can also defend for the mid-level since those players are so scarce, but there could still be some interesting candidates. Wayne Ellington would be close to ideal but will likely get superior offers so the Timberwolves will be looking at more limited shooters, like Joe Harris and Mike Scott, depending on what position they think makes the most sense. San Antonio can be a hard team to read but an offer sheet for forward Davis Bertans or guard Bryn Forbes also has some potential, especially since Bertans could fit in lineups with Minnesota’s key players. The challenge going after restricted free agents is that the process does not start until a week into July and the prior team can wait a few days and match, leaving the offering franchise with scraps on the market. Those logistical issues could make unrestricted free agents like Harris more desirable or simply keeping Bjelica if his market is tepid.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 5:23:46 PM   
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Eric in Madison responding to a question about Glen not being happy:

A few things. There have been a couple of interviews, one in the Mankato paper, another somewhere else, with less than ringing endorsements.

Also…sometimes I hear things. It’s not good. He does not like Thibs at all.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 5:47:57 PM   
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Eric in Madison responding to a question about Glen not being happy:

A few things. There have been a couple of interviews, one in the Mankato paper, another somewhere else, with less than ringing endorsements.

Also…sometimes I hear things. It’s not good. He does not like Thibs at all.




That's encouraging.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/27/2018 6:27:20 PM   
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He does not like Thibs at all.


Me either!

Still hard to see him not giving Thib one more season
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/28/2018 8:44:53 AM   
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He does not like Thibs at all.


Me either!

Still hard to see him not giving Thib one more season


Glen doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done.

At the end of the day Glen likes money more than winning.

Not sure why at this point. He can't take his money with him.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/28/2018 9:48:21 AM   
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He does not like Thibs at all.


Me either!

Still hard to see him not giving Thib one more season


Glen doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done.

At the end of the day Glen likes money more than winning.

Not sure why at this point. He can't take his money with him.

His wife wants it.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/30/2018 2:18:25 PM   
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Get ready for much more Butler at the 4 and Rose as part of his 2 PG line-up next year.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 4/30/2018 2:23:28 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/1/2018 12:18:39 PM   
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Can't remember if I posted this here or not, but at some point this season Taylor tried to set up a meeting with Thibs, but Thibs said he couldn't fit him in....while offering no alternative time. Sorry, just too busy, boss......
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/1/2018 1:30:39 PM   
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Dane Moore@DaneMooreNBA
When asked if he will try and sign Derrick Rose, Tom Thibodeau responded, "We thought Derrick was a terrific addition for us. Obviously he's a free agent, so we'll address that down the road. But I thought he was playing very well for us."
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/1/2018 2:19:32 PM   
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Dane Moore@DaneMooreNBA
When asked if he will try and sign Derrick Rose, Tom Thibodeau responded, "We thought Derrick was a terrific addition for us. Obviously he's a free agent, so we'll address that down the road. But I thought he was playing very well for us."



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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/1/2018 2:37:22 PM   
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Can't remember if I posted this here or not, but at some point this season Taylor tried to set up a meeting with Thibs, but Thibs said he couldn't fit him in....while offering no alternative time. Sorry, just too busy, boss......


Where did you hear this? If true, it doesn't bode well. It will be like the olden days of Flip letting the inmates run the asylum.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:28:19 PM   
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Yeah, in 2,308 minutes that Jamal sat out they had a 105.2 defensive rating which would rank 12th in the league. In the 1,653 he played it was 112.9. Suns had worst D in NBA at 110.6.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:31:48 PM   
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Allegedly he's opting out
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:35:12 PM   
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Maybe Jimmy is trying to get him a raise...

Jon Krawczynski@JonKrawczynski
League sources tell @TheAthleticMIN that Jamal Crawford is declining his player option for next season with Wolves. (@ChrisBHaynes first)

Chris Haynes✔@ChrisBHaynes
Jimmy Butler has stressed to management that he wants Crawford to remain in Minnesota, sources say.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:42:39 PM   
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Big surprise that Crawford is opting out...sure helps our cap situation.

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